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Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
I will open this meeting today on July 1 01:30PM for the budget workshop.
Bill Winfield:
Those in attendance are commissioner Hedin, commissioner McCurdy, commissioner Martinez, and myself, commissioner Winfield with I see commissioner McGann online, I believe.
Bill Winfield:
D o you see Jacques on there?
Bill Winfield:
And commissioner McCandless.
Bill Winfield:
So we are absent commissioner Hadler.
Bill Winfield:
And so I will let you start this off, Gabe.
Trish Hedin:
Thanks, Jarvis.
Trish Hedin:
Have some material to present this in the packet, know, I'd say roughly 30 or so of that, if that much, maybe not that much even.
Trish Hedin:
Should I start off with that and then we will go into the presentations that are contemplated or?
Trish Hedin:
Sure.
Trish Hedin:
Oh, great.
Trish Hedin:
Share
Jon Kovash, public comment:
My screen here.
Trish Hedin:
I did just have a.
Trish Hedin:
I just text the.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
I need to share screen.
Bill Winfield:
Oh, sorry.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
They're on.
Trish Hedin:
And which document is this?
Trish Hedin:
Unless it's a tentative budget.
Gabe Woytek:
We're gonna start with 2025 revenue projection.
Gabe Woytek:
And I'll have Steven Vowles, our finance diRector, to come in and give an overview of The projection method that's entered into the current budget that was approved for the beginning of twenty twenty five.
Gabe Woytek:
And then we have an update that's in bolded at the bottom of this document just showing what we have currently entered into the tentative amendment.
Gabe Woytek:
But it's important to give a little bit of a background to the current that we're using and sort of what, you know, just the numbers in general, just so we can try our best to avoid confusion.
Gabe Woytek:
Go ahead, Steve.
Steven Vowles:
Steven Valens, Finance Officer.
Steven Vowles:
I think it's important to just take a few minutes to talk about our forecast ing methods, because some of the metrics we're throwing out I think are maybe not completely understood, that was our question already.
Pete Gross, public comment:
No, no, okay, just click on that.
Steven Vowles:
You know, because a big part of this budget amendment is based on the revenue income that we're Receiving so far today.
Steven Vowles:
So I wanna describe two of the metrics that we've been talking about.
Steven Vowles:
First of all, we've talked about a budget to actual variance minus 6%, so this metric really is to measure how much we plan to receive this year against how much we've actually received this year.
Steven Vowles:
Some people are taking that to interpret that directly to our forecast for the remainder of the year, they are completely different, like a lot of financial metrics, know, they're meant for a reason.
Steven Vowles:
Now, so let me give you some background, we came up with our forecast last December seventeenth to enter it into the 2025 budget, that was using November's sales tax Receipts, so that the most current data we
Pete Gross, public comment:
Had available when we created the '25
Steven Vowles:
Budget was November year end metrics.
Brian Martinez:
Are those the numbers from November or are those considered the numbers from September forward?
Steven Vowles:
The number I say tax Receipts is always what we received that month, which really is two months.
Brian Martinez:
Two months behind, so we're talking September previous.
Brian Martinez:
Right.
Steven Vowles:
Okay, got it.
Steven Vowles:
So we used November's numbers to come up with a '25 forecast and then we just basically, that became a baseline, we just took that stamp and I converted it into monthly, you know, revenue that we should receive, so it was a guess, I mean this is what a forecast is, right, a guess, and it was even using some older numbers.
Steven Vowles:
So, when we say we're 6% below on our revenue income, that just means it's against the guess that we, or the estimate that we entered in the budget.
Steven Vowles:
But it still is minus six, that's just math, we are six below 6.1% below what we expected to get.
Steven Vowles:
Now let's talk about the forecast , and
Bill Winfield:
This is what this is,
Steven Vowles:
What I used to do forecast ing, I think it's important for all of us to see what this is, And this is an industry best practice, or I shouldn't say best, I'll say a leading practice, common practice.
Steven Vowles:
I first start by taking the four buckets of tax revenue received, and I accumulate those buckets in the most current twelve month ending period, so for example, this is June 25, so for twenty twenty two's bucket, that's going to be all tax Receipts, non property tax, let's talk to sales, all taxes from July 2021 through June 2022, same twelve months for '23, 2425, and that's what that first table is, it's the tax Receipts by year for the twelve months ending.
Steven Vowles:
And the reason we want to use twelve months moving forecast s like that, is it smooths out the peaks and valleys, as you guys know, depending on what month to look at, I mean it could be up or down, I mean it could vary wildly, so by doing the twelve month moving totals, it smooths out the peaks and valleys of our data.
Steven Vowles:
So step one, right there, can already see, let's just look at it, for 2022, TRT brought in 9,000,000, 12/2019, and then to 2023, 07/3012.
Steven Vowles:
But those are twelve months of TRT taxes, all ending in June.
Steven Vowles:
So that's the first step, there's just the numbers, then
Bill Winfield:
I come down and I
Steven Vowles:
Just do the average.
Steven Vowles:
TRT from '22 to '23, it dropped 12%, as you can see in the table below, the 2023% chain minus 12, so it's just simple math, it means TRT of 7,900,000.0 minus 2022 divided by '22, it's just the net difference divided by the oldest year gives you the percent change.
Steven Vowles:
So the second chart, there's just the top chart we're looking at, that's just totals, twelve month totals, then down a little bit, that is the percent change from year to year by tax category, you know, sweeping right here you can see TRT, with down 4%, it went up 5%, went down three percent, for those three years.
Steven Vowles:
Now so my estimating model says, well I'm going to take the average of those three years to figure out or to estimate what the current year is going to be.
Steven Vowles:
So TRT in the highlight average three year change, minus 3.3, it's just the average of those three numbers.
Steven Vowles:
Science, art, you you call it what you like, it's this simple, it's just that average and so if I had to estimate what's going to happen for the remainder of this year for TRT, using just this forecast ing model, I say we're going go down 3.3%, There's no economic value in what I'm trying to do, there's no political value in what I'm trying to do, it's just simple math.
Steven Vowles:
And then that bar column that takes all of the different taxes, you can see the average three year, TRT minus 3.3, restaurant up 3.9, one up from sales and county option, 1.2 for hospital, minus 4.3 for car rental, the total average minus 1.5, that's the simple average, Brian you've asked about this before, if I do the weighted average it's really close, it's about 1.3, but I use the simple average here, that simple total average is used for nothing, other than to communicate how overall taxes are going, it's my forecast tax, I do it by the line level, I never just take minus 1.5 and calculate that forecast , so that total average is really just for us to communicate, you know, what our tax is down.
Steven Vowles:
So, the minus 6%, that's just what we've achieved so far this year, that's kind of just a fact of the matter, you know, or for this year, but this is the forecast ing model.
Steven Vowles:
Now, there is another option to do forecast ing, instead of doing a three year twelve month moving total average, you could just look at year over year.
Steven Vowles:
If we look at year over year, and I'll just point it out, instead of doing this average, we could just look at what's happened right now.
Steven Vowles:
So, in that case, we'd say TRT is, year over year, and it was just down 2.9%.
Steven Vowles:
Up 8.8%, you know, down the line, but the average there is a little bit worse, but year over year, it's minus 3.1%.
Steven Vowles:
So if we use a one year over year average, our revenue forecast could be slightly lower.
Steven Vowles:
So, I think we have, well let's go down to the next chart, now I want to just talk about three possible options we have available for amending the budget today, and it's up to you guys, cause all of these numbers are good, we could, actually let's talk through it, we could just say we're minus 6% below our income compared to our target, if the rest of the year happens just like it does right now, it'd be fair to say we might be 6% under by the end of the year.
Steven Vowles:
There's one option, minus six, that's the most aggressive, I guess, or the worst case scenario.
Steven Vowles:
If we use a year over year forecast , we could assume that it's going to be minus 3.1% for the rest of this year.
Steven Vowles:
If we use the three year average, we are smoothing out all of the peaks and valleys, but it also goes back in history a little bit, maybe three years ago, doesn't matter, maybe it's too far in the past, but that would look at a minus one point So we started the budget year using the minus 1.5, the three year total, which we could argue, hey we've missed that a little bit more than we thought, maybe that's not as good of a measure or a method to use, So, we have three options here as we go into this budget amendment, worst case, minus 6.1% because that's what we've achieved so far, or a one year average, just year over year, that's about a minus 3%, or the three year average of a minus 1.1.
Steven Vowles:
Just food for thought for our exercise.
Bill Winfield:
So I have a question, when you say worst case scenario of six point, I know those numbers have been flipping around a little bit, but say, let's use the 6.6, which is what I think it is.
Bill Winfield:
That's been trending down this year.
Bill Winfield:
It didn't start out at a negative 6.6%.
Bill Winfield:
It's been trending down.
Bill Winfield:
So worst case is we could continue trending negatively further
Steven Vowles:
Would be worst case.
Steven Vowles:
Yeah, I'm using a forecast so it's all a crystal ball, but if you're doing the math that we've had to date, it is important to say we have not, we've been under the entire year.
Steven Vowles:
I mean we've been negative in o ur budget to actual variance, we've been under the whole time.
Steven Vowles:
So yes, we have not performed even up to our estimation.
Gabe Woytek:
So to follow-up, thank you, Stephen.
Gabe Woytek:
So to follow-up on that year to date, because this is the bottom of this document in bold, year to date actuals for these across these sales and use tax revenues is 6,400,000.0.
Gabe Woytek:
The projection method that we used to enter in our projections for this year would have had us at 6,800,000.0 at this point.
Gabe Woytek:
So that difference is 406,000 or negative 6.1%.
Gabe Woytek:
And so that negative 6.1 is the metric that's currently being used in the tentative amendment budget that's presented in the packet.
Gabe Woytek:
And so in the simplest terms, as Stephen has said, this assumes we'll end the year 6.1% below what that original budget projection was.
Gabe Woytek:
And so that's kind of currently what we're, you know, what's entered.
Gabe Woytek:
I would say that there needs to be any other discussion about that.
Gabe Woytek:
Otherwise, can move on with that assumption.
Mike McCurdy:
Quick question, at the upper graph.
Mike McCurdy:
Yep, or if you roll it u p just a little bit there.
Mike McCurdy:
Twenty twenty three percent change was 12 or is 12% down.
Mike McCurdy:
Now does the the 2024 percent change, 4.9%, base its numbers off of t he previous year.
Mike McCurdy:
So we'd still be I mean, 5%.
Mike McCurdy:
We'd still be 6% down from 2022 numbers there, or does it like, the 2024% change, what's the base number that it was run off of, was it the previous year?
Steven Vowles:
Yeah, so go back up again, go up again, that's why it's important to understand these, let's just look at TRT, the twelve month ending period, June 2022, and its prior twelve months was 9,000,000, roughly, in that same period for the following year, July 2022 to June 2023 was 7.9, so a difference between those two, so it jumps from bucket to bucket, that percent change just goes from that twelve month period to twelve month period to twelve month period.
Mike McCurdy:
I just wanted the point in my head to be like, we were 12% down and we were up the next year, We were just less down.
Mike McCurdy:
Those are the numbers.
Mike McCurdy:
Yeah.
Brian Martinez:
Four year Recession.
Trish Hedin:
Then.
Trish Hedin:
Well, but 2022 is coming off at '21, which was the post COVID year, which we all agreed that was this like explosive year, we we all to me an outlier.
Steven Vowles:
And I put starting in but if you look at the numbers starting in 2022, we start to level that big drop and the peak was at the end of 2021, so 2022 is kind of…
Trish Hedin:
Yeah.
Trish Hedin:
Yeah.
Trish Hedin:
Exactly.
Trish Hedin:
I agree with you.
Trish Hedin:
Yeah.
Trish Hedin:
So I mean to me yeah.
Trish Hedin:
I agree with you.
Trish Hedin:
I guess to me 2022 is still that reaction.
Steven Vowles:
Still a…
Trish Hedin:
Reaction from…
Trish Hedin:
Yeah.
Trish Hedin:
Maybe I didn't make that clear.
Trish Hedin:
Okay.
Trish Hedin:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
And then, Steve, I'd like to just add that I know Commissioner Hadler has joined us on Zoom.
Bill Winfield:
So just letting the public and people know that he's with us as well.
Bill Winfield:
And then I believe the county attorney wanted to say something.
Stephen Stocks:
Just to make sure everything's as clear as it can be.
Stephen Stocks:
In the beginning, you explained that we had our projection originally.
Stephen Stocks:
And then that percentage, basically our 3.1% is the reduction from what our estimate was.
Stephen Stocks:
Right?
Stephen Stocks:
Good so far?
Steven Vowles:
Yes.
Steven Vowles:
Okay.
Stephen Stocks:
Then on this document, that doesn't we're not looking at any of the forecast from last year.
Steven Vowles:
I update that forecast each monthly.
Steven Vowles:
So the forecast we made in December is history.
Stephen Stocks:
Okay.
Stephen Stocks:
I'm just I'm just making sure for for everybody that's trying to follow along on online.
Stephen Stocks:
Are these numbers are independent of that.
Steven Vowles:
That right.
Stephen Stocks:
That amount.
Stephen Stocks:
That's all.
Steven Vowles:
Like most forecast s, They're as good as the following day .
Steven Vowles:
and then you throw them out
Stephen Stocks:
Just didn't want anybody to try to figure out what our previous number was and then try to guess that number and then try to apply it to this because it doesn't apply to this.
Bill Winfield:
I do want to jump on what Gabe said, it's important to note
Steven Vowles:
That I said there's three options, the 6.1 option or the 1.5 or the 3.1, the budget amendment that's posted online is what I consider the worst case, the minus 6.1.
Steven Vowles:
And I was hearing from the commissioners, we still change it, but I was hearing like, we need to address this aggressively and not try to be optimistic, so the amendment is a minus, assuming we're going to be minus 6.1% in revenue collection at the end of the year.
Brian Martinez:
And so just a question on that, so just using a round number of our revenue at about like 22,000,000, it's kind of what we came up with the last meeting.
Brian Martinez:
So, in between the 3.1 and the 6.1, we're looking at reduction there anywhere between 770,000 to one point million.
Brian Martinez:
Yes, I just make sure that I understand that correctly.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay, I'm going to touch base here because with this with this updated end of year projection that's entered into this tentative amendment that that brings some updated numbers with regards to the different revenue projection lines, including one of the larger ones here, is the which is TRT mitigation and how some of that money is allocated as a general fund offset.
Gabe Woytek:
So, it's particularly relevant to this conversation.
Gabe Woytek:
And so, starting with this yellow shaded box here, this is basically the amended projections that are currently entered into the tentative budget.
Gabe Woytek:
And so the the total amended projection go from it goes from 8,000,071, which is what what is we started off the year at to 7,000,584.
Gabe Woytek:
Now that 7,000,584 there that that's been updated.
Gabe Woytek:
That's that that takes into account how we performed against projections up to up to this point.
Gabe Woytek:
What we also need to do is run that run that projection through changes that are effectuated by the by House Bill four hundred fifty six four fifty six.
Gabe Woytek:
That's up up here in green.
Gabe Woytek:
So there's some calculations.
Gabe Woytek:
The final quarter of the year, there's an extra quarter percent that is will be levied.
Gabe Woytek:
So that that's $7,000,005.84 with HB four fifty six enacted goes up to $7,000,006.96.
Gabe Woytek:
And then that so that total raw number then gets then then goes through a whole process of of getting split up based on the split as it was, as it existed in the first half of the year and as it exists in the second half of the year, as well as the extra quarter percent that goes effective in the final quarter.
Gabe Woytek:
And so what we come out to is an updated projection of TRT mitigation Receipts of $4,000,005.76.
Gabe Woytek:
And when you compare that to what had been originally entered into the budget and or allocations to Recipient entities, whether it's the general fund or not, at the beginning of the year, there was an expected amount of 5,000,084.
Gabe Woytek:
And with the with this updated projection and with House Bill four fifty six taken into account that that goes down to $4,000,005.76 that that difference being $508,099.08 $5 is what we expect to come under our original projection.
Brian Martinez:
Question on the calculation between sevenone and tenone right there.
Brian Martinez:
It looks like you used 44% for that.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay, let's see.
Gabe Woytek:
For them on the mitigation here?
Brian Martinez:
No, just on the total tape, right?
Brian Martinez:
Because when I looked at HB four fifty six, it's the first 2% of the tax rate.
Brian Martinez:
So from sevenone to tenone, 2% of 4.25 since we're not collecting that 4.5 until October.
Brian Martinez:
Are you following me?
Brian Martinez:
Right, so it should be instead of hold on, you take two divided by hold on, 4.25 and that beginning or that percentage from July 1 through October 1 should be 4753%, I think.
Brian Martinez:
I think you have it here as 4466%, is that right?
Brian Martinez:
56 Does that mean?
Brian Martinez:
I see.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah, have it at 4.5, but since we're not collecting the half percent at that in that time period, it still states in four fifty six it's the first 2% of the tax rate.
Brian Martinez:
It doesn't say the first 2% of the four and a half percent.
Brian Martinez:
So I just wanted to make sure that we update that update that right there so that it's think it's going to shift the numbers just a little bit there.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay, thank you.
Gabe Woytek:
I will absolutely update that.
Bill Winfield:
I Would also wonder, and as we aren't collecting our taxes, at least they're on a two month lag, we're really not going to see this, any of this revenue increase until December, correct?
Bill Winfield:
If it starts the fourth quarter, we would not see any actual increase in revenue of December.
Bill Winfield:
It gets accrued back in.
Bill Winfield:
So those collections that we make at '26 will get put back in the.
Gabe Woytek:
Thank you.
Gabe Woytek:
Good question.
Gabe Woytek:
Alright.
Gabe Woytek:
So that that's the notes that
Bill Winfield:
I wanted to present as far
Gabe Woytek:
As the revenues.
Gabe Woytek:
Next, we'll move on to the budget workshop after this called budget workshop seven one.
Gabe Woytek:
And I'll try to kinda get through this document.
Gabe Woytek:
So this first page is a a summary of all of the lines that were amended in the in the in the entire budget document that are highlighted yellow in the in the larger, you know, few dozen page budget document.
Gabe Woytek:
So this kind of pulls all the all the lines that were changed and summarizes them.
Gabe Woytek:
I could go through these now.
Gabe Woytek:
I could I I could maybe touch on them now.
Gabe Woytek:
I could touch on them when we open the public hearing later.
Gabe Woytek:
I guess I'm not sure how we I just want to be cognizant of folks here that, you know, the presentations that might need to happen, and I don't want to gobble up too much time.
Gabe Woytek:
And I want to make sure, you know, I do want to touch on this eventually.
Gabe Woytek:
Is there any, should I run through these quickly?
Bill Winfield:
Yeah, I would take it.
Gabe Woytek:
Alright, so we have, again, Steven mentioned that negative 6.1%, that's the average decrease relative to projections.
Gabe Woytek:
But each line has been reduced based on how it is actually performing relative to projections.
Gabe Woytek:
And so it might not be negative 6.1%, but it is exactly what we projected each individual line out to be.
Brian Martinez:
Okay, I'll just clarify that real quick.
Brian Martinez:
So, like, let's look at the TRT.
Brian Martinez:
TRT was down like 8%, I think.
Brian Martinez:
So, then are you saying that you took 8% off the TRT or did you stick with the 6%?
Steven Vowles:
Let me clarify, in this case it is minus 6.1% across all tax categories.
Steven Vowles:
Okay, thank you.
Steven Vowles:
Before I was doing it by the individual, that's why I just wanted to inform, but by now this is just
Gabe Woytek:
Six across.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay, thanks.
Gabe Woytek:
I needed that clarification myself, obviously.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay.
Gabe Woytek:
So we've got some revenue updates here that are proposed to be amended.
Gabe Woytek:
A decrease in sales and use tax and county quarter percent sales tax.
Gabe Woytek:
There are some other revenue lines that I amended upwards in terms of revenue if our year to date Receipts have come in already up to now over what we initially budgeted.
Gabe Woytek:
That applies to the state search and rescue, Grant County Sheriff's Office, Homeland Security, overtime reimbursement, jail bail forfeiture grants.
Gabe Woytek:
That's money that has already been received above budget.
Gabe Woytek:
I'll go ahead and amend up there.
Gabe Woytek:
The Recreation Special Service District has contributed $130,000 for projects that have been completed at OSTA versus 100 is what we had predicted in building the budget initially.
Gabe Woytek:
So that's been moved up.
Gabe Woytek:
Miscellaneous revenue, that's a line that is used for some grant Receipts in our intergovernmental category.
Gabe Woytek:
And so oftentimes grants come up throughout the year that we can't always predict.
Gabe Woytek:
And so oftentimes that revenue comes in a lot higher than what we originally budget for.
Gabe Woytek:
This number contribution general fund surplus.
Gabe Woytek:
So this is important for the conversation to come.
Gabe Woytek:
We had originally budgeted to pull 1,100,000.0 out of the general fund surplus to create a balanced budget.
Gabe Woytek:
And that is operating under the assumption that there's a historical underspend, which is kind of rung through year over year.
Gabe Woytek:
And that that pull from the fund balance would isn't actually expected to actually occur.
Gabe Woytek:
And we'll touch base on where we sit with that.
Gabe Woytek:
Essentially, I have a high degree of confidence that we're already set to underspend by that amount.
Gabe Woytek:
However, with increase in some unplanned expenses and decreases in revenue, our current the current proposed amendment calls for a pull of 1,970,000.00 from the fund balance to balance the budget.
Gabe Woytek:
So basically, the main thing I wanna say is this 1,970,000.00, it's not it's not just adding 800 to this to what we originally budgeted in the red for.
Gabe Woytek:
This this essentially I I have a high degree of confidence that we we we were already running balanced without this draw from the fund balance.
Gabe Woytek:
However, with our new realities throughout this year, 1.9 is the current is the current amount that would be needed to fulfill all of originally budgeted expenses.
Gabe Woytek:
Professional services is an expense line and and
Jacques Hadler:
Hey, Gabe.
Jacques Hadler:
Yes.
Jacques Hadler:
Is that does that come from both the capital the the capital projects and the general fund then?
Gabe Woytek:
No.
Gabe Woytek:
That's just general funds.
Jacques Hadler:
Just general.
Jacques Hadler:
Okay.
Jacques Hadler:
That's exclusive of of things like the, like the OSTA gSTA ates, etcetera?
Gabe Woytek:
correct.
Gabe Woytek:
Yeah.
Gabe Woytek:
Include doesn't include the CJC or the O gates.
Gabe Woytek:
Yep.
Gabe Woytek:
Professional services is an expense line.
Gabe Woytek:
Some there are some legal and also Recruiting services that were accrued there that have come over budget so far this year.
Gabe Woytek:
So we'll amend that up.
Gabe Woytek:
Economic development grants are no longer administered through fund 23, but now into fund 10.
Gabe Woytek:
So that amendment is more that that is memorialized in this amendment with an offsetting revenue because it's just kind of a pass through of those state funds.
Gabe Woytek:
There's a separate document in this.
Gabe Woytek:
There's a separate sheet in this document that describes the current underspend in salary and benefits that is projected to play out by the end of this year that was prepared by HR.
Gabe Woytek:
And so it just says it's just a note here to see the detailed breakout department by department.
Gabe Woytek:
I'll touch on a couple of anomalies in that document just so there's not any confusion there.
Gabe Woytek:
And then contribution to other funds.
Gabe Woytek:
So there's, you know, we originally budgeted through different funding sources to fund certain things.
Gabe Woytek:
So, you know, I don't have the authority to defund anything.
Gabe Woytek:
So my task right now is to fund what was originally planned to be funded, then the commission can decide if it wants to allocate contributions to other funds to make up for shortfalls that have occurred.
Gabe Woytek:
So in this case, we have Grant County Active Trails and Transportation and the allocations made of TRT mitigation and the allocations made for TRCCA revenues.
Gabe Woytek:
For those to be made whole based on what was planned at the beginning of the year, these contributions would need to be made.
Gabe Woytek:
And that number comes from this draw from the fund balance.
Gabe Woytek:
And we have the Grand County EMS contribution.
Gabe Woytek:
There's dedicated budget line for that, approved expenditure.
Gabe Woytek:
And then we're moving into Fund 21 here.
Gabe Woytek:
That's the fund that is administered by the roads departments for county optional sales tax.
Gabe Woytek:
That revenue is down a small bit.
Gabe Woytek:
The Fund twenty one had budgeted to put in 178,000 into its fund balance to balance, and so their contribution to savings will be decreased as a result of the decrease in revenue in fund 21.
Gabe Woytek:
Then on to 22, that's the TRCCA.
Gabe Woytek:
There's a there's a number of and and, Steven, this is this is why I thought this is why I I had made the assumption about it being line by line because these these separate line revenues based on the updated projections you had given me.
Gabe Woytek:
So, example, the OHV tax went up, you know, based on how it's performing.
Steven Vowles:
That's a great thing because in the original estimate, OHV was, it's assumed to be worse than 6.1% down.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Okay.
Steven Vowles:
The original estimate we had like a minus 8% forecast , so moving it to 6.1% in some cases got it.
Gabe Woytek:
Interesting.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay.
Gabe Woytek:
Thank you for that clarification.
Gabe Woytek:
And then a transfer from other funds.
Gabe Woytek:
So this is displayed here in this contribution to other funds, which would be the contribution that would have to be made from the general fund to the fund that administers TRCC, that's Fund twenty two, to make whole the budgeted allocations to the Recipients of that funding, which is law enforcement, OSTA, and the fireworks.
Gabe Woytek:
So we are the three Recipients of TRCC funds in the 2025 budget.
Gabe Woytek:
Then there's the Moab Office of Tourism Department budget.
Gabe Woytek:
That's Fund 23.
Gabe Woytek:
I've got that included in this documents and detail line by line.
Gabe Woytek:
We have the downturn in TRT mitigation.
Gabe Woytek:
Fund 26.
Gabe Woytek:
As discussed here moments ago, will likely need to do some updating to those figures and the amount that would need to be transferred from the general fund to make that fund whole to make all of the planned full planned budgeted allocations to Recipient entities of TRT mitigation funds.
Gabe Woytek:
Then Grant County Active Trails and operates out of fund 47.
Gabe Woytek:
TRT revenue is removed as a transfer to that fund.
Gabe Woytek:
And the budgeted planned funding of that fund by those funds is currently in the tentative replaced by a fund transfer.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay, so those are the those are the proposed amendments that are currently entered into this tentative amendment.
Gabe Woytek:
On to the next sheets.
Brian Martinez:
Just a quick clarification.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah.
Brian Martinez:
ERCCA is Starhall Airport, Wustet and Fireworks.
Brian Martinez:
Law enforcement is that correct?
Gabe Woytek:
It's definitely Starhall.
Gabe Woytek:
I I think it's law I think it is law enforcement and not airports.
Gabe Woytek:
I'd have to I'd have to look back on it.
Gabe Woytek:
I I did I did check it before the meeting here.
Gabe Woytek:
It has been used to be allocated to to well, there's one way we could just go right to it.
Gabe Woytek:
Why don't we do that?
Gabe Woytek:
Here's Star Hall, there's that amount of $21.04 59 and then in the '25 adopted budget we have fireworks for 18,000.
Gabe Woytek:
That's service.
Gabe Woytek:
Airport for 650,000.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay, Thank you.
Gabe Woytek:
So, yeah, it must have been.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay.
Gabe Woytek:
Well, so we we we had moved what what was law enforcement last year to airport this year.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay.
Gabe Woytek:
So thank you for that clarification.
Gabe Woytek:
No problem.
Gabe Woytek:
Right.
Gabe Woytek:
Alright.
Gabe Woytek:
So I I just there's some cells in red here, and there's some explanations.
Gabe Woytek:
It's not because it's not very straightforward as to why those have occurred, and I just wanna explain real quick.
Gabe Woytek:
So there are some discrepancies on how benefits and salaries were allocated for 2025 budget.
Gabe Woytek:
Just on some there was some there was there was a little bit of loss of institutional knowledge and how how a couple position salaries were allocated into what department.
Gabe Woytek:
And so that we're just there's there's just a little bit of a cleanup happening.
Gabe Woytek:
So sheriff is showing their projection to be above what was initially projected.
Gabe Woytek:
But as you can see, search and rescue would we had entered into the original budget $3.56 and $1.20 for salary and benefits, and that's being amended down to $1.00 5 and 1,000.
Gabe Woytek:
That's mainly because the star salary and benefits had always been used just for the part time search and rescue staff, and that was made up by that 105 and that 1,000.
Gabe Woytek:
Whereas the full time the SAR commander Brett Heinz, for example, had always been included in the sheriff salaries and benefits.
Gabe Woytek:
We just want to be consistent from year to year in how we do that.
Gabe Woytek:
And so, that's why this 02/1983 and the sheriffs went up to 2,000,163 because some of those SAR positions were moved from these SAR salary and benefits to the sheriff's salary and benefits.
Gabe Woytek:
Also, URS benefit increase is contained in here.
Gabe Woytek:
The increase in projection for the sheriff benefits is partly explained by the additional $18,000 in URS tier two benefits, I think it's called.
Gabe Woytek:
And so, there's that anomaly.
Gabe Woytek:
Well this has come up, Mel had mentioned it in the last meeting, we were looking at community center and senior center.
Gabe Woytek:
As you can see, community center had been hadn't been budgeted salary and benefits in 2020 for for beginning in 2025, and that was just a bit of a misunderstanding.
Gabe Woytek:
It's something that would have been cleaned up at the end of the year amendment, certainly, but we have the opportunity now to clean that up and break out some of these senior center salary benefits into community center.
Gabe Woytek:
And as you can see, these variances are almost identical in how they're shaking out.
Gabe Woytek:
And so, that explains the red in community center because that was decreased by almost the same amount in senior center.
Gabe Woytek:
The 18,000 in OSTA is there was we we can sometimes guess on new hires regarding what type of what type of benefit package, you know, an individual staff person might take, but that doesn't always play out exactly how it's predicted.
Gabe Woytek:
And so there was just a difference here in that whatever benefit package was selected by a staff person.
Gabe Woytek:
So that explains that 18,000 variance in benefits.
Gabe Woytek:
Can make a big quite a big difference even with one staff person.
Gabe Woytek:
So overall, variance here is under just for salary and benefits alone in the general funds, the the the variance is under $958,871.
Gabe Woytek:
And so these these updated projections in green and red have been entered into this proposed tentative amendment because we know that this is what we're likely going to end up spending.
Gabe Woytek:
And certainly, I mean, we're halfway through the year.
Gabe Woytek:
Hopefully, we don't have too many more vacancies, but certainly, they're likely, again, I don't want to wish for it.
Gabe Woytek:
I want us to stay fully staffed and effective, but there will likely be more under spend, maybe not much more throughout the rest of the second half of this year.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay.
Gabe Woytek:
And then the Fund twenty three detailed budget is outlined here.
Gabe Woytek:
That includes the update in transit room tax revenue, which we'll have to update again based on some of the feedback that I received from Commissioner Martinez today.
Gabe Woytek:
Thank you again for that.
Gabe Woytek:
And then there's an increase in what is being offered to Madden, the media agency, to increase advertising paid media deadline.
Gabe Woytek:
So that's really the only thing that's different from what had been discussed earlier this year because the 2025 original budget had been done hastily and a lot of these lines are brand new to the budget because I knew this housecleaning would have to occur to be able to break out all of these expenses appropriately.
Gabe Woytek:
And so, going on to the last page in this document.
Gabe Woytek:
So, there's just a there's a there's an estimated current general fund reserve balance of roughly $10,000,000.
Gabe Woytek:
And so we had this 10.6 at the close of 2024.
Gabe Woytek:
There's reimbursements from the general fund of TRT to fund '23 for trail ambassador costs in 2023 and 2024 in the amount of $617,741 Question on that?
Brian Martinez:
Yeah.
Brian Martinez:
Is just what about the first half of twenty five on that?
Brian Martinez:
Uh-huh.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah.
Brian Martinez:
Reserve the reserve fund from from '47 as well.
Gabe Woytek:
Yeah, so the first half of twenty twenty five, can, you know, cake isn't cooked yet.
Gabe Woytek:
And so essentially we can just Recode all of those expenses and we can treat them as though they were never spent out of Fund twenty three.
Gabe Woytek:
And so, that's what's represented by this entire 05/26 number here.
Gabe Woytek:
We can back all that out, or we will.
Gabe Woytek:
And so that doesn't have to be reimbursed if it hasn't technically been spent in that way.
Gabe Woytek:
I don't have the reimbursement from Fund forty seven to Fund twenty three based on the fund balance there.
Gabe Woytek:
I don't have that reflected right now in this document.
Gabe Woytek:
That's something that we will note and make a transfer for the 2024 financial statements.
Gabe Woytek:
And so its relation to the conversation right now about the 2025 budget not necessary because it doesn't have an impact on the general fund reserve balance.
Gabe Woytek:
It has an impact on the fund '23 reserve balance.
Gabe Woytek:
You know, I decided to leave that out of this conversation.
Brian Martinez:
Okay, I understand.
Brian Martinez:
And then do you know when we'll have those breakdowns of the restricted funds for '23 and '47?
Gabe Woytek:
I think we'll have to like just like the currents.
Brian Martinez:
correct.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I just I'd like to know, you know, we're going into you know, toxic deficit, what do we have sitting inside of the fund '23?
Brian Martinez:
What are those funds?
Brian Martinez:
Are they TRT promotion or the TRT or the TRT two eighty two, right?
Brian Martinez:
Right.
Brian Martinez:
Know what that breakdown is sitting inside of our TRT fund.
Brian Martinez:
Same way with Fund 47, right?
Brian Martinez:
I was asking, you know, what part of that is grants?
Brian Martinez:
What part of that is option?
Brian Martinez:
What part of that was TRT in those reserve accounts?
Brian Martinez:
I think those were the questions that I've been asking for a while, which would be helpful right now as we're going into funding deficits, what our reserves actually are and what they could be used for.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay, certain, yeah, I mean, I guess it be relevant to this conversation to make up funding in Fund 47 if there was available fund balance in that.
Gabe Woytek:
I see that being very relevant, of course, to the 2026 budget preparation cycle and just knowing exactly what those fund balances are, certainly.
Gabe Woytek:
And certainly, we're having to monitor the Fund twenty three reserve balance so it's not coming up against statutory limits.
Gabe Woytek:
So, certainly, we want to make sure that we're identifying what's in there.
Gabe Woytek:
I have reached out to Squire, the accounting consultants, to see if they would do a third party analysis of the Fund twenty three fund balance and look at that historic.
Gabe Woytek:
The fund 47 fund balance, have a I have a pretty confident breakdown of of what that what that balance is and what the amount of that would be in their TRT that needs to be reimbursed to fund 23.
Brian Martinez:
But there's also, I mean, it's a restricted fund.
Brian Martinez:
So there's also restrictions on the grants that we have, and there's also going to be restrictions on option sales tax.
Brian Martinez:
Right.
Brian Martinez:
Right.
Brian Martinez:
So I just want to know what the makeup is of that reserve account.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay.
Gabe Woytek:
I can present that the Fund 47 analysis that I have.
Gabe Woytek:
I can present that by the end of this week, certainly.
Gabe Woytek:
Then I'll provide along with that an update on what the goal is for identifying Fund 23 restrictions and that reserve balance.
Steven Vowles:
Just a clarification there, that doesn't Impact our budget amendment, it's just balances within a fund.
Gabe Woytek:
Right.
Gabe Woytek:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
To get it separate.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah.
Brian Martinez:
It's separate, but it's also relevant just because it's there and it helps paint that entire picture of what is available.
Gabe Woytek:
Yep.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay, so moving forward here, so we have this current tentative budget draw from the general fund reserve balance that's in the proposed tentative amendment.
Gabe Woytek:
And this assumes that all allocations predicted or planned in the beginning of the 2025 budget year will be executed in full will be made whole.
Gabe Woytek:
And so that's encapsulated in contribution to Fund 47 for Grand County Active Trails of Transportation, where it had been funded by TRT.
Gabe Woytek:
The allocations of TRT mitigation, the allocations of TRCC, and then allocation within the general I guess this one is not an allocation, this is merely revenue that we plan to receive in the general fund of sales tax that we don't expect to receive.
Gabe Woytek:
Along with a few unplanned expenses that have been presented here with the contribution to EMS, HR expenses, and the URS contribution increase.
Gabe Woytek:
What I think is particularly valuable for the conversation is that because of this underspend in salary and benefits being very close to what are assumed underspend would be for a balanced budget, This this this I'm fairly confident comes out of wash by the end of the year in terms of what we underspend and and, you know, maybe some maybe some types of revenue coming in.
Gabe Woytek:
So basically, what we have here is a a current budgeted draw from the fund balance that is exactly or is almost exactly equal to some of these unplanned expenses that we have coming or that that that currently are entered into the tentative.
Gabe Woytek:
And so basically, there's kind of this one to one relationship to if you, as the Commission, decide to keep all of these allocations whole, this sort of easy one to one link to what would be planned to be pulled from the fund balance to do so.
Gabe Woytek:
And then just a little bit of data here at the bottom, what the final budget was last year, opening budget this year, 22,000,000.
Gabe Woytek:
This tentative amended budgets of that twenty two thousand
Gabe Woytek:
Hundred ninety because of some unplanned expenses that were added in And the and 50% of the budget year of this 2025 budget year based on the tentative amendment and what we have currently spent to date.
Gabe Woytek:
So this is like halfway through the budget year.
Gabe Woytek:
You know, budgets don't exactly work on a linear in a linear fashion, but it's one thing that can be looked at that we're generally under spending our year to date 50% of our budget through 50% of the year.
Brian Martinez:
But we have revenues for two years prior and everything hasn't landed, correct?
Gabe Woytek:
Right.
Mike McCurdy:
So, and then
Bill Winfield:
Back to your line there amount over budget or did 25 assuming historical underspend.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Of a million 100,000.
Bill Winfield:
Number below also the $9.58, those two numbers, shouldn't they add up to your $1,000,009.77?
Bill Winfield:
And or am I not understanding what you've got there?
Bill Winfield:
So this so here, let me
Gabe Woytek:
Do my best to just kind of start from square one.
Gabe Woytek:
So this is what we originally budgeted to overspend knowing that we wouldn't just feeling confident that we wouldn't spend it, or at least the majority of the commission, myself, and my own Recommendation.
Gabe Woytek:
And so, the $9.58 represents, up to this point, based on salary and benefits alone, what we've already underspent.
Gabe Woytek:
But does not include the $1,300,000 that we're looking to be forecast ed short.
Gabe Woytek:
Right, because that's encapsulated up here.
Brian Martinez:
Right, so those two would basically wash each other out.
Brian Martinez:
We still have our short work that we have to deal with.
Gabe Woytek:
correct.
Gabe Woytek:
But I wanted to make clear that the deficit that we're looking at is not related to our practice of over budgeting to I understand.
Gabe Woytek:
Yeah.
Gabe Woytek:
That that's all I wanted to pout, though, because those things could easily get kind of, you know, it could make the it it could make it more complicated.
Gabe Woytek:
Sure.
Gabe Woytek:
But we're we're kind of lucky in some ways to have this kind of one to one relationship here.
Gabe Woytek:
I mean, you can see we can see exactly what the impacts of all of making of keeping these allocations whole would be.
Bill Winfield:
And then did you have a question, Steven?
Bill Winfield:
No.
Stephen Stocks:
I I was just keeping an eye an eye on the clock, and I thought you guys were moving on to the commissioning at three, but it's at 03:30.
Stephen Stocks:
So I don't
Gabe Woytek:
Know how many presentations you guys have, but being mindful of taking time.
Gabe Woytek:
Yeah.
Gabe Woytek:
So, yeah, thanks, Steven.
Gabe Woytek:
I do have a document that I added on just this afternoon because Commissioner McCanless had asked for an overview of capital expenditures for this year.
Gabe Woytek:
Ultimately, obviously, capital expenditures are it's it's an important conversation.
Gabe Woytek:
But, ultimately, that activity I don't want to say it's not germane to the 2025 budget amendment, but we know that there's a balance and there should be an update of what that balance will be based on upcoming potential expenditures.
Gabe Woytek:
But because right now, it's like pickleball isn't an action item on this agenda, felt like it would just add more to this conversation at the moment, which isn't necessarily germane to us amending this budget.
Gabe Woytek:
It's just kind of its own in some ways, I mean, it's it's separate but related conversation about how the capital reserve reserve funds might be used.
Gabe Woytek:
Great.
Gabe Woytek:
So, that's what I have for now.
Gabe Woytek:
And so, basically, are some presentations to be had, but ultimately, I think what I wanted to tee up as much as possible is these allocations being currently entered into the tentative from the general fund, making up for loss for revenues that aren't available anymore for those funding Recipients.
Gabe Woytek:
How does the Commission want to proceed?
Gabe Woytek:
Does it want to pull all of this money out of the general fund balance to make everything whole, or does it want to make adjustments?
Gabe Woytek:
That's basically what I really wanted to get to today.
Bill Winfield:
But that's gonna come after we've had our presentations?
Bill Winfield:
I would think so.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
correct.
Bill Winfield:
And then I have a question on our presentations before we bring them up.
Bill Winfield:
And I'll use this museum as an example.
Bill Winfield:
I believe that line item, it's a 112,000 or something.
Bill Winfield:
But has that money already been given to the museum?
Bill Winfield:
It has not.
Bill Winfield:
And I guess my question is would be is why?
Bill Winfield:
Because if it was budgeted for them for 2025, when do they receive that money?
Steven Vowles:
Give me some, right?
Steven Vowles:
Quarterly?
Gabe Woytek:
Maybe there has been quarter.
Gabe Woytek:
Sorry.
Jon Kovash, public comment:
It's quarterly.
Gabe Woytek:
Yeah.
Gabe Woytek:
Sorry.
Gabe Woytek:
That answers my question.
Gabe Woytek:
I believe solid waste as well.
Gabe Woytek:
We disperse to them quarterly quarterly.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
I wasn't sure if it was a one time or however.
Bill Winfield:
Thanks.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Sorry.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
And so we can then move into these presentations then.
Bill Winfield:
You're ready for that, Gabe?
Gabe Woytek:
I'm ready.
Gabe Woytek:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
And we will start with the museum then, and I'll I'll just remind everybody it's it's pretty fast.
Bill Winfield:
This isn't a chance to give us a thirty minute spiel.
Bill Winfield:
We want to keep things to under ten minutes if possible and then some time for some questions if we have them.
Bill Winfield:
And we thank you very much for being here.
Cristin Hofhine:
Thank you.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
We're gonna keep it unde seven.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
We're just gonna talk.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
We've got slides for you that you're welcome to look over, but we're just gonna chat with you today.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
My name is Megan Vickery, I'm the Director of Programs at the Moab Museum.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
And I'm Allie Donnell, I'm the Director of Collections.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
We are two of four directors sharing executive functions at the Moab Museum.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
The museum has received quarterly appropriations from Grant County since the 90s.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
Following the museum's transition from a county entity to a nonprofit one, appropriations have funded general operations and staff salaries since that time and continue to do so.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
Today we'll present a summary of what we've done with our appropriations this year so far and what we plan to do for Q3 And Q4.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
Great, so in the first two quarters of the year, we've seen great success at the museum so far.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
We've seen admission of just about 72% year over year since 2024, and membership rates as well have been growing.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
Membership for museum has been up 146% since 2022, reflecting both local and regional support that contributes to
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
financial stability as well as our general high reputation across town and across the region.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
We've done a plethora of programming this year, including history for guides training.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
Spring we trained 70 local guides, including Commissioner Martinez and his team
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
at N AVTEC, providing accurate historical information to help them share moab stories
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
effectively with visitors.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
We've also opened one of our biggest exhibits yet,
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
Uranium Legacy, which has included several programs welcoming just over 500 attendees to
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
those exhibit related programs.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
We bring exceptional visiting speakers and scholars who, in addition to the attendees, also speak very highly of their experience at the museum.For example, after his March shock at Star Hall,
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
author Tom Zollner said museum staff were very impressive and he was blown away by the U92 exhibit Object Quality, the signage, the visual presentation on par with what a patron might expect to see at a major metropolitan area.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
We're also an important educational resource for students, offering free field trips for Grant County classrooms, and we've served 55 students so far this year through private tours and field trips from both Grant County as well as Weber County here in Utah and Steamboat Springs, Colorado.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
Yeah, how about some programs?
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
We've also made a lot Of collections upgrades in Q1 and Q2 that have been focused on accessibility and awareness.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
So we've increased public accessibility to the collections, the archives, the Records via one on one assisted research appointments for documentarians, authors, and local enthusiasts.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
We've also implemented a series called collection stories that connects viewers with a deep dive of objects on and off exhibit.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
And then we've started preparing public tours of our collection storage facility as well.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
We've been focused on professionalization.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
So, November, we completed a collections for preservation assessment program and have been implementing those r ecommendations this year, set align the museum with national standards and collections care.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
And lastly, we've been focused on growth too and seeking private funding for necessary collection scope and space upgrades, including professional storage solutions to house one of a kind prospects critical to the preservation of our region's history.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
That was the first half of the year. Looking ahead, we want to mention that we are closely intertwined with the county's Trails
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
Tomorrow plan functioning as the premier cultural institution for visiting tourists and as a community focused homegrown organization supporting the lives of locals as well the Trails Tomorrow's goals of growing tourism adjacent businesses alongside
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
fostering a tourism economy that continues to support community happiness are equally met by the operations of the museum and this is demonstrated by what's coming in the rest of
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
the year.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
In the rest of the year, we'll open our second phase of our current uranium exhibition titled E92: The Aftermath, which documents the fallout of uranium mining or what it had on human health and the environment.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
Aftermath will invite viewers to reflect on how environmental challenges can inspire change, encouraging a collective commitment to restorative practices that broaden our mining legacy here.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
Associated programming will include content experts, history focused field trips, and new opportunities for peer to peer learning, bringing local mining workforce into the gallery.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
And while that's up and running, we'll also be planning for the semi quintessential in 2026, which is America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday, and museums are participating nationwide.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
Our goal is to promote our institution as a primary platform for semi quint centennial planning via partnerships with several cultural institutions and leaders from across the region.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
So, alongside all of these programs and collections preservation and all of these operations, the co leadership team is ensuring that the museum is financially healthy and sustainable, and in that regard we've conducted a large financial overhaul to maximize revenue to reduce our expenditures, we've also undertaken the task of building out a more robust grant program, demonstrating both financial responsibility and dedication to being able to support all of our programming and storage building, exhibitions and collections preservation.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
But all that being said, county appropriation that we are budgeted is essential to our budget. As originally established in the first years of the appropriation, these funds help support operating and staffing expenses at the museum, allowing us to fulfill our mission, doing all the things that we've talked about today under the leadership of a dedicated team of professionals. Given Recent cuts to federal funding, including from the NEH and NEA and it's for museum and library services, our financial future is closely intertwined with that of the county's appropriation and we urge that it maintains at the amount
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
budgeted for.
Bill Winfield:
Any questions? Trish?
Trish Hedin:
Approximately, do you know approximately what percent our contribution is of your total budget?
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
20%.
Trish Hedin:
Okay.
Trish Hedin:
And then I have one more question, is that okay if I ask?
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Trish Hedin:
How much federal funding have you lost?
Trish Hedin:
And again, maybe it's a percentage or just a
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
The federal funding that we received is funneled through state funding opportunities.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
We've received a small amount of those this year so far,
Laura Harris, public comment:
but looking forward we're not anticipating.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
Right, right.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
Yeah, when
Trish Hedin:
You guys mentioned that you're pursuing grant funding, which I greatly appreciate, I know, you know, in the programming that I do, it's looking quick.
Trish Hedin:
So thank you.
Trish Hedin:
Originally, with the CAP program that I
Tess Barger:
Was talking about, we were able buy for a larger NEH grant, around $50,000 and also looking at like, so yeah, I appreciate that.
Brian Martinez:
Sure.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah, questions.
Brian Martinez:
So, how many people did the museum serve last year?
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
We've been coming at admission in terms of funding has been in the 6,000 to $8,000 per month so far this year, which like we said is year over year pretty big increase.
Allie Donnell, Moab Museum:
Was about five to six equal months.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah, think the second question would be, so you guys have received basically 60,000 so far.
Brian Martinez:
What is the plans for the other 60,000 that would be coming in quarter three, quarter four?
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
Yeah, Yeah, I think it could go largely towards our fall programming for some of our benefit packages and then towards the payment of our accounting and grant services, are contracted.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
Sorry to clarify that those are all things that could be paid for with the about 6% decrease in that appropriation if it were to mirror that of the TRT projection.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
The $60,000 as a whole could easily pay the rest of that would pay for a portion of our staff salaries for the rest
Brian Martinez:
Of it going to go to operating or is it …It's Going to operating?
Brian Martinez:
That's my question, those are going to go to operating costs, they're not going to, you know, exhibits.
Brian Martinez:
Then just the last, you said that you guys went through a financial drill down, what percentage did were you guys able to cut off your expenditures?
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
This is off of our operating budget, that was about a $200,000 difference in our operating budget, given changes in staffing structure.
Brian Martinez:
Took off 200,000 off of your operating budget.
Trish Hedin:
I just want to reiterate or have you reiterate, you mentioned that admissions were up 72%.
Trish Hedin:
Is that what did I catch that correctly?
Trish Hedin:
Is that from last year?
Trish Hedin:
Yes, from last year.
Trish Hedin:
And then and then your membership is up 144%.
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
That's from 2022. So that's a bigger chunk of time.
Trish Hedin:
I guess one more question.
Trish Hedin:
Sorry.
Trish Hedin:
Do you guys keep stats when people come in?
Trish Hedin:
Do you just do admission or do you keep stats of like where people are from?
Trish Hedin:
Do do any kind of surveys of?
Trish Hedin:
It's mostly peer to peer word-of-mouth surveying at our front Staff,
Megan Vickery, Moab Museum:
We have been starting to keep more track, most specifically on where people are hearing about us, which a large part of that is digital marketing, like showing up on Google and things like that when people are looking for cultural opportunities in town. Surprisingly, things like the billboard that we have north of town are also pretty high on the list.
Bill Winfield:
I don't see anything else in the chamber, Jacques or Melodie.
Bill Winfield:
Any questions?
Bill Winfield:
If not, we'll move forward.
Jacques Hadler:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Very much, ladies.
Bill Winfield:
appreciate the presentation.
Jacques Hadler:
Right.
Bill Winfield:
And we go to Maddie and the Grand County Agatee Transportation And Trails.
Madeline Logowitz:
Okay, I'm gonna share my screen and we'll do introductions.
Madeline Logowitz:
Okay, my name is Madeline Logowitz, I'm the Director of Grand County Active Transportation and Trails, which is the GCATT department.
Madeline Logowitz:
I brought Anna today, Anna's our program manager, so at the end if you guys have very detailed questions about operations, she's the best person to answer that.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, before I get started into the budget stuff, which are the attachments that I added to the agenda, just a brief overview, also acknowledging that I just did my annual report a few weeks ago, so there's a ton more details in there, but I did just want to do a brief overview before we start talking about numbers.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, the GCATT department has two programs.
Madeline Logowitz:
It's got the Trails Infrastructure Program and then the Responsible Recreation Program.
Madeline Logowitz:
And then within the Responsible Recreation Program, there are specific projects, as well as the Trail Ambassador Program, which is like The boots on the ground.
Madeline Logowitz:
The Responsible Recreation Program and the Trail Ambassador Program were both developed to serve visitors primarily.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, some benefits of the program are that they assist with visitor safety and experience, so they provide area information, they help orient visitors, they provide maps, they provide water, and then they also do activities to enrich visitor experience that are more or less modeled on the Junior Ranger program.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, family friendly activities.
Madeline Logowitz:
We also educate visitors about best practices to help preserve Recreation assets.
Madeline Logowitz:
Those Recreation assets include the trails themselves, the landscape, and then our specific attractions, too, so like arches, petroglyph panels, things like that that people are here to see.
Madeline Logowitz:
And so it helps prevent degradation of those sites, so that could look like trail damage, it could look like trash and human waste on the trail, or vandalism, people scratching into an arch or a petrol oak panel.
Madeline Logowitz:
And then finally, they educate visitors about etiquette that helps protect their own experience and the experience of others.
Madeline Logowitz:
So what that's really getting at is user conflict is a threat to visitor experience.
Madeline Logowitz:
If people are coming here and they don't quite understand what to expect or how their actions might offend other people, we kind of help smooth that out.
Madeline Logowitz:
So some examples would be like noise and phone use, things like that that people might not really understand how other folks view that.
Madeline Logowitz:
And so, we have a peer reviewed USU study that shows that the program does, in fact have a positive experience or improved visitor experience.
Madeline Logowitz:
And some implications of that could be return visitation or word-of-mouth promotion.
Madeline Logowitz:
People have a good time here.
Madeline Logowitz:
And then also the long term preservation of these Recreation assets, especially as we see more and more people sharing these same areas if we're expecting increased visitor use over the years.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, that's my little spiel, and then we'll get into the budget stuff.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, is an overview, there's a little bit of repeat here in that this is showing those two programs that I mentioned, the Trails Program and the Responsible Recreation Program.
Madeline Logowitz:
This is the whole picture just to show that we're kind of talking about the yellow piece here, which is what was previously TRT and now potentially its general fund.
Madeline Logowitz:
Breaking it out by program, so the trails program has optional sales tax and then all that blue is different grant funding.
Madeline Logowitz:
I did update this from my annual report to include the ORI grant, which is like $1,100,000 And then the Responsible Recreation Program has some grant funding, but primarily has historically been that TRT tax.
Madeline Logowitz:
This gives a little bit of context about the different grants.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, again, we're just looking at our Sponsor Work Creation Program, and specifically, what I've been presenting is for fiscal year 2025, but some of those grants well, all of the grants that we use they're on a multi year cycle, so we're kind of looking at what we expect to spend out of those grants this year, but they're kind of tied to a bigger picture.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, for example, our OHVR grant, which pays for our OHV ambassador program.
Madeline Logowitz:
This year, we expect to spend around $110,000 but that full amount is over $250,000 that they've given us for multi year.
Madeline Logowitz:
We also have a contribution from the Southeastern Utah Health Department.
Madeline Logowitz:
They've given us about $39,000.23, 24, and then we're expecting it 2025 as well.
Madeline Logowitz:
And then the Moab City, we have an inter local agreement with them, does cover educational activities within a one mile buffer of city limits, so that includes the Mill Creek Power Dam area.
Madeline Logowitz:
And then also this graph here that shows fiscal year 2025, the one thing to consider, one of the things to consider is that it doesn't include grants that have been awarded that will be factored into 2026 and 2027 budgets.
Madeline Logowitz:
So we were awarded our Recreational Trails Program grant that we put in for the spring.
Madeline Logowitz:
So there's about $100,000 in that grant that's for Trailmaster staff.
Madeline Logowitz:
And then we were also awarded it's confusingly called an NPS grant, it stands for non point source rather than National Park Service and that is for continuing the Healthy Trails position.
Madeline Logowitz:
Then we have also put in an application for an All Trails Stewardship Fund.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, just a little brief overview of operations.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, this is just a little bit of a description.
Madeline Logowitz:
When we're looking at the Responsible Recreation Program, we have the specific projects, which are media projects, business and event outreach, volunteer outreach, and the waste management initiative.
Madeline Logowitz:
And then we have the Trail Ambassador Program, and we have different focus areas.
Madeline Logowitz:
For the sake of the presentation, when I was baked into the budget, we're calling those kind of sub programs, because that's how we break up the budget.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, there's a hiking focus, an out bike focus, rock climbing, and OHV.
Madeline Logowitz:
I won't go into this, but this is in the packet in case you guys have questions about what individual staff do.
Madeline Logowitz:
These are just the high use areas that we've operated in historically, our partners, and then our Recognitions, we've gotten awards last few years.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, moving on to budget contingencies.
Jacques Hadler:
Let's see,
Madeline Logowitz:
I'm going make that a little bigger.
Madeline Logowitz:
Oh, sorry, it went away.
Bill Winfield:
So,
Madeline Logowitz:
Just a little bit about the process of kind of how I got these.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, looking at the full TRT budgeted for fiscal year twenty twenty five, that amount's at the top, and then I got the year to date expenditures from HR reports, so looking at what we actually spent on payroll, as well as including what expenditures we've already made that show up in the Concel software, and then looking at the remainder.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, full remainder is $363,000 There's also a little bit of repeat information about the grants here, but what I really want you look at is these options one, two, and three.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, these are budget contingency plans that we went through.
Madeline Logowitz:
Option one, the blue one, is pretty similar to our planned annual budget in operations.
Madeline Logowitz:
There are still savings in here, and that is because we did cut a few there's a few large line items, the channel six videos that are 16,000 a year.
Madeline Logowitz:
We decided at the beginning of the year we weren't going to do that because we already knew we were pulling from the fund balance.
Madeline Logowitz:
The full salary was budgeted when it should have been half because part of that is grant funded.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, we removed that and then also we had a position unfilled this spring.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, option one shows $93,000 in savings, or 26% cut, and is still pretty close to what we planned.
Madeline Logowitz:
Option two is making some eliminations to sub programs and a decreased scope of work.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, those three programs are the climbing program, the volunteer program, and the business programming.
Madeline Logowitz:
And then the third option is just a more extreme contraction, so this eliminates five different sub programs and is the most severe cuts that we've presented here.
Madeline Logowitz:
Some things to note are that we did go through everything line item by line item, so there's more variation available, but we just wanted to keep it simple and just show the three to represent the spectrum we were looking at.
Madeline Logowitz:
And then that's the overview, and then they're kind of color coded.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, option one, this is a bit of an overview that shows the staffing plan and the purchases.
Madeline Logowitz:
We have the same thing for option two.
Madeline Logowitz:
And then, more details, we also have so staffing plan is pretty well laid out in detail here, but then for the purchases, we broke them out by subprograms.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, general operations, promotional items, the climbing subprogram.
Madeline Logowitz:
If you want more details on that, then there's three more spreadsheets that kind of go through line item by line item and describe, if I scroll to the end here, sort of like the contingency options, right?
Madeline Logowitz:
So, sort of level one cuts, level two, level three.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Barb Cross, public comment:
Anybody?
Bill Winfield:
I have a question, Bill.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah, go ahead, Chuck.
Jacques Hadler:
So on when you talked about option three eliminating sub programs, you didn't let us know what those sub programs were.
Jacques Hadler:
What would be eliminated and what would be kept as far as the subprograms go, Maddie?
Madeline Logowitz:
Okay, so we're on the Option three overview page.
Madeline Logowitz:
And so that would eliminate two staff members, that would eliminate the lead mountain bike trail ambassador and the lead climbing trail ambassador.
Madeline Logowitz:
And then the cuts are a little bit more nuanced, so we've kind of color coded how many times we kind of went in and trimmed things down.
Madeline Logowitz:
But this would eliminate all of the special programming we have for mountain biking, climbing, volunteer business, as well as broadcast media, and then there's decreases to most of the other items with the exception of the general operations, which covers equipment, like the basic equipment for the program and then the safety equipment.
Jacques Hadler:
So, basically it would only leave the hiking and the OHV intact?
Madeline Logowitz:
correct.
Madeline Logowitz:
And the OHV is grant funded.
Madeline Logowitz:
And then hiking accounts for accounts for,
Saxon Sharpe, public comment:
73% of our contacts.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Madeline Logowitz:
So hiking is by far is the highest volume of people.
Bruce Jenkins:
Thanks.
Bruce Jenkins:
Sure.
Jacques Hadler:
I guess and then the second option, said it eliminates climbing, so it keeps the mountain biking program more or less intact?
Madeline Logowitz:
That one, no.
Madeline Logowitz:
So one of the three sub programs that would be eliminated would be the mountain biking program, the climbing program, and the business program.
Madeline Logowitz:
And it wouldn't eliminate staff for those positions, it would just eliminate the expected purchases we have for those user groups.
Madeline Logowitz:
So, for example, for the climbing program, we have Climber Coffee.
Madeline Logowitz:
In the past, we've done climbing movie night events to try and bring these people who are all over the landscape to one event.
Madeline Logowitz:
So those purchases related to that program would be cut.
Steven Vowles:
Okay.
Trish Hedin:
What are the main areas with climbing Wall Street and the cinema.
Trish Hedin:
Wall Street Theater cinema and ice cream.
Bill Winfield:
All right, thank you ladies.
Bill Winfield:
appreciate the numbers.
Bill Winfield:
Alright, Chris, we will move on to the solid waste if you wanna spend a few minutes with us.
Bill Winfield:
Sure.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
My name is Chris Schulhelm, district manager with Solid Waste Special Service District one.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I don't have a presentation, there's not much I can explain to you guys in ten minutes about what we do, so I'm just here to answer some questions and if there's some information that I can send you right, I'd be more than happy to and like I had sent an email out a few months ago if any one of the commissioners would like to do a tour or get to know kind of what we do on extending that information.
Bill Winfield:
I've been on that tour just for the Record.
Bill Winfield:
If I
Stephen Stocks:
Don't know if any of
Bill Winfield:
You others have, it's quite extensive what they have on all of them.
Bill Winfield:
Know he's got some very good long range plans out there that he's working very hard on.
Bill Winfield:
I know Mary is the liaison to that board, but we've all, or at least myself and Mary both have worked on some of the property issues around there that he's faced with.
Bill Winfield:
I don't know if anybody else has any questions.
Trish Hedin:
I know.
Trish Hedin:
I just maybe this this
Melodie McCandless:
Is just kind of a general overview of this.
Trish Hedin:
Like, I know for many years, it felt like you guys were were were struggling.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
Yes.
Trish Hedin:
But do you feel a little more solid now?
Trish Hedin:
How are you feeling overall?
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
Yeah.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
We we've done some improvements.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
We've got some improved cash flow.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I I definitely understand making cuts.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
We're we're in a position where every cut we probably made for every dollar we cut, we're spending now 2 to $5.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
That's just the way an operational organization works.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I did send over kind of some propOSTAls if for the commission to consider, you know, we bill in arrears and I know there's diRect correlations to volumes to our operational costs, so we're kind of willing to kind of look at maybe getting paid in arrears and maybe some kind of assurances that the money that the commission gives us for TRT is spent on Grand County specifically.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
But, yeah, I'm sorry.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
Overall, yeah, we're I mean, I have to be really careful.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
Like, we I try to be a little bit positive with my my board.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I go in there and, you know, there's yeah.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
We're doing better, but be careful because it could be gone tomorrow.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
For sure.
Trish Hedin:
And I really appreciate you taking the reins and doing what you've done.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Mary, I see you've got your hand up, please.
Mary McGann:
Yes.
Mary McGann:
I just wanted to mention that things are going significantly better.
Mary McGann:
Chris is being pretty modest.
Mary McGann:
And but every penny we have is very important.
Mary McGann:
I mean, I don't see how, at this point, cutting this year's TRT that is the solid waste receives would be beneficial to anyone.
Mary McGann:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, Mary.
Bill Winfield:
And then
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
That does go to everything that we can spend now and we're going to be spending more tomorrow and that's just the reality that we got.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
For example, we didn't invest in infrastructure for our rear load pickups that does the curbside pickup well now forced to rent, which is adding a significant increase in operational costs.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
And I got lots of examples like that, but once again, there's not much I can do here in ten minutes other than just try to, if there's anything that I can provide the board as far as information or budgetary items.
Brian Martinez:
Well, maybe if you just kind of went through, I don't know if you have your copy of your propOSTAls that you kind of have here.
Brian Martinez:
I don't know if you have a second to me to just go through them.
Brian Martinez:
As far as?
Brian Martinez:
Just just what you provided us here.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
Oh, well, basically, yeah.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I just, could like I had mentioned, we bill in arrears and I know that our our funding from TRT is based on fluctuating, costs from tourists.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
So, I mean, the the solid waste district in order to kind of be a better partner with the with the county.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I mean, I think that it might make sense to fluctuate propOSTAls based upon the the actuals, and that would go both ways.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
It's kinda I mentioned if it's down, our volumes are down.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I think making, partnerships with the numbers might be good as far as our forecast ing.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I could have told you guys without the numbers that things are down a little bit.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I also noticed that, like, special events are are similar in the past years, but then then the off those similar events, our volumes are down.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
So that was one of the the the things I was thinking.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I don't know what I'm sure my accountant doesn't appreciate me offering things like this, but, you know, it'd be something that we could probably work out.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
Then the the other thing that I threw on there is just that as our, I guess, area of operation is expanded, I want the the county's money to be kind of transparent that it would fund, things that are directly correlated to the the county and the community because I'm really that's our mandate is to serve the community and I take that pretty serious.
Brian Martinez:
Thanks for coming to us with those ideas,
Bill Winfield:
That's great.
Bill Winfield:
How far, go ahead Mike,
Mike McCurdy:
How far is the expanse outside of Grand County?
Mike McCurdy:
Where do you get service now?
Mike McCurdy:
I don't know.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
All the way
Bill Winfield:
To
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
Colorado, Needles, actually we've been down in Bears Ears, there was a fire down there so we made it down to Bears Ears, and then up towards Crane River.
Mike McCurdy:
Okay.
Mike McCurdy:
So we're not we're not talking that far away?
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
When you're driving 30 year old trucks.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
Yes.
Bill Winfield:
Tracer did you have something else?
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
There were a couple of things that came to mind for me.
Bill Winfield:
I know that you and I discussed at one time that you're missing out on tipping fees because we've got somebody that's been hauling trash here out of the county.
Bill Winfield:
Are we chasing that down?
Bill Winfield:
Do we have any legal means that we can try and enforce them to use our landfill?
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
Honestly, that was a conversation I was gonna maybe start with with Steven.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I'm not sure, you know, try to work out the relationship as far as, you know, what kind of legal services I can kind of lean on that accounting for.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I've identified a few other ones.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I know there's the ordinance, but there is there's there I don't think it's really been followed through to exactly how that can be enforced.
Stephen Stocks:
Okay, and if send out an email, sometimes for the special service districts you guys are not, you are a part of the county and sometimes we'll provide some information advice.
Stephen Stocks:
I'm not necessarily your attorney for a case.
Stephen Stocks:
Some special service districts have asked for help from my office.
Stephen Stocks:
We're happy to help out in a way that we can.
Stephen Stocks:
We don't want to
Mike McCurdy:
Create an attorney client relationship.
Stephen Stocks:
I know like Thompson Special Service and Fire and a couple others have needed help.
Stephen Stocks:
If you send that email, you can send it over to my office and then please include your commissioner, commissioner Gann, and then that way we can all, continue to communicate on that.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
But, yeah, and that's the way I kind of felt is it's kind of it was the beginning of a conversation and that's a little ways down on my priority list but it was just something that I meant to kind of get around.
Stephen Stocks:
Yes, and normally if it's going to be like a large project, like you're going to have to sue somebody and take them to court, we'll probably have a conversation.
Stephen Stocks:
It's probably best for you
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
To hire your attorney.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
Yeah.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
That's the way I kind of figured it, but at least kind of get some guidance, get the county commission.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
Obviously, if there's an ordinance in place and any kind of enforcement would have to be discussed and voted on, I would have agreed with the commission.
Bill Winfield:
I would think that if we did a little bit of research and find out what your legal rights are and then maybe instigate a conversation with that company first, give them the option to Absolutely.
Bill Winfield:
Play nice, I guess, for lack of a better word before we go some other route.
Mary McGann:
I have a question.
Mary McGann:
I have a question for
Trish Hedin:
I have a question.
Mary McGann:
Me.
Mary McGann:
I have a question for Steve.
Mary McGann:
I do think it's a Grand County ordinance.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Mary McGann:
Not a solid waste ordinance.
Mary McGann:
I would like to investigate that.
Mary McGann:
But what I remember when we were making it, we were working with the city and the county and the Solid Waste were working together.
Mary McGann:
This was under Evan.
Mary McGann:
And so I'm wondering since it's a Grand County ordinance, does that change our process or the amount of effort we put into making sure our ordinance is followed?
Stephen Stocks:
Yes.
Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
Stephen Stocks:
That would have some impact to it.
Stephen Stocks:
Depending on how the ordinance is written and the teeth behind it, it could either end up being a civil penalty or a criminal penalty depending on what your penalty clause indicates.
Stephen Stocks:
Some of our penalties include a civil penalty up to $10,000 Other are considered Class B or Class C misdemeanor.
Stephen Stocks:
If we I'm more than happy to sit down with you and kind of go through it.
Stephen Stocks:
I
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
Can send it over.
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
I think it's through 3025 or something like that.
Mary McGann:
I would like to be Maybe we can have a conversation with Chris, myself, and and perhaps another commission member to go over this ordinance and see the know, look at where the county is responsible and where the solid waste is responsible because I see it being both since it's county ordinance.
Mary McGann:
Does that make sense?
Mike McCurdy:
It does.
Dashiel Kulander:
Yeah.
Dashiel Kulander:
Thank you, Anybody
Bill Winfield:
Else?
Bill Winfield:
We appreciate Chris, appreciate you Chris.
Bill Winfield:
Nobody likes your trash cans going over the street.
Bill Winfield:
That's usually the time we get the phone call.
Bill Winfield:
Exactly.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Madeline Logowitz:
Yes, I forgot to mention my presentation just so you guys know in option one and two.
Madeline Logowitz:
We do have $9,000 also for solid waste special service district for the way bag collection.
Madeline Logowitz:
Yes, it's also based on accounting ordinance.
Madeline Logowitz:
Then option three, which is sort of the bare bones one, does not have that in there.
Madeline Logowitz:
You guys know.
Mike McCurdy:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
And just for the public, that was Madeline Lobowitz speaking, just giving us the options that she has that are in relation to the Solid waste District.
Bill Winfield:
And so with that.
Bill Winfield:
Gabe?
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Gabe Woytek:
So I suppose I should
Steven Vowles:
Probably help
Bill Winfield:
You screen.
Bill Winfield:
Gabe, do you mind if Mary's got her hand up, please?
Bill Winfield:
Mary?
Mary McGann:
Just a quick question.
Mary McGann:
I know there's Gabe, you mentioned that we weren't going to discuss certain items in the budget such as the playground and the pickleball court.
Mary McGann:
When would that be discussed?
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
That would be up to you.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
That would be up
Gabe Woytek:
To the commission.
Gabe Woytek:
You know, I see it kind of being more effectively being its own maybe its own conversation about capital projects or it's just a suggestion.
Gabe Woytek:
Well,
Mary McGann:
I know there's a lot of angst in the county right now around the playground and the pickleball court.
Mary McGann:
Personally, I would like to have it kinda settled sooner than later so that the angst can go away.
Bill Winfield:
I think we all feel that way, Mary, but we're gonna have to get through our list of essential or non-essential items first.
Bill Winfield:
But I know Trish has got a question here in response to that, and we'll start with her and then go to Mike.
Trish Hedin:
Just a comment that it might be the same one.
Trish Hedin:
I do think it's imperative that we do it in a timely manner because we do know that costs are escalating every day.
Trish Hedin:
My understanding talking to that board and talking to Angie.
Trish Hedin:
So I think
Bill Winfield:
We
Trish Hedin:
Need
Bill Winfield:
To make this fairly quickly.
Mike McCurdy:
Mike, if it helps, was bringing it up in today within our regular commission meeting as the feature consideration moving into our next meeting to bring up discuss and move on with.
Mike McCurdy:
Incoming.
Mike McCurdy:
Just so you know.
Bill Winfield:
Anything further, Mary?
Mary McGann:
Thank you.
Mary McGann:
No.
Mary McGann:
I no.
Mary McGann:
That's good.
Mary McGann:
I just you know, it was people are watching and want to know, and I would like to be able to assure them it's gonna be discussed in the near future.
Mary McGann:
And then they would like some security that it's not going to be cut.
Bill Winfield:
All right.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
And Gabe, we will go back to you.
Bill Winfield:
And I think that on that note that we'll let Mike ask for that be at the next commission meeting.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Mike McCurdy:
But I do agree with Gabe on that.
Mike McCurdy:
It was it pertains to capital expenses and this year's budget, not really.
Mike McCurdy:
It's separate topic.
Mike McCurdy:
I know it all goes to the budget, but it is this year's topic.
Brian Martinez:
So if
Bill Winfield:
You folks are
Stephen Stocks:
Planning to put that on the agenda, what information would you guys want from OSTA or any of
Mike McCurdy:
The other people that are involved to have
Stephen Stocks:
A successful discussion on that?
Mike McCurdy:
Quick question to that would be, I would like outline of the grant, or outline of the grant conditions, and I know with costs going up, I want to know as best as possible current exact cost, And if that falls within the grant.
Mike McCurdy:
Also, did have a question on that 73,000 that was outside the scope, that was part of the grant, but it was outside the scope of the contractors in their propOSTAls.
Mike McCurdy:
It was the electrical and concrete outside of the playground and pickleball court propOSTAl.
Brian Martinez:
Who would
Chris Scovill, Solid Waste:
You like
Mike McCurdy:
To get that?
Mike McCurdy:
Angie.
Mike McCurdy:
And she gave a brief one, but if there's more detail, I would love it.
Stephen Stocks:
Do you want administration to do that?
Stephen Stocks:
Do you want Angie?
Stephen Stocks:
How would you like to compare that to them?
Mike McCurdy:
I feel that Mark can give Angie a quick call and this would be a five minute thing.
Bill Winfield:
I do think, Mark, that we need to look into that to see if that's something the contractor missed in the RFP.
Bill Winfield:
If we missed including it in there, where's the if somebody trying to get out of a $70,000 plus or minus electrical there, just quite get to the bottom of where that mishap took place.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
For a little clarification.
Bill Winfield:
And then if we're gonna expand on that and request some further information at the same time, not just the pickleball courts, but the archery and other things as we keep adding to Osta.
Bill Winfield:
I like to know what the long range plans and needs are of staff to maintain these new features out there.
Bill Winfield:
So there's, it's one thing that we've got a contract and a grant to build this, but what's the long term cost gonna be on a yearly basis for the county?
Mike McCurdy:
Sure, Mike.
Mike McCurdy:
I know it's been briefly gone over also.
Mike McCurdy:
County enters into land acquisition all the time from different entities.
Mike McCurdy:
We really should be in this talking about solidifying county's ownership on BLM portion of OSTA, we should be looking into that also because half of OSTA's grounds are not under strict control of Grant County, they're BLM and Grant County crossover.
Trish Hedin:
So what's the rub with that?
Mike McCurdy:
We should buy it.
Mike McCurdy:
Can we afford it now?
Mike McCurdy:
No.
Bill Winfield:
We were gonna discuss that very item off the agenda.
Bill Winfield:
So no pun intended there, but moving on, Gabe, we'll let this go back to you.
Bill Winfield:
I Sorry for the dread and the wave on some of And
Gabe Woytek:
So basically kind of going back if anyone wanted to make any suggestions to adjustments that are currently entered into the tentative budget, I think there's a couple of factors at play.
Gabe Woytek:
There's allocations to entities that are under the Grand County umbrella, like the Solid Waste District, like the museum, Grand County EMS, I believe.
Gabe Woytek:
And then there are also allocations that are federal fund offsets that are within departments.
Gabe Woytek:
And so, you know, I guess at this point, just entertain any any sort of, you know, potential updated placeholders for the tentative budget.
Gabe Woytek:
And this wouldn't comprise an official action, perhaps by a straw poll, it could be agreed to update the tentative budget with some with a with a new figure as it relates to some of these allocations as they are currently listed.
Bill Winfield:
I guess, Gabe, for some clarification, we're looking at what dollar amount do we need to cut between now and the end of the year to get back on budget?
Bill Winfield:
Hold on.
Gabe Woytek:
It would be 1,970,000.00, know, then that currently we have 10,000,000 in savings to cover that.
Gabe Woytek:
And so it's it would be up to the commission to decide what what amount, you know, could be deemed acceptable or not with regards to covering that amount.
Brian Martinez:
Trish?
Brian Martinez:
Think we're right.
Brian Martinez:
Go ahead Trish,
Bill Winfield:
You can go.
Bill Winfield:
I'm sorry.
Melodie McCandless:
It's My
Trish Hedin:
Preference would be to stay the course for twenty five to take money out of savings and fund, you know, budgets as as as they have been allotted.
Trish Hedin:
And then we're gonna begin the budgeting process, I assume, quick, right, for '26 here in the next, I assume, next couple weeks ish.
Trish Hedin:
And then we we get really aggressive with looking at that '26 budget.
Trish Hedin:
But to me, to look at asking departments to cut programming, to look at asking departments to cut staff is when we've also been spending a lot of money out of budget, I think is just wrong.
Trish Hedin:
But I'm going leave that aside.
Trish Hedin:
I mean, I did state it.
Trish Hedin:
I probably shouldn't have even stated that.
Trish Hedin:
I really would like to just stay the course for '25.
Trish Hedin:
I realize that, you know, there's a lot of factors at play, and one is an economic downturn.
Trish Hedin:
I'll disagree with Brian's statement that we've been in a Recession for the last number of years.
Trish Hedin:
We've actually had a lot of presentations in the past number of years where it shows kind of sustainable growth curve and really with even those blips, meaning the large downturn with COVID and the large bounce back from that, we really have just been on that upward trend.
Trish Hedin:
I think starting in '25, that's not going to be the case anymore.
Trish Hedin:
Specifically, what's happening at a federal level, I think the consumer confidence is tanking.
Trish Hedin:
I think tariffs and all of the other things are retracting people's willingness to spend money and to travel.
Trish Hedin:
I know I feel that way.
Trish Hedin:
That's for sure.
Trish Hedin:
I'm pretty scared.
Trish Hedin:
And so I think, you know, we can look at that into the future.
Trish Hedin:
But my preference right now is to stay the course, is to fund people, and then that gives them that ability for the next six months to really look at their programming in-depth and see what they can do to try to to try to pull back their budgets a little bit.
Bill Winfield:
Brian?
Brian Martinez:
Yeah, I mean, pushback on that, Trish.
Brian Martinez:
I mean, financial analyst just said that we've been in a four year Recession.
Brian Martinez:
The numbers said that we've been in a four year Recession.
Trish Hedin:
I don't think he used the word Recession.
Trish Hedin:
I think he said we plateaued after after that bump after COVID.
Steven Vowles:
I will just clarify Recession is like a 20% drop over two quarters.
Steven Vowles:
So it's not technically a Recession, but a contraction.
Steven Vowles:
In '25?
Steven Vowles:
From '22 forward, we have been here gone down, four years.
Steven Vowles:
It's not a r ecession, but contraction.
Steven Vowles:
We've been going kind of flat, maybe a little bit under since 2022.
Brian Martinez:
And not
Bill Winfield:
Up, I guess is what he s aid.
Trish Hedin:
No, I that.
Trish Hedin:
Heard him use the word plateau and maybe I just I don't know.
Trish Hedin:
And
Brian Martinez:
Then second, I think I was kind of under the decision that we were going to come in here and start off by making a few decisions.
Brian Martinez:
One was, are we going to, as a board decide to cut in the essential services?
Brian Martinez:
Right.
Brian Martinez:
I think that we'll start right there.
Brian Martinez:
Sure.
Brian Martinez:
And then from there we should decide, you know, which non-essential services we're willing to cut, you know, moving from there.
Brian Martinez:
I know that we're going to be moving into emergency season very soon, right.
Brian Martinez:
But I think that whether we make those decisions today or whether we make those decisions in September, these are decisions that we're going to have to make.
Brian Martinez:
And I would I personally would rather not I'd rather rip the band aid off and do it right now just to make sure that we're that we're not going to be dipping into our savings to be funding structural deficits.
Speaker1:
Mary had her hand
Bill Winfield:
Up.
Bill Winfield:
Mary?
Mary McGann:
Yes.
Mary McGann:
Yes.
Mary McGann:
Thank you very much.
Mary McGann:
Thank you very much.
Mary McGann:
I don't want to I really don't wanna go into whether we're in a where we are financially going or where we're at right now.
Mary McGann:
I want to advocate for our staff.
Mary McGann:
I think being halfway through the year to go to our staff and ask them to make major changes puts an undue stress on a group of people who are very dedicated, very willing to work above and beyond their duties.
Mary McGann:
They have been very successful in staying within budget.
Mary McGann:
So I think at this point, if we need to take $1,977,000 out of savings to cover the deficit.
Mary McGann:
We still have a huge amount more in our savings than we did ten years ago.
Mary McGann:
I don't want to continue this process.
Mary McGann:
Over this last six months was the first time I've seen our revenue go down.
Mary McGann:
And I don't wanna see that continue, but I think to honor our staff and the people who work for us, I think we stay the course for the rest of the year and look for next year so that they can then go into their budget year for 2026 with knowing what they have to deal with rather than pulling the rug out from underneath them right now.
Mary McGann:
That's my opinion.
Mary McGann:
I'd like to stay the course and take that money out of savings.
Mary McGann:
Thank you.
Mary McGann:
Thank you, Mary.
Jacques Hadler:
Bill, may I weigh in?
Jacques Hadler:
I'm sorry.
Jacques Hadler:
My Internet's a little spotty here.
Jacques Hadler:
So
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Bill Winfield:
Please do.
Jacques Hadler:
Thank you.
Jacques Hadler:
I tend to agree with with Trish and Mary on this.
Jacques Hadler:
Think I think I mean, we did a we we went through a long process creating a budget last year and changing courses in midstream.
Jacques Hadler:
I mean, that's what we have developed such a large surplus for.
Jacques Hadler:
Mean, 10,000,000 is a pretty decent amount to have in the bank and we've been able to increase that as I think Dana sent an email last week showing the continuing rise in our general fund over the last six years or so.
Jacques Hadler:
We some good years and some bad years.
Jacques Hadler:
It's definitely not what you would call a good year by any stretch of the imagination, not arguing with that.
Jacques Hadler:
But continuing to stay the course this year and certainly not cutting any essential services.
Jacques Hadler:
I'd be in favor of and in budgeting next year appropriately would be my preferred path.
Bill Winfield:
Thanks, Joc.
Bill Winfield:
And I wanna make a couple of points.
Bill Winfield:
One of them is I I don't think that we can blame the feds for our current problems.
Bill Winfield:
I know that it was stated the tariffs and foreign travel and a few other things that the feds didn't put us here.
Bill Winfield:
We did ourselves.
Bill Winfield:
I wanna remind the commission also, and I know some of the commissioners are new, but there were some major battles last year in the budget season.
Bill Winfield:
And some of those battles were over just increases in department spending, let alone some of the staff increases that were asked for.
Bill Winfield:
And it ended up being a five to two vote against taking a con more conservative approach to our budget because it as mister Vals has mentioned, since '22, we have mention, decline here.
Bill Winfield:
It might not be very big, but if you continue to utilize the three year or the six year or the ten year timeline, we can make the budget look any way that we want it to look.
Bill Winfield:
The reality is the realities are that we're in a negative this year that exceeds anything that we've seen previously.
Bill Winfield:
And I understand that we wanna be careful and that we have staff that are gonna be affected by this, but we also have issues that we have to deal with immediately that we can't wait till the end of the year.
Bill Winfield:
And because we have a savings account to sit here and say that we wanna pull out basically $2,000,000, I mean, it's short 23,000 of being the 2,000,000 mark, when we have had some major battles in the last few months over trying to solve some of our problems with the $60,000 study that will help this county understand why we're in some of the depReciation that we're in.
Bill Winfield:
We've chose to use some of that money out of that capitalization for CJC, which goes to the most needy, abused children in this community and the battles that we've had over that.
Bill Winfield:
And now we just are willing to take a paintbrush or a pencil, a red one at that, and slash $2,000,000 out of our savings account.
Bill Winfield:
And I I guess I'm struggling here.
Bill Winfield:
I I I disagree with this.
Bill Winfield:
Let's just hold the course and paint a pretty picture and hope that it changes.
Bill Winfield:
I I'm we're obligated to be conservative as a commission with our taxpayers' dollars.
Bill Winfield:
Mike, go ahead.
Bill Winfield:
I'll
Mike McCurdy:
Just throwing no cuts to essential services.
Mike McCurdy:
And in that, like always during the Record commission meeting, my wife works for the sheriff's department, but again, no cuts to essential services.
Bill Winfield:
I understand.
Bill Winfield:
Trish?
Trish Hedin:
I agree with you.
Trish Hedin:
And if you look back through my votes since the beginning of this year and all of these non budgeted items, I did vote for the MS MS contribution.
Trish Hedin:
I it's it's it's complete hypocrisy to state that because you're saying it, and I completely agree.
Trish Hedin:
We all we should be very fiscally conservative, but we have not been this year.
Trish Hedin:
We have made expenditure after expenditure and some quite lavish that do do not at all reflect that value system to me at all.
Trish Hedin:
So let's we just gotta get past let's just get past the politics.
Trish Hedin:
We need to start we need to start making some decisions.
Trish Hedin:
And making punches, I'm getting so tired of the just constant punches.
Trish Hedin:
It's just I'm getting so sick of it.
Trish Hedin:
We need to start making some decisions.
Trish Hedin:
You better get the smile off your face.
Trish Hedin:
That's extremely rude.
Trish Hedin:
Both of you, please.
Trish Hedin:
It's rude.
Trish Hedin:
It's rude.
Trish Hedin:
It's rude.
Trish Hedin:
Stop.
Trish Hedin:
Brian, we have to the start making some decisions.
Trish Hedin:
Okay?
Trish Hedin:
Bill, and you're the leader here, can you please move us forward as the leader?
Bill Winfield:
I'm gonna go to the next one, which is Brian, and then go to Mike if you're done.
Trish Hedin:
I'm actually I'm I'm actually not done.
Trish Hedin:
Okay.
Trish Hedin:
Let us know when you are.
Trish Hedin:
Okay.
Trish Hedin:
I will.
Trish Hedin:
You know, so I just have a really hard time pushing on department heads, pushing on employees.
Trish Hedin:
Our morale in this county is low.
Trish Hedin:
And we've made, to me, some really poor decisions spending already this year.
Trish Hedin:
Let's stop.
Trish Hedin:
Let's move forward.
Trish Hedin:
But again, we need to do things holistically.
Trish Hedin:
And I think we start the budgeting season.
Trish Hedin:
We do it holistically.
Trish Hedin:
We dive into each department's budget piece by piece, which is what we've already done.
Trish Hedin:
And we do it we do it holistically.
Trish Hedin:
I'm not sure what's what's up with the smirk on your face, Bill.
Bill Winfield:
I'm sorry, but I'm just smiling.
Trish Hedin:
No.
Trish Hedin:
You're smirking.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
Are you done now, Paul?
Bill Winfield:
I'm not gonna sit here and growl or grimace or give you a negative.
Bill Winfield:
I'm just gonna sit here and be pleasant, Trish.
Bill Winfield:
That's just my nature.
Trish Hedin:
Yeah.
Trish Hedin:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
You.
Bill Winfield:
Brian, you're next, and then Mike.
Brian Martinez:
Okay.
Brian Martinez:
Well, I mean, I mean, I think that that it's incredible that we're in this position right here, right?
Brian Martinez:
I mean, it it's crazy.
Brian Martinez:
I was just looking it up.
Brian Martinez:
You know, we're one of the few counties in Utah that's seen negative growth, right?
Brian Martinez:
I mean, I've looked it up.
Brian Martinez:
Let's see here.
Brian Martinez:
Washington County, they're up to or 1.1%.
Brian Martinez:
Iron County, they're up 1.1%.
Brian Martinez:
Garfield County, they're up 8.3%, right?
Brian Martinez:
Wayne County is up 1%.
Brian Martinez:
I mean, other counties are doing better than we are.
Brian Martinez:
So when I look at it, why are we in this position?
Brian Martinez:
It's because we top down our only industry that we have, which is tourism.
Brian Martinez:
I mean, I watched it for year after year up here as we just cut the budgeting, right, for advertising in this place.
Brian Martinez:
And so when you talk down, you're only the only industry that we have right here.
Brian Martinez:
This is the result.
Brian Martinez:
We don't get to have the nice things that we want.
Brian Martinez:
I mean, I didn't want to come in here and have to come in here and start making budget cuts.
Brian Martinez:
That's not where I wanted to be as a commissioner, coming in here and trying to do all this.
Brian Martinez:
It feels like for the last six months, we're doing nothing but trying to clean up.
Brian Martinez:
I think that budgeting in December, I think it was irresponsible right, to say that we were going to be completely flat, right?
Brian Martinez:
I mean if you look at those numbers that we've seen right here, you can see that the trend has been going down.
Brian Martinez:
Know, Steven kind of had this three year average that he talked about where he's like, well, know, if you stand at one spot at the ocean, you know the waves are going to come back and they're going to come back and they're going to come back.
Brian Martinez:
But let me tell you if I went stood at the river right now today I wouldn't expect the water to be where it's been the last couple of years.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
It's going down right now.
Brian Martinez:
We need to go ahead and we need to start making some tough decisions and I hate to say it, but I'm to start right now.
Bill Winfield:
Mike, go ahead.
Mike McCurdy:
Several of my decisions this year have not been obviously fiscally conservative, but in all of their decisions, they are for our community.
Mike McCurdy:
The EMS contribution wasn't fiscally conservative, but it's for our community.
Mike McCurdy:
It was willingly done by me.
Mike McCurdy:
The contribution to CJC was willingly spent, as previously stated, it's for our community.
Mike McCurdy:
Again, it'll come up later that the pickleball and playground, again, is not looking at a fiscally conservative, but again it's for our community.
Mike McCurdy:
It makes it easier when it directly affects Grant County residents.
Bill Winfield:
Melodie, and then we'll go to Marija.
Melodie McCandless:
So, when I was looking at some of the conversations that we had also was open positions and reviewing some of those and I don't think during the conversation I was listening to on phone while I was driving here.
Melodie McCandless:
Though we spoke about any of that, I don't think that we should be defunding any of the essential services.
Melodie McCandless:
Solid waste obviously needs every penny.
Melodie McCandless:
It's going to cost us more in the long run.
Melodie McCandless:
Unfortunately, our non-essential service that's in the room is our trails ambassadors.
Melodie McCandless:
And it's super sad because I think that they have a great program.
Melodie McCandless:
But when we look at what's up for our community, you know, like Mike just brought out, you know, EMS, we've paid $300,000 I worked on the ambulance whenever they wanted to become a special service district and they asked for money from the county and, you know, they haven't received that mitigation money.
Melodie McCandless:
So I don't feel like that was an expense that was like, you know, not it was a fiscal responsibility.
Melodie McCandless:
You know, if the ambulance doesn't show up and your kid is hurt, you're not gonna be very happy with with anybody, especially anybody that doesn't give funds.
Melodie McCandless:
So, I don't want to be sitting here six months into my commission role and cutting people's jobs or salaries or budgets.
Melodie McCandless:
I think Maddie did a really good job of setting out some things.
Melodie McCandless:
She has option one, two, and three.
Melodie McCandless:
Three still is cuts.
Melodie McCandless:
It doesn't necessarily take look like I was listening on the phone.
Melodie McCandless:
But employees, it's not taking employees' jobs.
Melodie McCandless:
It is cutting a big cut, so I really appreciate that.
Madeline Logowitz:
Option three actually does cut.
Melodie McCandless:
Oh, it has some cuts.
Madeline Logowitz:
Option two is kind of the managing p urchases, preserving staff.
Melodie McCandless:
So, you know, and that's the department that unfortunately is going to feel the cuts with that suggestion that we go and we have at least $700,000 that we need to cut.
Melodie McCandless:
When I look at it, that 1,300,000.0, but we have salaries that haven't been filled for 700,000.
Melodie McCandless:
So I do think that there needs to be some cuts.
Melodie McCandless:
I don't think that we can just stay the course like Jacques and Mary
Trish Hedin:
have r ecommended.
Bill Winfield:
Mary, I know you've got your hand up.
Bill Winfield:
Go ahead, please.
Mary McGann:
Thank you very much.
Mary McGann:
I don't want to continue…
Mary McGann:
We've done this way too long where we go back and forth, back and forth, pointing the finger, pointing the finger.
Mary McGann:
And for each one of us, when we point that finger, there are three fingers pointing back at us.
Mary McGann:
So I I think it's an incredible waste of time for us to continue this around and around and around.
Mary McGann:
I do want to say there is one thing that I think we should look at that has been done that is very positive.
Mary McGann:
We have significantly increased our reserve, And that's been due to years and years and years of conservative budgeting.
Mary McGann:
I mean, we've more than four times what we had ten years ago.
Mary McGann:
And so I'm excited and I'm proud of that.
Mary McGann:
I also think that, you know, we can wait six months to do some major cutting.
Mary McGann:
There are people who are relying on their income, who are looking forward to having their income, departments that, you know, I just think, you know, that the season is over.
Mary McGann:
They don't you know, they're it's a seasonal you know, they're hired seasonally.
Mary McGann:
Let you know, they know they won't be having a position next year, but I don't feel comfortable having people lose their job right now when we have the means to stay the course and not have people lose their jobs and to also take the pressure off of our staff.
Mary McGann:
Our staff has been under a lot of pressure for a long time, and I don't think I think to be good stewards of our our staff, we should not worry about at this point doing any cuts.
Mary McGann:
I you know, we could you know, we will still be if we spend that money, we will still be way above where we were.
Mary McGann:
So I don't think that's fiscally responsible, and it's not waving a you know, pretending.
Mary McGann:
I mean, I I don't take it.
Mary McGann:
I mean, I'm I'm sick to see that it's gone down.
Mary McGann:
It's the first time it's gone down in my tenure.
Mary McGann:
But at the same time, I respect and care for our staff more than I than the pain that it gives me that our reserves are going down.
Mary McGann:
So I've made my statement, but I would really appreciate if we could stop pointing the finger at each other.
Mary McGann:
I think it's counterproductive.
Mary McGann:
It's it's it's not it's it's making us I've had people on the street stop me and say that our our our commission is is toxic.
Mary McGann:
It's it's to watch it is hard.
Mary McGann:
I I we I we're better than that.
Mary McGann:
All seven of us are better than that.
Mary McGann:
So let's stop the finger pointing and move forward in a more positive and collaborative and respectful manner.
Mary McGann:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, Mary.
Bill Winfield:
I agree that there's definitely room for improvement probably in all of this as far as communication back and forth with the commission.
Bill Winfield:
I'll also state though, Mary, that sometimes when facts are thrown out there, because he has no other option than to speak to us.
Bill Winfield:
And I know for a fact that the $10,000,000 currently sitting in that fund reserve, 5,000,000 of it came while I was on the commission from the LACTEF funds.
Bill Winfield:
I know several other millions of dollars that came in here during COVID.
Bill Winfield:
So to say that it's all from conservative budgeting is a little bit of an exaggeration.
Bill Winfield:
It's from the federal government.
Bill Winfield:
The reason that we have such a large savings account, a big part of it more than half.
Bill Winfield:
And so I'm not pointing fingers.
Bill Winfield:
I'm not trying to be negative.
Bill Winfield:
I'm just trying to make sure that we all understand the facts that are stated here clearly amongst all of the commissioners.
Bill Winfield:
And, Gabe, I would like to ask back to Mallory's excuse me, Melodie's question regarding the underspend that we've had because of unfilled positions.
Bill Winfield:
And so when I see the 1,977,000 there, if I use her math, that puts us down in the 1,300,000 realistically that we're asking for or am I misunderstanding?
Bill Winfield:
Sorry,
Brian Martinez:
Go ahead, Gabe.
Gabe Woytek:
No, it's my math accounts for that $9.58 there under spend is already sort of that's already built into the new tentative budget, those updattd underspends into the salary and benefits.
Gabe Woytek:
And so Yeah.
Gabe Woytek:
Ultimately, that that's already accounted for, and that's already that underspend is already swallowed up by what we already budgeted to overspend.
Bill Winfield:
So realistically, we're looking at the $1,900,000 here, right?
Brian Martinez:
Yeah, the 900 and the 1,000,000 wash each other out is what you're saying, Right.
Brian Martinez:
So $1.09 is what we're looking at.
Brian Martinez:
And then.
Bill Winfield:
Go ahead Brian.
Brian Martinez:
Just real quick, know, I mean, and not to try to start causing more problems, but this is the second budget workshop that we've had.
Brian Martinez:
I feel like we've made absolutely no progress.
Brian Martinez:
So I mean, I do agree with Mary.
Brian Martinez:
I mean, I think that if we're going to sit down here and get into it, like, let's sit down and actually figure out how we're either going to fix this or we're going to fund this.
Brian Martinez:
We've sat around now for two hours.
Brian Martinez:
Gabe asked one question which was you know are we going to make adjustments based on this 1.9 and we have not given him any instruction yet.
Bill Winfield:
I'm not comfortable taking 1,900,000.0 out of the savings account.
Bill Winfield:
So, where do we start?
Brian Martinez:
Does anybody want to go with essential services?
Bill Winfield:
What essential services?
Brian Martinez:
The Services that I see on here that are essential.
Brian Martinez:
I'm looking at law enforcement, solid waste, search and rescue.
Mike McCurdy:
No.
Brian Martinez:
Non-essential services.
Brian Martinez:
We have a museum.
Trish Hedin:
Are we gonna ask everybody what they're asking?
Brian Martinez:
I'm sorry, I thought I didn't hear anybody answers.
Trish Hedin:
We have two people online.
Trish Hedin:
Sure.
Trish Hedin:
Well, thanks for that.
Bill Winfield:
Neither of them have their hand up.
Brian Martinez:
Does anybody have an appetite for cutting law enforcement, solid waste, search and rescue?
Bill Winfield:
No.
Jacques Hadler:
I'm not in favor of cutting much and essential services certainly fall under that, so I'm not in favor of cutting essential services.
Trish Hedin:
Mary?
Mary McGann:
I'm not in favor of cutting essential services.
Mary McGann:
No.
Trish Hedin:
Neither am I.
Trish Hedin:
Melodie, you no.
Melodie McCandless:
I'm not in favor of that.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
Moving on.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
non-essential services.
Brian Martinez:
We have the Museum, Rec SSD.
Brian Martinez:
And then GCATT responsible Rec and Trail Ambassadors.
Jacques Hadler:
I'm I'm not in favor of cutting any of those.
Jacques Hadler:
I'll I'll speak to the museum first.
Jacques Hadler:
I think that I mean, we don't fund the museum at a very high level anyway, just over a $100,000 and if we cut them just a little bit, it does as they stated that's 20% of their budget and that would so so cutting that at all would would definitely cut into what they're working with.
Jacques Hadler:
Think the museum fills a very unique niche in Grand County and that it's a it's a unique cultural attraction for us.
Jacques Hadler:
We don't have as many cultural attractions as we do outdoor Recreation attractions and of the ones that we do have, things like the Folk Festival and the museum holds its own spot.
Jacques Hadler:
I've been on that board for five years now and I've seen the museum blossom.
Jacques Hadler:
Was just I'm traveling right now it's just I love museums I poked into the local museum here and it was cool but it just reinforced my opinion that our museum is outstanding.
Jacques Hadler:
I think it is going to do an even better job in the future of attracting people to Grand County and give them another option while they're traveling here so I wouldn't be in favor of that.
Jacques Hadler:
What else we had GCATT, again, I've advocated for that my whole time on the commission.
Jacques Hadler:
If I assume we're going to cut GCATT in some way and I think it was…I Like that Maddie presented us options.
Jacques Hadler:
If I was to choose one, I wouldn't cut it but if but I think going to option one or two would be preferable.
Jacques Hadler:
I don't like cutting those programs.
Jacques Hadler:
I've seen things like obviously you guys all know that I've run a bike shop on Main Street.
Jacques Hadler:
Think that those biking trail ambassadors have done a really good job for a lot of people.
Jacques Hadler:
It's funny I'm visiting some friends from out of town who actually visited me two years ago and they still have the water bottle their son got from the Trail Ambassadors and they went to mountain bike on Moab Trails 2 y ears ago.
Jacques Hadler:
I was like oh look at that.
Jacques Hadler:
I think things like that go a long way towards attracting and keeping tourists coming into town.
Jacques Hadler:
I firmly believe that they're part of promotion.
Jacques Hadler:
I'll continue to believe that but I guess that's irrelevant to this conversation but I think those are very good programs.
Jacques Hadler:
I think they're extremely important for our tourism economy and for supporting our visitors here and I I would prefer to have a more holistic discussion at the end of the year when it comes to discussing those.
Jacques Hadler:
And there was a third non-essential you listed, Brian.
Jacques Hadler:
I'm sorry, I was taking notes, but I ..
Brian Martinez:
Ones that I have listed here under this is the Museum, RecSSD, and then GCATT.
Jacques Hadler:
Yeah, and similar for the Rec SSD.
Jacques Hadler:
Think it's interesting.
Jacques Hadler:
There's some there's a lot of pass through there to OSTA.
Jacques Hadler:
I served on that.
Jacques Hadler:
A lot of the Rec SSD does really good things like funding youth programs here in in the county that my kids have taken advantage of for sure.
Jacques Hadler:
I don't think we've gotten into what exactly those Rec SSD funds do I don't know if we even could tell what they do.
Jacques Hadler:
But I I don't think we have the time to tell that so I I I like to consider continuing to fund those at the same rate through the end of the year as we had budgeted previously and and take a much deeper dive and really ask the Rec SSD what those funding channels are next year when we're considering funding the Rec SSD.
Jacques Hadler:
I'm finished.
Jacques Hadler:
Thank you, guys.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Mary?
Mary McGann:
Yes.
Mary McGann:
Thank you, Maddie, for giving us three options.
Mary McGann:
I've stated before, I I don't think we need you know, I'm comfortable right now not cutting and holding this holding the course and, you know, seeing where we end up.
Mary McGann:
But if we need to cut and and you you vote cut something, I would like to go with the least amount.
Bill Winfield:
Trish?
Trish Hedin:
I just wanna speak to Rec SSD r eally quick because I did go to the meeting on June 18, and that's 24% of their budget.
Trish Hedin:
Their mineral lease monies have been slowly trending down.
Trish Hedin:
Just so you guys know, you know, the full of that the those monies go to MNO for OSTA and then also their mortgage on on the MRAC, on the aquatic center.
Trish Hedin:
So they could probably next year cut some of their grant programming would be my guess.
Trish Hedin:
I mean, I hate to speak for them, and Mike can speak to them for them.
Trish Hedin:
But, you know, right now, they have obligations that they have to meet, you know, specifically a mortgage on the aquatic center.
Trish Hedin:
And so to cut them now, I just don't think they would you know, I don't think they could survive.
Trish Hedin:
And maybe Mike can add to that.
Bill Winfield:
Mike, go ahead please.
Mike McCurdy:
In short, along with Jacques and Trish here , Recreation Special Services trip has dang near been a pass through for funds back to Grant County and Grand County facilities.
Mike McCurdy:
They cover heavy expenses, they have currently covered heavy expenses at OSTA and like Trish stated MRAC mortgage, it's 2% or 24% of the totality budget and it's $180,000 I think was the rough total on that.
Trish Hedin:
1.37.
Mike McCurdy:
1.37.
Mike McCurdy:
The TRT.
Mike McCurdy:
I mean, we have already seen over half of that, over 50% of that already come back through the Rec district back to Grant County and its facilities and capital improvements.
Mike McCurdy:
But in talking, even in the room, it's very clear that we're all looking at GCATT as a department at the funding cuts there.
Mike McCurdy:
It's hard to speak in any sense about getting rid of people's jobs right now, but it is, as stated in title, cutting essential services is not even a question, it's not even a question across all of us, but it being a non-essential service and we're needing to cut 1,961,000, it's an easier place than cutting something that's needed by our community.
Mike McCurdy:
It's the place to look to.
Bill Winfield:
Brian?
Brian Martinez:
So, I think I'm going come from the stance of, we talk about what we as Grand County can do, but I see this as, you know, this money is representative of all the people inside Grand County.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
These these sales taxes, these are businesses that are down.
Brian Martinez:
These are employees who are getting cut at other businesses.
Brian Martinez:
This is being felt all throughout town right here.
Brian Martinez:
There are a lot of people that are making the same decisions in every little shop down Main Street right now.
Brian Martinez:
And I think that it would be irresponsible of us, because I don't think that the public can afford right now to fund non-essential services.
Brian Martinez:
With that being said, at the same time there's obligations that we have made.
Brian Martinez:
We've made obligations to the museum right now and that's why I was asking about is this going to their operating expenses?
Brian Martinez:
Right, there's obligations that we have made to OSTA they've, or I'm sorry not OSTA, but to the Rec SSD and they're using that money as you guys were saying towards the mortgage on the pool.
Brian Martinez:
So, I mean, there's some very difficult decisions that we have to make and I'd like to see it be made with the scalpel.
Brian Martinez:
I mean, I really appreciate solid waste coming in and having, be honest and saying, yeah, we'd like to maybe we could do something in the rears to where we look at what the actual funds that came in is and take that cut.
Brian Martinez:
I mean, I appreciate the museum coming in and offering up 6% because everybody else in the county is offering up 6%.
Brian Martinez:
And it's just trying to figure out and then Maddie coming in with three different options, right?
Brian Martinez:
It's just we're gonna have to make some tough decisions.
Brian Martinez:
And when I have to make those tough decisions, I think that I would say that it's going to be, you know, that we stick with the obligations that we've made and we make the cuts where we can make them right now.
Bill Winfield:
Any thoughts?
Bill Winfield:
I think that there's a lot of people in this community that appreciate what the trail ambassadors do.
Bill Winfield:
And it's been a battle back and forth.
Bill Winfield:
And I appreciate the fact that Maddie came in with the three options.
Bill Winfield:
I personally think that there should be a fourth option for them too, and that's that we consider moving them into a nonprofit where they come to us for funding just like the museum does, just like some of these other entities do when we need funding or when they need funding and that we have the opportunity to fund that.
Bill Winfield:
And that's one of the suggestions I'd make moving forward is that we start looking for a way for the trail ambassadors to be a nonprofit in this community rather than a part of the county budget.
Bill Winfield:
That entire department is the fourth largest budget in this county, payroll wise.
Bill Winfield:
And it's just time to start looking at where we can make some cuts and none of them are gonna be pleasant anywhere we make them.
Bill Winfield:
So what do we need to do here for a straw poll to give Gabe some direction because we're basically out of time.
Melodie McCandless:
I have one more question.
Melodie McCandless:
And because I didn't have all papers with me while I was driving.
Melodie McCandless:
Very upset I couldn't look at them.
Melodie McCandless:
But when you said you invested in the budget for that 6%, it said it sounded like you guys adjusted the numbers down.
Melodie McCandless:
Did you adjust just that down in every department?
Melodie McCandless:
Yes.
Melodie McCandless:
So it's already you know, Mark sent out an email asking people to try to cut the rest if they can.
Melodie McCandless:
But did you so people are getting their budgets cut automatically in the budget, or you just took the additional and you just took out the capital?
Gabe Woytek:
I'm sorry, I was confused.
Gabe Woytek:
I was talking more about, or I am not into salary and benefits only, but other department expense reductions are not reflected in the current budget.
Melodie McCandless:
Okay, it would just be reflected if they go ahead and find those savings and we'll see you at the end of the year.
Mark Tyner:
That was, the departmental budgets are a separate item from this primarily TRT.
Mark Tyner:
So, we can address those as we move through the rest of the year at any time.
Mark Tyner:
But I did not want to cloud the TRT issue with the individual department cuts that weren't explicitly added to TRT.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah, go ahead, Brian.
Brian Martinez:
I have a question for Gabe once again.
Brian Martinez:
So that number that we're really looking to cut out is right around $500,000 on this TRT.
Brian Martinez:
Is that correct?
Brian Martinez:
Shortfall?
Brian Martinez:
If you set it back was 508,000.
Gabe Woytek:
Right.
Gabe Woytek:
And so, you know, and that number needs to be refined as we discussed.
Gabe Woytek:
I guess I don't know if I quite understand.
Gabe Woytek:
I mean, the question of how much needs to be cut is kind of a
Brian Martinez:
It's a short Yes, from the TRT.
Gabe Woytek:
The shortfall from the TRT mitigation, currently I have at $5.00 8.
Gabe Woytek:
Five zero
Brian Martinez:
Five oh Eight, plus the 120 for the TRCCA.
Gabe Woytek:
Right.
Gabe Woytek:
And then GCATT currently, yeah, I mean, that's that that's kind of its own.
Gabe Woytek:
I don't know how you wanna tie that directly to CRT shortfall or not.
Gabe Woytek:
You know, that's not necessarily the same, but I think that's
Bill Winfield:
I'm gonna suggest people can change their mind if they want, but that we're gonna have to put some items on the next agenda to actually vote on these.
Bill Winfield:
And that's probably where this will finalize, Gabe.
Bill Winfield:
There isn't a decision that can be made in this workshop anyway.
Bill Winfield:
So moving forward, I think we've got to have some items on the next agenda to address where we're gonna go with it.
Brian Martinez:
And just a question, does Gabe need from us right now so that we're set to make those decisions on the next agenda?
Brian Martinez:
Is there anything right now that you need from us So that we can make those decisions.
Gabe Woytek:
Yeah, I think it's just going to be a matter of compiling what the decision points are related to these shortfalls, what other options there are to create room or make or generate cost cutting.
Gabe Woytek:
I think it sounds like perhaps Steven and I and Mark and Quinn should sit down and make that list and decide if there are some, and we can run that by and and sort of create a refined list of of sort of decision points that would be voted on.
Gabe Woytek:
I don't know if I it it sounds like essential services will that those won't be considered for a vote.
Gabe Woytek:
Is that would that be fair as far as moving moving forward?
Mark Tyner:
Correct.
Mark Tyner:
Okay.
Gabe Woytek:
So it'll be focused on…
Gabe Woytek:
It'll be focused on the nonessential services.
Gabe Woytek:
Will it also be focused on just general county departments?
Gabe Woytek:
You know, is there a desire to follow-up additional cuts to county departments, or should we just stick with, basically, you know, I mean, Museum, Recreation special service district and GCATT I see are, like, the three main, you know, votes, so to speak, with different with varying options available.
Gabe Woytek:
But how how much further we wanna go beyond there?
Bill Winfield:
And where, I guess, can we go beyond there realistically?
Gabe Woytek:
I don't think I have a good answer for that right now, I don't I don't there's not a lot of Really bright ideas that pop up.
Trish Hedin:
It's one one thing you've mentioned, and I think we've talked about this a little bit is, you know, not filling vacancies.
Trish Hedin:
Right?
Trish Hedin:
And I don't know how much that would affect the budget.
Trish Hedin:
Anyways.
Gabe Woytek:
Thank you for that.
Gabe Woytek:
That is an option.
Gabe Woytek:
Thank you for bringing that up.
Trish Hedin:
I don't know, I'm just kind of throwing that out.
Trish Hedin:
We have a lot of vacancies and I don't know how much that would help, and some of them obviously are essential, but some of them may not be.
Trish Hedin:
And I know we've kind of sent out that list and talked about it a little bit, but maybe we talk about that again.
Trish Hedin:
I don't know if that's of interest to you guys.
Bill Winfield:
We probably should have that list and maybe we could circulate that amongst the commissioners.
Bill Winfield:
I don't think there'd be a problem with doing that ahead of time.
Bill Winfield:
Right.
Brian Martinez:
I mean, I know this is a little bit off topic, but I think it's valid right now.
Brian Martinez:
I think that in the future, forward, if we did have performance reviews aired for the budget, I think it would make some of these decisions here.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
If we understood each position and where we where the cuts might be the easiest, let's just say, for the county.
Brian Martinez:
And that's something that we might want to start looking at around now to get those performance reviews and so that come the budget season we're ready with that because I do think this is something that's going to continue t hrough the departments.
Brian Martinez:
Unless t here's a change, I think right now, I think our most forthcoming or the way that we could move the most active right now is to make sure that we're looking forward to how we're going be making those cuts come budget system.
Bill Winfield:
Maybe Mark, if we could get some guidance on how that would play out.
Bill Winfield:
I agree that I think it was Mary that stated that maybe it was somebody else.
Bill Winfield:
We definitely have to be prepared for next year to have some realistic approach to how this financial, I guess not a recession, but depression, whatever we wanna call it.
Bill Winfield:
If that continues on, we've we've gotta be able to look forward.
Bill Winfield:
We can't continue to drop down a savings account to justify just keeping the status quo.
Gabe Woytek:
Yeah.
Gabe Woytek:
And I know, like, I know that it wasn't really well liked, you know, I think by yourself, Chair, in particular, last budget season, that that sort of that budgeting to overspend as much as we did.
Gabe Woytek:
So I'm imagining that this commission as it's currently comprises it wont want to g o as far as we did.
Gabe Woytek:
And so that's going to be a big factor.
Gabe Woytek:
It is.
Gabe Woytek:
And so I want to be realistic with you.
Bill Winfield:
That is gonna change with every budget within and I appreciate it because it was a battle.
Bill Winfield:
You know?
Bill Winfield:
And we went from an 800,000 over budget to, like, I believe a million or a little over a million and felt that that was acceptable.
Bill Winfield:
And now some of that's coming back to haunt us right here.
Bill Winfield:
So thank you, Gabe.
Bill Winfield:
And unless there's anything else, I think that I'm ready to adjourn unless somebody's got anything.
Bill Winfield:
Alright, we'll take a brief recess and we will come back at 04:00.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
We will open the board of equalization meeting first, and then we've got an MBA meeting, and then we will get to our regular commission meeting just so everybody in the audience and online understands.
Bill Winfield:
So starting with the Board of Equalization meeting, both President are Commissioner Haddin, Commissioner McCurdy, Commissioner Martinez, Commissioner McCandless, myself, Commissioner Winfield, with Commissioner Hadler and Commissioner McGann.
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Bill Winfield:
Online.
Bill Winfield:
So to start with, we on the board of equalization, we will need an approval of the meeting minutes for May 6 and 05/20/2025.
Brian Martinez:
I moved to approve the minutes of May 6 and May 2025.
Bill Winfield:
Motion by Commissioner Martinez seconded by Commissioner McCurdy.
Bill Winfield:
Any discussion on that?
Bill Winfield:
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote.
Bill Winfield:
All in favor of approving the minutes.
Jacques Hadler:
Aye.
Jacques Hadler:
Jacques, aye.
Bill Winfield:
Yep.
Bill Winfield:
I got you, Jaques.
Bill Winfield:
Mary, we're waiting for you.
Bill Winfield:
I will do that with that passing six with one absent commissioner again.
Bill Winfield:
S he'll probably catch up with this online there eventually.
Bill Winfield:
And moving on then would be the approval of the settlement agreement between Club Utah resort group LLC and Brian P.
Bill Winfield:
Edwards and Grand County.
Bill Winfield:
Yes, Mike.
Mike McCurdy:
So moved.
Bill Winfield:
Motion by Commissioner McCurdy.
Bill Winfield:
I have a second.
Melodie McCandless:
I'll second.
Bill Winfield:
Second by Commissioner McCann, was any further discussion on the s ettlement agreement?
Stephen Stocks:
Just again, for folks listening in, this is a stipulated settlement agreement.
Stephen Stocks:
The assessors reviewed this.
Stephen Stocks:
I reviewed this as well.
Stephen Stocks:
This came from negotiation with his counsel, and this amount brings up the valuation and lowers it to a point that's a fair outcome for the case.
Stephen Stocks:
The alternative for this would be every year if there was challenged assessed values, we would go in front of the Utah Tax Commission and have that be handled.
Stephen Stocks:
The assessor is not here, I knew she was supportive of this.
Stephen Stocks:
We've discussed this as well.
Stephen Stocks:
We believe that this is a fair outcome for resolution of all these appeals that went up.
Stephen Stocks:
And as you note in the stipulated settlement document, there was a number of different houses and bungalows.
Stephen Stocks:
And so I think there is quite a few, think it's 18 or 19 in total.
Stephen Stocks:
All of those valuations were appealed, all of them will be resolved.
Stephen Stocks:
Any questions?
Bill Winfield:
All r ight, thanks for all that clarification.
Bill Winfield:
I appreciate the insight with you and the assessor.
Bill Winfield:
So I'll call for a vote on that.
Bill Winfield:
All in favor of the settlement agreement between Club Utah and Grand County and Mr.
Bill Winfield:
Edwards.
Jacques Hadler:
Aye.
Bill Winfield:
Mary, are you online with us for this vote?
Bill Winfield:
You're muted if you're trying to speak, Mary.
Bill Winfield:
All right.
Bill Winfield:
We'll pass that one with the six to the six with one absent vote with commissioner McGann still not online with us.
Bill Winfield:
And with that, I will adjourn the Board of Equalization meeting, and we will move on to the public notice regarding the municipal building authority, and that we'll have the same commissioners present as were previously mentioned in the Board of Equalization with who on Zoom, Commissioner McGann and Commissioner Hadler.
Bill Winfield:
And with that, I'll also invite up Marcus Keller.
Bill Winfield:
Keller, sorry, I forgot your last name, but please come on up and you can help us through this one.
Bill Winfield:
Excellent.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, commissioner.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
And my apologies on your name.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Oh, no.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
No worries at all.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So my name is Marcus Keller.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
I work with Cruise and Associates.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
We're acting as financial advisor to the county, and in this case, the Municipal Building Authority, as you look to issue bonds to finance your fire truck.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So today, what we're going to be discussing, it's actually a little interesting this process, but maybe I can just give you a few seconds the history of how this came to be and what all it entails.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So a couple months ago or may not even have been that long, when was the last CIB meeting?
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Think
Bill Winfield:
It was actually June 5, I believe.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Okay.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So just about a month ago then, the county or the authority, so the municipal building authority of Grand County received authorization from CIB loan terms in order to finance this fire truck.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Typically, is a great place to get your funding from because it's usually subsidized rates, terms, so on and so forth.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
In this case, just to give everyone a reminder, you received fifteen years at 1% for 1,422,000 of loan authorization.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
And so great, great news.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Just to kind of put that into perspective, if you were to go into the private markets to get that today, you'd be upwards of 4%, 4.5% on a similar security.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So even though this is going to be a short term financing because it's intended to get reimbursed in the next couple of years from the FAA to pay off these bonds in full, you're gonna be saving several thousand dollars of interest over that time.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So congratulations to the authority, to the county for helping save some money by going through CIB.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So in order to issue or get access to that money, that's what we're doing here today, you have to issue these financial securities in the form of a bond.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
As we've talked to Gabe, as Dana, kind of the whole team, Quinn, Mark, everyone involved, the typical process and type of bond that CIB wants you to issue for this would be a lease revenue bond.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
We do this and it's something that's issued through the municipal building authority.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
And that way, just to give you a little background without going into the weeds, unless you'd like for me to, the lease revenue bond is kind of a lesser credit, if that makes sense.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So if you ever were to go to the market, you had a sales tax bond and a lease revenue bond, the sales tax bond would be a better credit and receive lower interest rates, whereas the lease revenue bond and lesser credit would receive higher interest rates just based off the security.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
In this case, with CIB purchasing the bonds, they don't care.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So it's gonna be 1% whether it's a sales tax bond or a lease revenue bond.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So in the county, to your to your benefit, say, great.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
We'll do the lease revenue bond because we're not gonna get penalized with a higher rate.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So everyone kind of walks away from that happy, and it saves the county long term to be able to give you more options if additional financings come up.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So as today, so today you have before you for the Municipal Building Authority, Later today at around 06:00 or when you get to agenda item, I believe, you'll have a similar resolution.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
It'll be the exact same thing, except you'll be voting on it as the county versus the municipal building authority.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
But language, everything else will be the same.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So I may step out a little bit before then, but just so you know, exact same verbiage, just now you're acting as the authority, later today you'll be acting as the county.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So if there's any questions, happy to answer on those.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Today's resolution, what you would be adopting is your parameters resolution.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Now, the parameters set today are gonna be different than what's been authorized, and I'll explain that here in a second.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So in the authorizing resolution or parameters resolution for the authority, you'll be adopting up to $1,800,000 up to seventeen years, up to a max interest rate of 5%, and up to a 98% discount.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
And why I say up to and kind of emphasize that a little bit, we do this so that it gives you flexibility.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So for some reason, let's say the fire truck came in and was a little bit over cost, instead of having to go through this entire process again and through another public hearing, public notice, the authorized representatives would just have the ability to increase that without having to go another six ks period to do it.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So, gives you a little flexibility there, but the intent and 99% likelihood is that we will be issuing the bonds as described by CID.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
And if anything were to change off of that, then we would come back to the county before anything goes further, but we just like flexibility, and again, this is Recommended to us from CID as well.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
And so, this resolution would set those parameters, it would start a thirty day contest period, it would also call for a public hearing.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
That public hearing was scheduled, I believe, for August 5, and at that time members of the public can come speak to it.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
If they have any issues, questions, concerns, they could ask those at that time as well.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
After the public hearing date, then you would be authorized to close those bonds and receive funding into a PTIF account to pay for that fire truck.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So, kind of the short of it is this is just the first step to get the ball rolling in that process.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Sorry, I probably spoke too much, but is there any questions, concerns at this point?
Bill Winfield:
I don't have any, but if I could, I skipped or missed the approval of the meeting minutes, let me back up.
Bill Winfield:
I'm sorry.
Bill Winfield:
Like come forward with this one and I apologize.
Bill Winfield:
So if I could get somebody to make a motion for the approval of the meeting minutes from the meeting of 05/1927.
Bill Winfield:
5.172022.
Mike McCurdy:
I'd like to make the motion.
Mike McCurdy:
I approve the minutes from the meeting 05/2022.
Bill Winfield:
Motion by commissioner McCurdy seconded by commissioner Martinez.
Bill Winfield:
Does anybody have any discussion on those minutes?
Bill Winfield:
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote.
Bill Winfield:
All in favor of approving the minutes from the meeting of 05/17/2022.
Jacques Hadler:
Aye.
Bill Winfield:
Mary, are you with us now?
Bill Winfield:
Alright, not getting a response.
Bill Winfield:
We will approve those minutes six with one absent, commissioner McGann absent.
Bill Winfield:
Moving on then, we will look for and look for a motion on the approval as stated by Mr.
Bill Winfield:
Keller.
Bill Winfield:
Can you repeat the parameters?
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Yes, absolutely.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
So the parameters that would be adopted today are 1,800,000.0 up to seventeen years, a max interest rate of 5%, and a discount rate which won't come into play here, but a discount rate of up to 98%.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
And do you need the financing terms as well on what you're currently approved and okay, you have that?
Brian Martinez:
I'm just imagining that we needed to put those parameters inside the motion.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Okay, perfect.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Yep.
Brian Martinez:
Go ahead, Melodie.
Melodie McCandless:
Okay, so I will make a motion.
Melodie McCandless:
I move to approve the resolution authorizing the issuance and sale of not more than 1,800,000 aggregate principal amount of leased revenue bonds, since 2025, delegating a certain to certain officers of the municipal billing authority.
Melodie McCandless:
The power to approve the final terms and provisions of the bonds within the parameters set forth therein, fixing the maximum aggregate principal amount of the bonds, the maximum number of years, which was seventeen over which the bonds may mature, the maximum interest rate with the bonds may bear, which is 1.8.
Melodie McCandless:
Around 5%.
Melodie McCandless:
Oh, 5%.
Melodie McCandless:
5.8.
Melodie McCandless:
Oh, it's 5%.
Melodie McCandless:
And the maximum discount from par at which the bond may be sold.
Melodie McCandless:
Providing for the and that is how much?
Bill Winfield:
98%.
Melodie McCandless:
98%.
Melodie McCandless:
Yeah.
Melodie McCandless:
Providing for the publication of a notice of public hearing and bonds to be issued, providing for the running of a contest period, authorizing the execution by the authority of a master resolution and annual renewable master lease agreement, security documents that the documents necessary for the issuance of the bonds authorizing can take from all of the other actions necessary for the consumption of the transactions contemplated b y t he resolution and related matters.
Brian Martinez:
I'll second.
Bill Winfield:
Motion.
Bill Winfield:
Good job.
Bill Winfield:
Seconded by commissioner Martinez.
Bill Winfield:
We have any further discussion.
Bill Winfield:
Seeing not all call for a vote those in favor of.
Bill Winfield:
The consideration of approval of the authorization of the 1.8.
Bill Winfield:
On for the fire and those in favor.
Jacques Hadler:
Aye.
Mary McGann:
Aye.
Mary McGann:
Mary McGann.
Bill Winfield:
Yep.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, Mary.
Bill Winfield:
That passes unanimously.
Bill Winfield:
And with that, I will adjourn this meeting.
Bill Winfield:
Excellent.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you for your Time, Mr.
Bill Winfield:
Keller.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
And Mister Martinez, there's another lengthy one in a couple hours.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
You get to read that one.
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
Right?
Marcus Keller from Crews and Associates:
T hanks, e verybody.
Bill Winfield:
I will call to order our regular commission meeting here if we do all stand for this.
Bill Winfield:
Alright, thank you for that and we will start off with our regular 04:00 citizens to be heard and we will start in the Commission chambers.
Bill Winfield:
Do we have any volunteers?
Bill Winfield:
Yes, sir.
Bill Winfield:
Please come forward.
Bill Winfield:
State your name and The request a three minute.
Bill Winfield:
Or less conversation.
Bill Winfield:
You.
Dave Bodner, public comment:
My name is Dave Bodner.
Dave Bodner, public comment:
Talking about high density.
Dave Bodner, public comment:
Anything you do that makes it more difficult for Grand County workers to get housing is the wrong thing to do.
Dave Bodner, public comment:
We don't need people in Monticello, Blanding, Green River buying up this property.
Dave Bodner, public comment:
My second point is, instead of wasting $60,000 on a time entry study, how about investigating gas prices in Moab?
Dave Bodner, public comment:
It's consistently 50% cheaper in Grand Junction.
Dave Bodner, public comment:
Or 50¢.
Dave Bodner, public comment:
That's all I g ot.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, sir.
Bill Winfield:
Anybody else?
Bill Winfield:
Yes, please.
Bill Winfield:
Ms.
Bill Winfield:
Myers.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
Hello, Commission.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
Caitlin Myers speaking on behalf, not on behalf of any entity.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
So, my opinions are informed by but wanting to speak on HDHO and on the discussion about multifamily going to 45 units per acre.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
First with, submitted a comment to you kind of reiterating I support this.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
I really appreciate the approach that the subcommittee took.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
On this.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
I think we found a really great compromise, really explored a lot of ideas.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
So I'm feeling really hopeful.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
I would encourage you as you're considering tonight.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
I think that the ownership occupancy is a big conversation.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
I think everyone kind of falls in different parts on that.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
I think that what is proposed that first option is a really good compromise to see how kind of pilot how it works to open up for occupancy.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
I, since I was on staff, have always stood by occupancy over ownership.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
So I think particularly as the market has continued to shift, I think opening it up and continuing to explore ways to support development, I think it's a great idea.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
I think having kind of easing into that is going to give more opportunities to see how enforcement works with housing authority.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
So I've heard some concerns that that might make it more complicated to go to occupancy.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
So, yeah, I would encourage you to consider taking that approach rather than cutting or sticking to it entirely and just exploring that.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
Relatedly, I know that we've also had conversations about HB 37.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
I'm really interested to watch the discussion tonight about the multifamily residential zone and would love to talk about that subcommittee.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
I think there's been lots of studies and conversations about density would be a big thing for our community.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
So, not taking a stance, but definitely want to be involved in those conversations.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
Yeah, I think the way the Commission's approaching housing is collaborative and responsive to what we're seeing and please continue to keep me involved in those conversations.
Kaitlin Myers, public comment:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Yes, Mr.
Bill Winfield:
O'Brien.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
Bob O'Brien from Castle Valley for the Record.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
I've written you all regarding the two elements of the HDHO planned amendments or proposed amendments for tonight.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
I'm going to comment on these items now, and I'm just going to give you a summary of what I've kind of sent to you before.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
20% open market and actively employed households split for the HDHO housing ownership wasn't just pulled out of the hat.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
It was a well vetted agreement made after community members and developers commented on the HDHO in several workshops and also in the public hearings.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
Changing this agreement, I believe, is unfair to the citizens who agreed to sacrifice increased density in their neighborhoods and to workers who deserve 80% of all of this opportunity.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
So I want them to have that 80% opportunity, not just 56% opportunity to own, deed restricted houses.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
The program was designed to increase opportunity for home ownership by workers in Grand County and extended then to the local people in Spanish Valley, the 84532 zip code, and under the current amendment, it would extend to Monticello, Green River and Blandy at 75 miles from the intersection of Center And Main Street.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
This is not what was agreed to when citizens agreed to increase neighborhood density in Grand County.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
The current amendment would also make 44% of the houses built for ownership under the HDHO open housing, in the open housing market with only 56 reserved for local workers.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
This is not the 20%, 80% agreed in exchange for increased neighborhood density.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
I'm going to emphasize the importance of ownership.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
Ownership is an important way for local workers to build wealth and at least some financial security, for some of course it's part of the American dream.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
I urge you not to approve these two HDHO amendments.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
They would decrease the percentage of housing reserved for ownership by workers and allow workers outside of Grand County and Spanish Valley portion of San Juan County to be eligible for such housing rather than reserving it for this home ownership for our local workers.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, Mr.
Bill Winfield:
O'Brien.
Bill Winfield:
Do we have anybody else?
Bill Winfield:
Yes, please.
Bill Winfield:
Step up , introduce yourself.
Pete Gross, public comment:
Oh, yes.
Pete Gross, public comment:
My name is Pete Gross.
Pete Gross, public comment:
Thank you.
Pete Gross, public comment:
I submitted written comments regarding the HDHO proposed amendments.
Pete Gross, public comment:
I won't belabor that.
Pete Gross, public comment:
Also, Bob O'Brien said covers it far more eloquently, far more thoroughly than I could.
Pete Gross, public comment:
I just want to add, though, that stay with the intent of the original HDHO.
Pete Gross, public comment:
The second thing I want to mention, the $60,000 study on Arches timed entry.
Pete Gross, public comment:
First of all, even if this is very dubious that it would even if that study confirms your perception that time entry is detrimental to Moab.
Pete Gross, public comment:
The NPS has a different mandate.
Pete Gross, public comment:
Arches is owned by the entire country, not Grand County.
Pete Gross, public comment:
The NPS mandate is to preserve and protect these lands for future generations.
Pete Gross, public comment:
So, if it does, if the $60,000 amount of taxpayer money you want to spend, I think, waste on this study, it's not likely to have any difference in the outcome.
Pete Gross, public comment:
On a related note to that, I thought if I were coming to visit Moab, okay, I'd be looking at where am I going to stay, where am I going to eat, etcetera.
Pete Gross, public comment:
And if Arches were on my agenda too, it's very simple.
Pete Gross, public comment:
Arches, you go to one place, dollars 2 for your entry thing, you made your reservation and most people are able to get their first choice pretty much readily.
Pete Gross, public comment:
Whereas, if you're trying to figure out where you want to stay, you could end up there are so many different options of motels, hotels, glamping, camping.
Pete Gross, public comment:
You could spend a couple of hours trying to figure out where am I going to stay and where am I going to eat.
Pete Gross, public comment:
Are you going to go to City Market and go buy food or Bill's Market or someplace else?
Pete Gross, public comment:
Anyway, the reservations are not even the least bit onerous compared to all the other decisions you have to make to come visit Moab.
Pete Gross, public comment:
So anyway, thank you for your time.
Pete Gross, public comment:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Yes, please.
Laura Long, public comment:
Hi, Laura Long, speaking as a citizen of Grant County.
Laura Long, public comment:
I am here to talk about the HDHO and I might be beating a little bit of a dead horse, but just to reiterate the intention of the HDHO was to give developers a huge density increase in exchange for 80% local ownership.
Laura Long, public comment:
And so that way it would give us people who work here in Grand County a shot at owning a home and building a life here in the community that we care about.
Laura Long, public comment:
The changes that you're about to vote on tonight weaken the original deal and its intention by cutting ownership protections and letting more homes be owned by outsiders as long as they rent to locals.
Laura Long, public comment:
And that sounds great on paper but the problem with that is that it keeps people in this community as renters instead of owners and we're not able to build equity or financial security in the community that we care about.
Laura Long, public comment:
Also the 75 mile radius increase just increases competition for people that don't live here, for the people that do live here, and now we have to outbid people in Monticello and Green River and wherever else.
Laura Long, public comment:
So there's all that and then there's also an article written in the Times Independent in 2023 where a handful of developers including the Murphy Flats developers stated that the costs of building in Moab were around $350 per square foot and that was the bottom of the barrel and that's with low grade finishes and I highly doubt they included costs of excavating on a hillside in those numbers.
Laura Long, public comment:
So to me it seems like after reading that article the builders in Grant County at least somewhat know what they're getting themselves into when it comes to building housing in Grant County and I don't think it's fair to change a county wide affordable housing policy because of cost overruns on certain projects.
Laura Long, public comment:
It's also pretty unusual and rare that we even got to pass this HTHO considering the state of Utah's track Record on overriding policy like this.
Laura Long, public comment:
Honestly, I'm pretty surprised that they aren't tearing it apart right now and to me it feels like we're diluting one of the only tools that we have here in Grand County that support the local workforce here and I really hope that you guys reject the changes and keep it as originally written.
Laura Long, public comment:
You all ran on affordable housing in your campaigns and I think this is a chance for you guys to follow through on that promise to your constituents.
Laura Long, public comment:
Thanks.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Do we have anybody else?
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Dennis Silva:
Good afternoon.
Dennis Silva:
My name is Dennis Silva, I live in Grand County.
Dennis Silva:
This revision that you're proposing reminded me of a long ago citizens to be heard that I was part of, and a man named Mitch Shively or Mitch Shumway was disappointed in changing an ordinance that had already been established, and he suggested that the commission was acting like a ricocheting bullet.
Dennis Silva:
Couldn't tell where it was gonna go next.
Dennis Silva:
And this is a similar situation, I mean, you're proposing affordable housing and now you're taking it away if you change to this lower percentage for people working in the county, and I don't think, I don't support it at all, and I thank Bob and Laura for d etailing both of You.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, sir.
Bill Winfield:
Do you have anything else?
Mary Moran, public comment:
My name is Mary Moran.
Mary Moran, public comment:
And I just want to reiterate some of the things that have been said concerning the HL amendments.
Mary Moran, public comment:
I think that some of the proposed changes seem good, as the one affecting the ease of obtaining home loans, but I am concerned about lowering the number of housing units to be sold to the working in our community, for one of the reasons other people said.
Mary Moran, public comment:
But another point is just that if you do lower the percentage, it it means that the houses cost more because it changes the market.
Mary Moran, public comment:
The idea is that if you have more units that are only available to working people, it lowers the market a little bit for those slots because it can't be bought up by the developer from anywhere else in the world.
Mary Moran, public comment:
And, my second point is to consider the difficulty of enforcing who lives in the housing units that are bought by outside developers, but required to be rented to local workers.
Mary Moran, public comment:
What if the unit is empty?
Mary Moran, public comment:
Is it because the new owners couldn't find a renter, maybe because they were asking too much rent, Or is it because they had no intention to rent it and they're just using it as a vacation home for a couple of weeks a year?
Mary Moran, public comment:
That's something that's really hard to enforce.
Mary Moran, public comment:
You'd have to catch them staying there.
Mary Moran, public comment:
Even if you did, you could argue they were there just working on the place to get ready to rent.
Mary Moran, public comment:
Anyone living in Moab or Grand County can probably name some unethical zoning violations or other ordinance violations.
Mary Moran, public comment:
People renting out their homes for a week here and there, renting out a separate undisclosed apartment in their house without paying the taxes to do that.
Mary Moran, public comment:
Lighting installed in new construction violates the dark scandal in that.
Mary Moran, public comment:
Owners of second homes that declare them as primary residences for tax purposes, etcetera.
Mary Moran, public comment:
So it's hard to enforce stuff.
Mary Moran, public comment:
I think keeping that in mind is very important.
Mary Moran, public comment:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, ma'am.
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Bill Winfield:
Please come forward.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
Record, Mary O'Brien with Castle Valley.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
I don't know how many of you own homes, but if you do, you probably understand the numerous benefits of that.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
For fourteen years, my husband and I rented homes.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
And finally, when I was 36, we were able to buy an 800 square foot home in which our two children grew up with us.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
We sold that home and now own an eight fifty square foot home in Castle Valley.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
The full ownership of a home brings a security and stability and a greater likelihood of engaging in the local community than renting.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
The HDAO was crafted in the interest of creating a market for our local workforce to own homes.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
It's working.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
I know that some of you on this commission have looked into this and affirm that HDHO developments are being constructed and are about to be constructed.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
Provisions to the HDHO that help workers borrow money to buy their homes here in Grand County are good.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
But two proposed revisions only make it harder for local workers to buy their home here.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
First, the propOSTAl to allow anyone anywhere to own 44% of the HTHO houses, reducing the portion that must be owned by local workers from 80% to 56%.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
And secondly, the propOSTAl to redefine the word local work to mean work in Blanding, Monticello, and Green River rather than Grand County.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
Neither of these two revisions honor the HDHO project that was agreed to by developers around here.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
Neither of these two revisions promote work in Grand County.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
Hopefully, at least four of you will vote to help, not work against the people who work here in Grand County.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
The nurses, construction workers, service workers, firefighters, police, teachers, in short, those whose lives and contributions are invested in Grand County.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
Hopefully, a t l east four of you will abide by your campaign rhetoric that you were gonna work to make housing affordable for those who work in and contribute to Grand County.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
In the case of your vote on these two provisions, whom you serve will be obvious and on your record as a commissioner.
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Do we have anybody else in the commission?
Bill Winfield:
Yes, please come forward.
Bill Winfield:
Introduce yourself.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
I'm Allison Mathis.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
I live here in Moab.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
A couple of comments.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
First off, as many people have been talking about the high density overlay, I believe that the two proposed changes weakens the whole idea of this and will make it harder for ordinary workers to be able to afford a home.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
Both of those changes, changes the definition of local and changing the proportion will make housing more expensive and will price more people out and go totally against the idea of the HDHO.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
So I'm urging you to oppose that.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
Secondly, I want to add a little bit more about the timed entry study.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
I've worked in visitor services.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
I know how the national park is going to work.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
The existence of the timed entry does not mean people are not coming to Moab.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
What it does mean is that people are having quality experiences going into the park and going to enjoy the town.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
If you're trying to get to Arches and you gotta wait in line for however long, you're wasting your time.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
Whereas if you get a ticket and you know, you can get in at 02:00, you can go out in the morning and go to Corona Arch or something and enjoy yourself.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
And also as a local, the time entry means that during the season, I get to go into Arches because I can get my ticket and I can go in and not have to waste a bunch of time standing in line, which really matters when I have family and friends or just I wanna get in the choice.
Allison Mathis, public comment:
So thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Yes, please.
Saxon Sharpe, public comment:
Saxon Sharpe in Moab, and I submitted a letter to you, won't go over that, it's about the HDHO.
Saxon Sharpe, public comment:
I'd just like to reiterate that I agree with what everyone else is saying in here, particularly keeping the 80/20% ratio and then keeping the 84532 .
Saxon Sharpe, public comment:
And another thing I was thinking about is if you change those, it seems like it starts the commission down a slippery slope.
Saxon Sharpe, public comment:
What happens if investors who are either who've either bought the 20% or the 30% come to you and say, well, I can't rent my place under these restrictions.
Saxon Sharpe, public comment:
Are you going to then say, well, we're going to lose that and further erode the HDHO concept?
Saxon Sharpe, public comment:
So those are my comments, thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Do we have anybody else in the chamber?
Bill Winfield:
Yes, please.
Laura Harris, public comment:
Hi everybody, I'm Lauren Harris.
Laura Harris, public comment:
I'm here as an individual but will say that I participated in the affordable housing subcommittee that we discussed in the subcommittee about group in the previous months.
Laura Harris, public comment:
I appreciate the collaboration that we've been able to create between all of us.
Laura Harris, public comment:
I just wanted to add a couple of points.
Laura Harris, public comment:
I was the main enforcer of the administration of the HDHO program for two and a half years at HASU, as the program was up and running, and from what I discovered, it works somewhat well.
Laura Harris, public comment:
However, there are many challenges to the monitoring and constant upkeep.
Laura Harris, public comment:
I think it takes a lot of education for all of the occupants and all of the individuals who are moving into the homes.
Laura Harris, public comment:
It takes a lot of high level delegation between property managers and potentially future investors and owners of these homes.
Laura Harris, public comment:
And so I would like that to be very clear that enforcement needs to be a very important part of this action if that is the intention to have local people who are living in these homes.
Laura Harris, public comment:
I really would like to reiterate that.
Laura Harris, public comment:
Second, when we're looking at the pipeline of what the HTHO units that we have currently vested, there are already about 130 units between two properties, one of which is under construction and one has been vested for a while, 130 fully rental occupancy products.
Laura Harris, public comment:
And so I just do want to keep that in mind as we're talking about changing potential ownership to occupancy, just Recognizing that in the grand scheme of numbers, we do already have many opportunities for this rental occupancy.
Laura Harris, public comment:
And so I would encourage you to think critically about whether we would like to make smaller the distribution of HDHO pipeline products for actual local owners.
Laura Harris, public comment:
So that's all, thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Do we have anybody else in the chamber that would like to speak?
Bill Winfield:
Yes, please.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
I am Brittany Melton.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
I want to talk a couple of things.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
So I heard a bunch of comments, and I want to go to housing for just first.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
So there is, they just sent out a survey, and I can't remember if it's Kaitlin's group or what, but it talked about how much of your paycheck goes towards your housing, but what it doesn't break down is cost of ownership, and so there's multiple people out there that would be one, you know, small little water problem, like with a, you new washer or dryer or those types of things that would really hurt them, and that's why typically a lot of people like to rent.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
Multiple businesses provide housing for their employees.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
I'm even one of them.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
And so not everybody is a homeowner at the end of the day.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
It doesn't mean that we don't need to strive towards that, but we definitely have a lot of opportunity in allowing for a little more flexibility.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
Also, if you want to save some money and not spend the 60,000, accept the study that was there.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
The purpose of that 60,000 is to prove those numbers.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
So I think that that's important to understand because that report either needs to be validated or completely invalidated or accepted.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
My opinion on that, and I do pledge my allegiance to The United States and that flag, even though some of us don't.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
That's important for me to at least be aware of what government should provide.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
And to me, it's safety and protection.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
And with government in general, they get a lot of, especially you guys, you guys are over a budget.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
And my thought with that is you need to stick to essential services and what is important for the constituents and who's living here.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
So when we look at using money, I think GCATT's great.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
However, I don't know that that's essential in what you guys have.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
So I think there's plenty of nonprofits out there that could pick that up and say, let's go to the Red Rock Four-Wheelers or let's go to the River Guides and let's go to these different groups and try to create something great.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
But I'm still trying to understand why county money is going to go against what every, I mean, we need safety, we need protection, we need infrastructure.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
We got to go back to essential.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
So that's just my comments.
Brittany Melton, public comment:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Do we have anyone else?
Bill Winfield:
How about online?
Bill Winfield:
Do we have anybody online that would like to speak citizens to be heard?
Bill Winfield:
Seeing nobody online, I will then go to this gentleman here.
Jon Kovash, public comment:
Hi, I'm John Kovash and been affordable housing advocate for many many years.
Jon Kovash, public comment:
Just on you, the ordinance in front of you, I don't understand why it got watered down.
Jon Kovash, public comment:
I don't even you weren't even the council that originated this concept, Robert, correct me if I'm wrong, but you know personally I would be happy if ultimately the category of HDOs, HTHOs be revisited you know, because, I, in the three towns in the writing reported on local government slash housing issues, everybody jumped right away on, distracted from the developers, you know, and it's never really worked out that great in any of these towns, you know, a big part of it is that you're going to the wrong people who aren't motivated to do this, you know, they're motivated to participate in the local economy and build market rate stuff, know, and you can't blame them.
Jon Kovash, public comment:
But, you know, in Moab, it's been kind of a sad track Record for how much private developers have succeeded here.
Jon Kovash, public comment:
I mean, think of Walnut Lane trailer fiasco as an example, where I mean it's been six years they were going to have a public private partnership to replace those trailers with new construction.
Jon Kovash, public comment:
Six years and I don't know how many times they struck out, they, you know, nobody came forward you know with a price that worked for the project, and in contrast we've seen very dramatic success from the nonprofit/government sector that, and I just ask you all to to not get too focused on the on the incentives when we have some other really promising avenues for for day one housing.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Good.
Bill Winfield:
So that's it.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Do we have anybody else in the chamber?
Bill Winfield:
About online, is there anybody else online that would like to speak to a citizen to be heard?
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
With that, we will move on then.
Bill Winfield:
We have an agency report for us.
Bill Winfield:
We've got some gentlemen here.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Bruce.
Bill Winfield:
Good to meet you.
Bill Winfield:
Many of you as one are welcome to come up and sit there if you want to part heads today.
Bruce Jenkins:
Matt might share with us.
Bruce Jenkins:
I'm sitting next to you.
Bruce Jenkins:
I'm Grand County Fire Warden, Bruce Jenkins.
Bruce Jenkins:
I work for Forestry Fire State Lands.
Bruce Jenkins:
And Matt is our Southeast Area Manager.
Bruce Jenkins:
Have Rudy Sandvall from Price.
Bruce Jenkins:
He's our Southeast Area Choir Management Officer.
Bruce Jenkins:
And t hen Isaac Engelhardt is my new engine operator so that we can operate a type six engine to go to fires.
Bruce Jenkins:
What I would like to provide for you today is kind of like 2024 's updates.
Bruce Jenkins:
What happened in 2024 and what's possibly gonna what it's gonna look like for 2025.
Bruce Jenkins:
Our cooperative wildfire system is the agreement that we do with our entities to help establish a way to go forward with fire mitigation prevention and preparedness.
Bruce Jenkins:
So, Matt's going to talk a little bit later about the new for 2025 CWS program, but I'm going to touch base on that 2024 updates.
Bruce Jenkins:
Our MOUs that are signed with the entities which County, Moab Valley, Castle Valley, and we have another participating entity and that's Grand County EMS.
Bruce Jenkins:
So, with working with the departments, it's our, we put out the effort to, with our agreements, and our common objective is to suppress wildland fires.
Bruce Jenkins:
So, to give you an idea, NWCG is our national wildfire coordinating group that provides the standard and forest fire state lands make sure the standard is within these departments.
Bruce Jenkins:
So, just to give you an idea, we red card them with their qualifications so they can go out and fire.
Bruce Jenkins:
Grand County EMS currently has 15 red carded drugs.
Bruce Jenkins:
With their medical qualifications and their fire qualifications, they can go online fire lines to provide that medical assistance there.
Bruce Jenkins:
Moab Valley Fire Department has 17 red card firefighters.
Bruce Jenkins:
This includes three engine bosses, which qualifies an engine, an apparatus to be qualified with their personnel, and they can go nationally, locally.
Bruce Jenkins:
They have some trainees, so they have some ICT for fire and firefighter type one trainees, they have three of those, and then of course two water tender operators, so they have water tenders that are in the fire rate agreements.
Bruce Jenkins:
Castle Valley Fire District currently has no red carded folks, but they maintain all required training and equipment inspections.
Bruce Jenkins:
So, department personnel, The work capacity test is their ability to get the red card.
Bruce Jenkins:
So, that's a three mile walk in forty five minutes with 45 pounds on your back.
Bruce Jenkins:
So, just to give you an idea of what's happening in Castle Valley.
Bruce Jenkins:
So, the red card folks can respond nationally and locally.
Bruce Jenkins:
So, let's see, last year, you may not know the terminology, but PC's participation commitment is based off of the historic fire in the area and the high risk fire, It's a number that is calculated based off of those costs for the fires that the state picks up and the numbers come back to the county and the departments to do the work in mitigation, prevention and preparedness.
Bruce Jenkins:
So, last year in Grant County, their PC was 10,173 and it was met quite easily, and I like this program that the core of the old emergency measure helps implement, and that was voucher to collect residential cleanups like woody materials and other debris that are fire hazards.
Bruce Jenkins:
So with that, there was two zero three participants that signed up with the voucher, which is equates to about one hour of volunteer service that they did to clean up and bring to the landfill, and they exceeded the 10,000 with that program, and they're gonna do that, they did that program again this year for 2025, so they will show that in the twenty twenty five's actions on URAP, that's a program that we have, it's website based that they can put in the actions and totals for the year.
Bruce Jenkins:
So, this year's PC did go up to 21,000, and working with the new emergency managers, we'll get her on board to input these actions that will show Cody McKinney with the road department, he's very helpful and he's been tracking all his costs with the fire mitigation, cleanup with tumbleweeds and roadside material that gets knocked back, so it's not a fire hazard on the roadways.
Bruce Jenkins:
So, shouldn't be able to hit that 21,000, no problem.
Bruce Jenkins:
I know I've bombarded with fire matrix and the weekly things that come in for deciding whether we go into restrictions or not, and I'm sure you've already heard that we went into restrictions on the twenty eighth.
Bruce Jenkins:
There are stage one restrictions.
Bruce Jenkins:
Those stage one restrictions are no open fires of any kind except for designated campgrounds, which are the fire rings that are metal and they're a campground that gets supervised by our Recreationists, Recreational employees, of course no smoking except for most vehicles and vegetation free areas like dirt.
Bruce Jenkins:
No fireworks, so that's a big one for county.
Bruce Jenkins:
The city still has the ability to have, since they're incorporated, their own ordinances for fireworks this year, and as far as you know, fireworks are still on, so some of the o ther things are with equipment.
Bruce Jenkins:
This year, the county's CWPP is expiring, so I'll be working with the new emergency manager to get a CWPP put in place, is county or the community wildfire preparedness plan.
Bruce Jenkins:
That'll get updated and that's all I have for this county updates.
Bruce Jenkins:
Matt, would you like to say anything on the 2025 CWS program?
Matt McKettrick:
Everybody, Matt McKeptrick, Southeast Area Manager.
Matt McKettrick:
I've met most of y'all, but if I haven't, I'd love to see you.
Matt McKettrick:
As far as CWS is going, CWS is basically the system the state uses to pay for a large fire incident for a county or municipality, and Grand County is doing a great job of participating.
Matt McKettrick:
So, we just want to keep that going.
Matt McKettrick:
And thanks, Mark, for having that meeting where we talked about that.
Matt McKettrick:
I that.
Matt McKettrick:
And if you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me and we can resolve any questions that you might have or to Bruce.
Matt McKettrick:
Just a reminder also, if there is a event this year in Grand County, I will be the person that will be working on the administrative team for that fire representing the interest of the state and the county and the city of Moab if relevant.
Matt McKettrick:
So I will be working with you all if that's going on and checking in, giving you updates.
Matt McKettrick:
In the past, we've talked to Bill.
Matt McKettrick:
Is that still a good plan to kind of contact you with?
Matt McKettrick:
Yeah.
Matt McKettrick:
Okay.
Matt McKettrick:
That's totally fine.
Matt McKettrick:
Myself or administrator.
Matt McKettrick:
Well, thanks for the time.
Matt McKettrick:
Thanks for having me.
Matt McKettrick:
That's really all I have f or y'all today, but appreciate it.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah, we appreciate the update and the report.
Bill Winfield:
Any questions?
Bill Winfield:
Anybody?
Bill Winfield:
Mary or Jacques, any questions?
Mary McGann:
No, thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Mike, we're good.
Bill Winfield:
Thanks for the update.
Bill Winfield:
appreciate it.
Bill Winfield:
Alright, moving on commission member disclosures.
Bill Winfield:
Mr.
Bill Winfield:
McCurdy.
Mike McCurdy:
Standard.
Mike McCurdy:
My wife works for the sherrif's department.
Mike McCurdy:
.
Bill Winfield:
I don't see anything else, so we will move on then to general or the yeah, the general commission reports and future considerations.
Bill Winfield:
And how about if I start off this time rather than putting Trish under the gun to be in with here?
Bill Winfield:
I will start off that I was in a sustainability meeting with the EMS on the eighteenth.
Bill Winfield:
A lot of discussion there, which is also tied into our budget discussion.
Bill Winfield:
So that I think they're under some critical budget issues just like the county is.
Bill Winfield:
And I think moving forward, kinda all tied together with this.
Bill Winfield:
I think that's a big part of the essential services in the picture that we have here.
Bill Winfield:
I was also in a meeting with our new engineer where Dan Stenta zoomed in and kinda updated our engineer and gave him a very long to do list, I think.
Bill Winfield:
Admin was there with me, but I think Dan Stanta gave him more than enough work to keep him busy for a while.
Bill Winfield:
And let's see.
Bill Winfield:
Also in a meeting with Gabe and Steve regarding some of our budget issues also with some questions with Seth Oveson and chimed in around the TRT and the HB 456 moving forward.
Bill Winfield:
I thought that was a great discussion.
Bill Winfield:
I, personally learned a lot about the TRT that I didn't know previously.
Bill Winfield:
And I think I've been as involved in that as much as anybody on the commission, I think over the last couple of years.
Bill Winfield:
So it was, I think Seth has a wealth of information and having access to Seth and to be able to ask him questions.
Bill Winfield:
I think that's a huge benefit.
Bill Winfield:
Let's see.
Bill Winfield:
I was also in a meeting with Rocky Mountaineer train folks.
Bill Winfield:
It was a Zoom meeting.
Bill Winfield:
And coming out of that, there was an invitation to ride on their inaugural train ride from Salt Lake City through Moab to Glenwood Springs and on to Denver.
Bill Winfield:
I haven't totally decided if I'm going to accept that.
Bill Winfield:
They do have a media familiarization rate so that I'm paying for that and it's not seen as a gift, but I haven't totally committed whether I'm going or not possibly.
Bill Winfield:
So that I have that coming up and I think that's a big positive for our community to be able to have train service, although it's not regular commuter train, it's more of a tourism type thing between Salt Lake City and Moab as well as Denver and Moab.
Bill Winfield:
So kinda looking forward to that moving forward whether I'm on the train or not.
Bill Winfield:
And then I had a couple other meetings here.
Bill Winfield:
I was part of the property tax advisory committee through UAC.
Bill Winfield:
There's a lot going on this year already with the intern, with the legislature around different portions of that.
Bill Winfield:
And in that meeting, we heard from the assessors, the treasurers, and from the Recorders, at least, the Recorder from I believe it's Duchene County was on that board, gave Shelly Grun.
Bill Winfield:
And from my part of it, I think the big thing was, again, we are going to be working on centrally assessed and hopefully be able to see some movement in that.
Bill Winfield:
I've been on boards regarding centrally assessed for a couple of years now.
Bill Winfield:
And I would say that we just have not yet got to a point where the state legislature is quite ready to move, but they think there's a chance that they will this year to help the smaller counties out such as ourselves who are continually hit by centrally assessed.
Bill Winfield:
And then I was also in a meeting with Mr.
Bill Winfield:
Keller, who was here today, and it was basically around the same thing that we discussed or that he discussed in our MBA meeting.
Bill Winfield:
So that's all I've got for me.
Bill Winfield:
We'll move on Melodie and go around the room if we can.
Melodie McCandless:
Okay.
Melodie McCandless:
So I was in the same EMS sustainability meeting with Bill on June 18.
Melodie McCandless:
They just continue to discuss options to fund the EMS.
Melodie McCandless:
Then, of course, we were all together last Monday at a budget workshop.
Melodie McCandless:
And then later that day, I met with the chair of the Economic Opportunity Advisory Board and the Caitlin and Laura from the Mamba Area Community Land Trust because we were speaking about the existing RCOG grant, the way that it was written by the contracts that had to be completed by the end of this year.
Melodie McCandless:
But if they don't complete it by the October, then we cannot go after the funds for the EMS grant for the RCOG.
Melodie McCandless:
So, we were discussing with them how feasible it was going to be for them to spend those.
Melodie McCandless:
It was a $300,000 grant.
Melodie McCandless:
They said that they needed help with some legal review as well as getting the final plot.
Melodie McCandless:
And I think that if the county can help them get those done, then they will be able to move forward and hopefully get implemented by October 31, so that we can And if not, we'll miss that date and we'll have to wait till next year to use that.
Melodie McCandless:
So, so stay tuned.
Melodie McCandless:
We're talking about that.
Melodie McCandless:
Everyone feels optimistic.
Melodie McCandless:
I did.
Melodie McCandless:
Attend the Echo Canyon Municipality Board meeting on Tuesday via Zoom.
Melodie McCandless:
That was actually their second board meeting, because I wasn't thrown on the board yet prior to that once s o at that meeting, the main order of business was to vote to engage with Horox as their municipal engineer.
Melodie McCandless:
Then I had a couple meetings with local residents.
Melodie McCandless:
One was Murice Miller.
Melodie McCandless:
He works for the local AmeriCorps, and he's talking about economic development grants.
Melodie McCandless:
And so I'm excited to get him with Melissa Jeffers, who has accepted that position.
Melodie McCandless:
So that's super exciting for economic development.
Melodie McCandless:
And then I also met with another resident who was interested in learning more about local government, as well as I had lunch with Kaitlin Myers and the mayor.
Melodie McCandless:
I'm just kind of catching up on housing and city projects.
Melodie McCandless:
So, agenda review.
Melodie McCandless:
I attended a few of the interim policy steering committees.
Melodie McCandless:
I didn't identify like, no, I didn't miss out on that.
Melodie McCandless:
I didn't identify anything that was a specific concern yet, but I'll state standardized.
Melodie McCandless:
And then Economic Opportunity Advisory Board, we did review the processes and procedures that we used for the grant process this year, as well as the plan going further, deciding on what kind of criteria they would be putting those grants forward, what different things to do with procedures, applications, possibly doing the workshop for that pre application is due, and then having some of the other partners in the community there to help them.
Melodie McCandless:
We did discuss possibly doing a plan to engage with a high school career teacher, so that there could be a business startup package for Grand County high school students that didn't wanna go to college, but maybe start a business.
Melodie McCandless:
So there could be some funding with those grants, help with the business plans with the SSBDC, and then, USU was offering to possible those bookkeeping classes.
Melodie McCandless:
So it kind of be a package deal to get them on their way on a new little venture.
Melodie McCandless:
And so I have more news to come in that one as well.
Melodie McCandless:
And then Trisha and I had Friday.
Melodie McCandless:
I felt like I was busy.
Melodie McCandless:
Friday, we had a water planning meeting with Jay Olson and Haley Kerr Lin.
Melodie McCandless:
She's a planning technical assistant.
Melodie McCandless:
And then Jay is the county water and land conservation manager for the Department of Natural Resources.
Melodie McCandless:
And they came to support the county doing anything they can to help us with our water element in our general plan, which the state's asking us to do that by the end of the year.
Melodie McCandless:
And they also talked to us about the Agricultural protection areas and ordinance, there is an ordinance required that and because he was in that meeting as well as well as our new engineer at.
Melodie McCandless:
So that was good information.
Melodie McCandless:
And then I did was on the zoom call with Marcus from Crews and Associates yesterday when he was presenting some information on public safety funding options as well.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Brian.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah.
Brian Martinez:
I don't have too much to update on right now.
Brian Martinez:
A couple of things that I've been working on are in for discussion a little bit later on today.
Brian Martinez:
Let's see here.
Brian Martinez:
The the one big thing was on the twenty seventh, I went to the UAC Natural Resource Committee, and then Sam Crofts from Michael Lee's office was there talking about the housing bill.
Brian Martinez:
He also talked about the wind and solar that's going to be on federal land, and there's going to be a 25% share back for local governments for wind and solar.
Brian Martinez:
And then when he was talking about the housing bill, a couple of things that we discussed was one, kind of the bigness of the bill and where that kind of came from, how the bill kind of went and kind of worked along with the foot month that's already inside there, and then what the qualified bidders was, was just something that was added in the bill and then how that kind of like went forward towards affordable housing and then I also brought up the impact of the five mile radius to the Moab and the current trails that we have.
Brian Martinez:
So we talked about quite a bit of stuff and I was actually surprised to see that there was a lot in there that I didn't see originally.
Brian Martinez:
He also talked about biochar, which is kind of a new thing that's kind of coming up and I'm sure we'll be hearing a little bit more about it.
Brian Martinez:
Okay.
Brian Martinez:
But yeah, it's kind of interesting.
Brian Martinez:
And then lastly, I just want to kind of express a little bit of my disappointment on the process of position letters, especially the one that was addressed to Senator Lee and Mike Kirkhart and to John Curtis.
Brian Martinez:
My understanding from Commissioner Hedin, the proper procedure for that type of communication is that we would have a chance as a commission to, that we'll have a process as a commission to go ahead and comment on something like that.
Brian Martinez:
I was told that, I've tried to follow that process and then when that process wasn't adhered to, I tried to submit a letter for inclusion inside the agenda.
Brian Martinez:
That letter wasn't there.
Brian Martinez:
I mean, was only just to try to broaden the conversation a little bit.
Brian Martinez:
And I just believe that this approach, you know, is kind of inconsistent the transparency process.
Brian Martinez:
correct.
Trish Hedin:
Yeah.
Trish Hedin:
It's just that that l egislation…
Bill Winfield:
Let's wait until we come around and you can speak to it if you would, please.
Trish Hedin:
I was just trying to speak directly to Brian.
Brian Martinez:
Either which way, it doesn't matter.
Brian Martinez:
But yeah, that was what I had.
Brian Martinez:
Then just for future discussions, if we could try to get something together, Mark, get an update from the Spanish Valley Pathway contractors and kind of see where we are with that process.
Brian Martinez:
To see if we can get a little bit of movement happening there.
Brian Martinez:
Thanks.
Bill Winfield:
All right Mike.
Mike McCurdy:
The end of my month was actually easy, both of my meetings were canceled for the end of this month, shameless plug, County Fair, July.
Mike McCurdy:
I will be hosting the volleyball tournament.
Mike McCurdy:
Expect to see some of you there.
Mike McCurdy:
We will be extremely sunburnt, but we'll be okay.
Mike McCurdy:
Along with all the goings, I know it'll be listed in the paper and our general public will be out and seeing a parade July 4 at 9AM on 400 East also.
Mike McCurdy:
Most of the details can be found either through OSTA on Facebook or in all local papers here very soon.
Mike McCurdy:
But other than that, future consideration I spoke to previously would like to revisit the contracts and the totality of pickleball and playground bid, etcetera, with my added questions to that along with the 73,000.
Mike McCurdy:
Other than that, that's it.
Bill Winfield:
All right, Mike, thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Trish?
Trish Hedin:
Brian, first I'll speak to that.
Trish Hedin:
And I really do try very hard to do that.
Trish Hedin:
I just knew that that legislation was changing so rapidly.
Trish Hedin:
He, I don't know how many rewrites he had.
Trish Hedin:
Three, I think.
Trish Hedin:
And then to be honest, I kind of had a feeling it was going to get pulled.
Trish Hedin:
Like, I didn't know how in-depth to go.
Trish Hedin:
Right?
Trish Hedin:
And it did get pulled out.
Trish Hedin:
There was so much backlash from I'm a hunter and just that hunting community and even very conservative organizations when within the hunting community were were quite opposed to the bill.
Trish Hedin:
And you spoke to the vagueness of the bill, which hopefully, if he proceeds with the Houses Act, and I've read some of the old iterations, and I think there's some, like you said, FLPMA allows for that for the disposal of public land.
Trish Hedin:
Hopefully that's the avenue that they'll take instead of doing something like that.
Trish Hedin:
Because there was a lot of backlash.
Trish Hedin:
So, I will in the future, I just, I kind of thought, well, I'll throw it out there.
Trish Hedin:
I think it'll I'll pull it, you know, in the end.
Trish Hedin:
And then it was just changing so rapidly that it was hard for me.
Trish Hedin:
My guess is I actually rewrote it twice because the legislation changed within those couple, you know, times.
Trish Hedin:
So my apologies for that.
Trish Hedin:
Alright.
Trish Hedin:
So really quick, I went to the Rec board for Mike on June 18.
Trish Hedin:
I've already spoke to a couple of those things, but a couple things to add to that meeting is they do help with fireworks.
Trish Hedin:
So that's another part of their budget that they were really concerned about.
Trish Hedin:
And then the other thing that I think will be and I'm not sure how to address this, I'm not putting it on you, Gabe, but we talk about the grant funding with the new TRT legislation.
Trish Hedin:
Like if there's entities out there that obviously can apply for this grant funding, how do they access that?
Trish Hedin:
How is information going to come out of the state?
Trish Hedin:
How do we let those entities know?
Trish Hedin:
So it's just, you know, something hopefully that this table provides some clarification and clear path So on the twentieth, I actually met with the head of the southeastern region for the Division of Wildlife.
Trish Hedin:
He wanted to discuss how prevalent chronic wasting disease is in the city of Moab and Castle Valley and in the resident deer.
Trish Hedin:
And they really actually know quite a bit because they have collar data now.
Trish Hedin:
So they know that, for example, these deer that specifically are down kind of around the mouths and preserve, they don't ever leave town.
Trish Hedin:
They have a little, you know, path, a little migration pattern, but they don't leave town and they are riddled with chronic wasting.
Trish Hedin:
The deer in town aren't living beyond three or four years.
Trish Hedin:
They really want to discuss strategies to remove deer.
Trish Hedin:
Basically, eventually, really the objective is to probably, I don't want to use the word zero out the population, but Culling.
Trish Hedin:
Culling.
Trish Hedin:
Thank you.
Trish Hedin:
That's the proper term.
Trish Hedin:
Thank you.
Trish Hedin:
So, I told them to start with possibly the city council, same with Castle Valley, and start there, and then just let them begin to strategize how to approach citizens.
Trish Hedin:
Because anytime you want to cull, there's going to be some backlash.
Trish Hedin:
Chronic wasting is awful.
Trish Hedin:
It gets into the soil, it gets into the water, it gets past right now, just deer and elk, but you know, it's one of those ever evolving diseases that we don't know a lot about, but it's a bad deal.
Trish Hedin:
All right.
Trish Hedin:
On the twenty third, I went to a Planning Commission meeting.
Trish Hedin:
The bulk of the discussion there was the Novak rezone out in my area, which is right across basically from Lynn's from the vet clinic.
Trish Hedin:
And that would be 30 acres of rural residential to small lot residential.
Trish Hedin:
There was quite a bit of public that came to speak.
Trish Hedin:
14 people spoke in all.
Trish Hedin:
And I think one of the big things that came out of that was this need, and I'll speak to this later when we have discussion items, about basically our land use code needs to be updated.
Trish Hedin:
But in the end, that failed five to two.
Trish Hedin:
Again, really great banter.
Trish Hedin:
I have spoke to a representative for the developer, and I believe they pulled that application.
Trish Hedin:
So, it won't come to us.
Trish Hedin:
On June 27, as Melodie mentioned, we met with the Department of Ag.
Trish Hedin:
I think the big thing for me that came out of that is we are going to have a meeting on July 29 at the Grand Center.
Trish Hedin:
I'm going to meet with UDAF tomorrow to talk about the specifics, but the goal is to talk about ag protections in the valley and possibly passing an ordinance in which people can voluntarily sign up for these ag protections.
Trish Hedin:
I think, Chrissy, well, she's not here, we basically spoke to this idea with the update of the water element within the general plan that she would have Horox deal with that.
Trish Hedin:
Anyways, and I think that's better.
Trish Hedin:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
All right, Jacques, you want to take this?
Jacques Hadler:
Sure.
Jacques Hadler:
And I apologize if I cut out a little bit.
Jacques Hadler:
I apologize for not having my camera on.
Jacques Hadler:
The internet's not super strong here.
Jacques Hadler:
And every time I do, it cuts out.
Jacques Hadler:
I don't have a whole lot to report I've been traveling I was going to bring up the Spanish Valley Drive as we have a new engineer I would love to get a subcommittee meeting on that scheduled if admin could handle that in the near future and also to bring our new engineer update on that is that is a crucial position for the Spanish Valley Drive project.
Jacques Hadler:
Let's see.
Jacques Hadler:
I don't have that much else.
Jacques Hadler:
I've been traveling in New England visiting some friends, friends from Moab, folks who work in tourism just as an aside up here, they're very close to Canada and all of them have mentioned that Canadian tourism is down significantly in this area as well.
Jacques Hadler:
And lastly on a fun note, I played my first pickleball game ever the other day with with friends here and it it's fun it doesn't take up a lot of space.
Jacques Hadler:
I can see why people love it and I think it would be a great addition to Moab to have some more courts.
Jacques Hadler:
That's all I have today.
Jacques Hadler:
Thanks.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, Jacques.
Bill Winfield:
Mary, do you want to finish this off?
Mary McGann:
Oh yes, thank you.
Mary McGann:
Yes.
Mary McGann:
The main thing I have to report on is the solid waste.
Mary McGann:
We have we are purchasing a water truck, which is really good news.
Mary McGann:
I'm sure to anyone who has been up there with the dryness, It's been difficult to for vehicles, heavy vehicles, to drive on such dry sandy soil.
Mary McGann:
So the water truck will be very valuable for that, and it'll be valuable for keeping making it so that there's less fire danger at both of the landfills.
Mary McGann:
And the grant for the composting is moving forward.
Mary McGann:
It's exciting.
Mary McGann:
It's also they're a little nerve wracked because they had their funding pulled for a while and things stopped.
Mary McGann:
The funding is back, but the grant kept the same timeline.
Mary McGann:
So they're really scrambling to make sure they get things done in a fashion that will make it work.
Mary McGann:
And we're working very closely with the Recycle center in Grand Junction, and looks like we have some good movement forward with our glass Recycling, which is very exciting.
Mary McGann:
So things are moving forward there in a very positive way.
Mary McGann:
And then I've spent time at some of the workshops everybody else has been at.
Mary McGann:
So thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, Mary.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
We will move on to our elected officials.
Bill Winfield:
Gabe, do you want to start us off?
Gabe Woytek:
I just want to Say that I wasn't able to get the minutes ready for the packet, so we can omit it that from the consent agenda.
Gabe Woytek:
Other than that, preparing for the BOE, board of equalization season, that'll that'll kinda ramp up after the tax evaluation notices get sent out.
Gabe Woytek:
So there's just been a lot of detail oriented work getting that lined up and set up, requests, all the budget preparation.
Gabe Woytek:
So staying pretty busy.
Gabe Woytek:
I've got a UAC, clerk conference up in Box Elder County next week.
Gabe Woytek:
Looking forward to that.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, sir.
Bill Winfield:
Steven?
Stephen Stocks:
Not too much to update.
Stephen Stocks:
Just standard work.
Stephen Stocks:
If folks need any assistance or want us to go to meetings, let us know.
Stephen Stocks:
We've done that for a couple meetings.
Stephen Stocks:
One helpful reminder on emails, if you have Mister Vowels and I and you call us Steve, we don't know which one you're talking to.
Stephen Stocks:
So I'm usually Stephen.
Stephen Stocks:
You Steve or mister Vowels or mister Stocks, however you wanna call us.
Stephen Stocks:
That's the only thing that I've got for today.
Stephen Stocks:
Thanks.
Bill Winfield:
Yes, sir.
Bill Winfield:
I don't believe we have Jameson online, do we?
Bill Winfield:
No.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
We'll move on to admin then.
Bill Winfield:
Mark?
Mark Tyner:
I I don't have anything at this point, commissioner.
Mark Tyner:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
All right.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
And so we can move on then to our general business action items.
Bill Winfield:
I will start us off with the approval of the consent agenda.
Bill Winfield:
We do have a public hearing, but that'll have to take place after six.
Bill Winfield:
So as far as the consent agenda, we've got the ratification of payment of bills.
Bill Winfield:
Hit my readers.
Bill Winfield:
Sorry.
Bill Winfield:
With the total bills of a million $66,275.57, total payroll, $300,450.43 for a grand total of $1,366,726.
Bill Winfield:
We've also got the ratification of the notice of award for the airport taxi lane expansion e, g, and j, ratification of independent contractor agreement with Vortex Fireworks for fourth of July fireworks show, ratification of quote exempted, quote, acceptance for the NRCS grant, All American Wash Water Crossing Structures, Recreation Restoration Infrastructure Grant award and contract, ratification of ICA with elite events for shaped structures at the Grand County Fair, ratification of letter of support co op grant twenty twenty five Moab office of tourism.
Bill Winfield:
Then I believe I've got the addition of the consideration.
Bill Winfield:
No.
Bill Winfield:
I do not.
Bill Winfield:
I'm sorry.
Bill Winfield:
That I believe that's it then.
Bill Winfield:
Without the, we do not have the approvals for the meeting minutes.
Bill Winfield:
We'll wait for those till the next meeting.
Bill Winfield:
Alright, if I c an get — please, Mike.
Mike McCurdy:
Motion to approve as read.
Bill Winfield:
Motion by Commissioner McCurdy, second by Commissioner McCandless.
Bill Winfield:
Discussion?
Bill Winfield:
Seeing none, all in favor?
Bill Winfield:
Mary, are you with us?
Mary McGann:
Yes, I am.
Mary McGann:
I'm sorry.
Mary McGann:
Aye
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
That passes unanimously.
Bill Winfield:
So we will move on then to the consideration of the resolution.
Bill Winfield:
We have somebody that wants to read that motion out for the MBA.
Brian Martinez:
I'd like to give it a shot.
Brian Martinez:
Alright.
Brian Martinez:
I move to approve the resolution authorizing and approving the execution of and delivery of master lease agreement by and between the county and the municipal building authority of Grand County, Utah.
Brian Martinez:
The authority authorizing the issuance and sale by the authority not more than 1,800,000.0 aggregate principal amount of the lease revenue bonds series 2025.
Brian Martinez:
The bonds authorizing the execution by the authority of a master resolution, security documents, and all other documents necessary for the issuance of the bonds authorizing the taking of all other actions necessary for the consummation of the transactions completed contemplated by the resolution and related matters.
Bill Winfield:
Motion by Commissioner Martinez, second by Commissioner McCurdy.
Bill Winfield:
Do we have any discussion on that municipal building authority?
Bill Winfield:
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote.
Bill Winfield:
Oh, do you have some discussion?
Mike McCurdy:
I just want to make s ure does that encompass all the all that was needed with that?
Stephen Stocks:
With without having all the numbers?
Mike McCurdy:
Yeah, without having the numbers stated.
Brian Martinez:
I can amend the motion to include up to seventeen years.
Brian Martinez:
The maximum interest of 5% and a discount rate of 98%.
Mike McCurdy:
Second the amended.
Mike McCurdy:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
Commissioner Martinez second by Commissioner McCurdy.
Bill Winfield:
Any further discussion?
Bill Winfield:
Alright, seeing that I'll call for a vote.
Bill Winfield:
All in favor?
General:
Aye.
Bill Winfield:
And that passes with one absent commissioner Hedin has stepped out.
Stephen Stocks:
So just noting on that document that document, you'll have to shift commissioner Hedin down to the absent category.
Stephen Stocks:
Just noting that for you guys.
Stephen Stocks:
Okay.
Stephen Stocks:
Just hope whenever it gets executed because it has everybody here for us.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
We will move on to the grant application for DNR OHVR grant Grand County Search and Rescue.
Bill Winfield:
Mister Solle?
Scott Solle:
Yeah, I'm not 100% sure of process and looking back at years past, it looked like some of these grants had gotten commission approval before they were applied for.
Scott Solle:
So all of the feedback from today is I'd like to move forward with applying for this grant, it's due at the end of the month.
Scott Solle:
What this grant would do would be to fund, well we don't know exactly how much this grant would fund, it's based on the award, but I'm seeking to get two OHVs for search and rescue to replace a couple machines that are upwards of twenty years old.
Scott Solle:
The grant, from what I understand, has the potential to be 100% funded by the DNR.
Scott Solle:
I don't think that's super likely.
Scott Solle:
We had this approval last year and they only decided to fund 25%, so we would be coming up with 75% and I've kind of reworked those numbers to paint ourselves a little more favorable because I don't think they really accounted for a lot of the OHV advisory council that is, that approves, that awards these grants.
Scott Solle:
I don't think they had the figures quite right.
Scott Solle:
And so right now I'm not asking for any money, I'm just asking to seek approval to see if we can get this and potentially get some new equipment for our organization.
Mike McCurdy:
Yes, Mike.
Mike McCurdy:
I'd like to make the motion, I move to approve the application The Utah Department of Natural Resources.
Mike McCurdy:
The.
Mike McCurdy:
Oh, we are grant by Grand County search and rescue.
Barb Cross, public comment:
I'll second
Bill Winfield:
Motion by commissioner McCarthy second by commissioner McCandless.
Bill Winfield:
Any further discussion?
Bill Winfield:
Yes, Steven.
Stephen Stocks:
I just, if this grant is awarded, would it be within this annual?
Scott Solle:
No, the award would not be until January of twenty twenty twenty six.
Scott Solle:
So I would, if we do get an award, I would put it on the agenda to come back to see, you know, we can get how we can budget for this and work that when the time comes.
Mike McCurdy:
That would be my addition is as soon as you know, let us know.
Bill Winfield:
Yep.
Bill Winfield:
Great.
Bill Winfield:
Any further questions or comments?
Brian Martinez:
I just question, what's the current state of the machines that you guys have or no?
Scott Solle:
Well, we've got three machines that have been purchased since 2019.
Scott Solle:
A fourth machine was from 2011.
Scott Solle:
It's on its way out as well.
Scott Solle:
And then our backup machines are from 2005 and 02/2007.
Scott Solle:
And it seems like a lot of machines, I'll give you an example earlier this year, we had a day where we had five star calls in one day, all of which were requiring UTVs.
Scott Solle:
And during that time we had two UTVs have mechanical failure and so we were shorthanded.
Scott Solle:
What this would do would be to kind of give us two more reliable machines and then kind of start phasing out these twenty year old, 18 to 20 year old machines.
Scott Solle:
So.
Stephen Stocks:
So then on the background information, states that the total amount for just bolted OHVs is going be about 80,000, 79,513.
Stephen Stocks:
Is that the total amount of the request of the grant or is there more than that?
Scott Solle:
That would be the total purchase price and the way that works is the county pays for that upfront and then gets a reimbursement.
Scott Solle:
We hoping that reimbursement to be 75%, and that's the way it's written now.
Scott Solle:
However, in talking with the DNR, there is a lot of talk that they could potentially fund this at 100%, at which point the county wouldn't be out any money except on the front end where we've got to get a reimbursement.
Scott Solle:
I just don't know what the DNR is going to c ome up with as far as an award.
Stephen Stocks:
I'm just kind of estimating ballpark, worst case scenario, if they only funded 25%, then the county would have to come up with 60,000.
Stephen Stocks:
You guys come back and talk about that a little bit.
Stephen Stocks:
Yeah, I'm just—
Scott Solle:
That's 100% county funding at that price.
Bill Winfield:
And we're not at this point approving any budgetary amount.
Bill Winfield:
We're just giving the approval for the grant to be applied for.
Stephen Stocks:
Correct.
Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
Stephen Stocks:
I just want to make sure that we apply.
Stephen Stocks:
The only individuals that apply for grants is that sometimes if you were to receive the grant and then we're not willing to fund it, the granting agency, no pun intended, they might feel slighted by that.
Stephen Stocks:
I don't know if that's the case in this circumstance or not.
Scott Solle:
I don't think so.
Scott Solle:
I w ould speak to that towards basically as to what happened last year.
Scott Solle:
That was we were awarded a 25% match and we declined to take that offer.
Scott Solle:
I don't think getting an award and then not taking it is detrimental to future applications.
Steven Vowles:
I'll throw it to Scott and I discussed this and we want this on the a genda just so that you g uys have a heads up that this could be coming as a budget request for 2026.
Steven Vowles:
So, kind of get out ahead of the game.
Steven Vowles:
Make sure you guys know that if we get this grant, like flex Steven said, it's kind of pork one to turn down.
Steven Vowles:
So, if we do get this granted, this will be needed to be budgeted for '26.
Bill Winfield:
Right.
Bill Winfield:
Anybody else?
Bill Winfield:
Questions?
Bill Winfield:
Comments?
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
I will call for a vote motion.
Bill Winfield:
Remind me.
Bill Winfield:
McCurdy McCandless.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
gAll right.
Bill Winfield:
Those in favor.
General:
Aye.
Bill Winfield:
Aye.
Bill Winfield:
That passes unanimously.
Bill Winfield:
Scott, thanks for bringing that forward.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
And the next one is a letter of support that I put on.
Bill Winfield:
I didn't have anybody asking if they wanted to amend or change it.
Bill Winfield:
So nothing's changed on that.
Bill Winfield:
And if Mister and Missus Kulander would like to come forward, we can have some discussion around this.
Bill Winfield:
This is a letter and support for a cannabis pharmacy in Grand County and more specifically Moab City.
Bill Winfield:
And I'll let you guys kind of lead this along.
Bill Winfield:
But I do believe that you've already been to the city and seen approval for them from them.
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Dashiel Kulander:
So, my n ame is Dashiel Kulander.
Dashiel Kulander:
I'm the CEO and the co founder of Boojum Med.
Dashiel Kulander:
We're a medical cannabis processor.
Dashiel Kulander:
We've been working within the medical cannabis program with oversight by UDAF and DHHS for the last eight years now.
Olivia Kulander:
And I'm Olivia Koolander.
Olivia Kulander:
I'm his sister, not his wife.
Olivia Kulander:
She was here last time.
Olivia Kulander:
That's Brittany.
Olivia Kulander:
She's another member of our team.
Olivia Kulander:
But the two of us grew up here at Moab.
Dashiel Kulander:
Yeah, we grew up here.
Dashiel Kulander:
I graduated 2001.
Dashiel Kulander:
And my wife and I, Brittany King, we constitute pretty much the entire team of this company and on the board as well.
Dashiel Kulander:
So we just really wanted to come down and answer any questions that the Commission may have and express our gratitude to Chair Winfield and the rest of the Commissioners for their consideration on this project.
Dashiel Kulander:
Know it can be a sensitive issue, so we definitely want to be here to be able to be really candid and answer any questions anyone might have.
Dashiel Kulander:
And I do want to emphasize the fact too that we have not yet been awarded the license.
Dashiel Kulander:
The application window actually opened today and it will stay open until July 31.
Dashiel Kulander:
And then just as far as my participation in this,
Bill Winfield:
I worked with Senator Vickers when this legislation was passing in this last legislation system, I don't remember the house….
Dashiel Kulander:
The house sponsor was representative Jen Daily Provost?
Bill Winfield:
Yes, yes, thank you.
Bill Winfield:
And so there was some work out there to change this legislation a little bit, and this has been ongoing for a couple of years.
Bill Winfield:
And so this is slowly moving forward and really, this is an opportunity to support somebody locally here with this pharmacy because there's a lot of interest from a lot of other people that want to come in here and some of which are major, you know, they're big corporation type cannabis companies.
Bill Winfield:
And so for me, was easy to get behind somebody local and to be a part of this and having worked a little bit and then I forget the lobbyist name also.
Bill Winfield:
Was a lot of help in getting this through the legislature as well.
Bill Winfield:
So I just want to make that comment.
Bill Winfield:
But any questions?
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Brian Martinez:
No, I'm ready to make a motion.
Brian Martinez:
I move to approve the letter of support endorsing the establishment of a medical cannabis pharmacy by Boojum Med.
Bill Winfield:
Motion by Commissioner Martinez, second by Commissioner McCurdy.
Bill Winfield:
Any further discussion?
Bill Winfield:
Yes, sir.
Gabe Woytek:
Just a quick question.
Gabe Woytek:
What has been historically at that site of the current proposed pharmacy site?
Gabe Woytek:
170 East?
Gabe Woytek:
170 East.
Olivia Kulander:
WabiSabi.
Gabe Woytek:
Okay, great.
Gabe Woytek:
Just the letter of support, I think quotes 160 East.
Gabe Woytek:
So just a quick editing note to make sure they get the address right on that.
Dashiel Kulander:
Yeah, so the front building there is the 170.
Dashiel Kulander:
We've executed an LOI for the back portion, that's the 160 East address.
Bill Winfield:
Thanks for catching that Gabe, but we had already asked Dana , we had the other address in originally and we switched it to this one.
Bill Winfield:
Yes, Trish.
Bill Winfield:
Comment.
Trish Hedin:
My mom battled cancer for a very long time before she finally passed away.
Trish Hedin:
But she was in a state that allowed medical cannabis, it really was a huge, help for her, especially near the end.
Trish Hedin:
So I am happy to see you guys.
Trish Hedin:
I don't if you went away and you're returning to do this, but it's great.
Olivia Kulander:
Thank you.
Olivia Kulander:
That means a lot to us.
Olivia Kulander:
Our mother, Jill Koolander, is a long standing resident here and she was one of the, she passed away from cancer in 2017 and she was one of the ones to start this like was the great…
Dashiel Kulander:
Canyonlands Cancer Support Group here locally.
Olivia Kulander:
Yeah, that's part of the reason that we went into this.
Dashiel Kulander:
Yeah, founded the company the next year.
Dashiel Kulander:
So we've seen firsthand how it can help with any plant care hospice and you know, this is a very strictly medical program, the state legislature wouldn't have it any other way.
Dashiel Kulander:
And so everything that we do is really for the patients and done in the most medically savvy way possible.
Bill Winfield:
Mary, I see you've got your hand up.
Mary McGann:
Yes.
Mary McGann:
Thank you.
Mary McGann:
Yes.
Mary McGann:
I have my my mute.
Mary McGann:
I'm not muted.
Mary McGann:
So thank you very much for calling on, Bill.
Mary McGann:
And I wanna begin with by thanking you, Bill, for being a champion for Bujum since the, you know, the legislation.
Mary McGann:
I know you were up at the capital, you know, working on helping make this bill one that helps get smaller businesses into local communities.
Mary McGann:
So thank you.
Mary McGann:
And I wanted to just express my excitement about having a pharmacy in Moab to help the people who are struggling with not just cancer but other chronic illnesses that this pharmacy could be of great benefit.
Mary McGann:
So thank you Dashiel and Brittany and Olivia.
Mary McGann:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thanks Mary.
Bill Winfield:
Mike,
Mike McCurdy:
Glad to see y ou back in the community, as some of us might have gone to school with you.
Bill Winfield:
Some of us.
Mike McCurdy:
Second is, thank you guys.
Mike McCurdy:
My biological father is on his third bout of cancer and is a user of medical cannabis and it really makes a difference in day to day i nteractions.
Mike McCurdy:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah, it does make a difference.
Bill Winfield:
Having survived cancer myself, which a lot of people don't really know about me, why I was never the type of cancer that this would have had any benefit for, but I saw a lot of people in and out of the hospital through my process, and I I know a lot of people that benefited.
Bill Winfield:
It's understandable.
Bill Winfield:
So without any further comment, I will call for a vote.
Bill Winfield:
Those in favor o f the letter of support.
Jacques Hadler:
Aye.
Mary McGann:
Aye.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, Mary and Jacques.
Bill Winfield:
That passes unanimously.
Bill Winfield:
We will move on then.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, folks.
Bill Winfield:
And I apologize for the 'missus.'
Dashiel Kulander:
And I just want to say too, we're more than happy and always available to answer any questions anybody might have.
Dashiel Kulander:
Bill has, my information.
Dashiel Kulander:
So, and we certainly look forward to coming back and reintegrating our shared community.
Mike McCurdy:
Glad to have y ou back.
Mike McCurdy:
Thanks.
Bill Winfield:
We will move on then to the approval to allow county insurance provider to cover volunteer work to be completed for the archery range.
Bill Winfield:
Trish, commissioner, I'd like to take that away.
Trish Hedin:
Yeah.
Trish Hedin:
I mean, I guess
Bill Winfield:
And I believe we want Tess to come up?
Trish Hedin:
Yeah.
Trish Hedin:
I think that'd be great.
Trish Hedin:
That'd be great.
Trish Hedin:
Okay.
Trish Hedin:
Nice.
Trish Hedin:
It's kind of, like, proceeded forward without I I basically was able to swindle my partner into doing the majority of the dirt work out there at the archery range, but he finally was, like, tapped out.
Trish Hedin:
And so I kind of proceeded with my goal is to get volunteers via the dedicated hunter program with the department or department division of wildlife.
Trish Hedin:
And in doing so, I had, like, already gotten my volunteers and I was proceeding forward and I reached out to Stephen and he's like, I think we better check and make sure that this will work out.
Trish Hedin:
So, don't know if you just want to say what you came up with, Tess, but.
Tess Barger:
Yes, certainly.
Tess Barger:
I'm more than happy to speak to what I passed over.
Tess Barger:
Stephen, if y ou can go ahead and then I'm happy to answer…
Stephen Stocks:
Sure, just background information for everyone.
Stephen Stocks:
We're looking for individuals to assist in completing the archery, layout of the design, or the physical work on it.
Stephen Stocks:
The difficulty that we've come up is individuals want to help, but then they're nervous about insurance, whether that could be used or not.
Stephen Stocks:
So what might be easier is if they're working or they're blessed by our insurance company to do the work.
Stephen Stocks:
And so Tess reached out to the insurance provider and she can correct me anytime I miss it, state anything.
Stephen Stocks:
But if they're considered official volunteers, then there is an ability to extend some coverage to them.
Stephen Stocks:
For example, if they fall and break a leg while they're out there, we wanna make sure that the county is protected.
Stephen Stocks:
The additional follow-up question that we need to answer is whether that liability coverage will extend to, let's say they're these are all those nightmare scenarios.
Stephen Stocks:
Let's say they're digging something out and they run into a pole and that pole crushes and kills somebody.
Stephen Stocks:
You know, are we covered?
Stephen Stocks:
Is there liability for that amount of work?
Stephen Stocks:
And so we're still ironing out some of those follow-up questions, but it's something that the county is choosing to do this project.
Stephen Stocks:
It's a good project and we want to make sure that people can come out volunteer, sign the necessary paperwork to be considered an official volunteer and then have that insurance coverage for them and then also for the county as well.
Stephen Stocks:
So that's kind of what led this discussion.
Stephen Stocks:
Instead of having maybe a, you know, separated, you know, 15 different individuals, different insurance cards and everything else, you have them be considered official volunteers.
Stephen Stocks:
They're added to a list.
Stephen Stocks:
That list is monitored and updated updated.
Stephen Stocks:
It could be by our risk analyst or it could be by OSTA.
Stephen Stocks:
And then we have them all there.
Stephen Stocks:
If there are issues, we report it and consider whether they should be considered on the list.
Stephen Stocks:
And then, like I said, the secondary question is whether we're going to incur liability of a tragic catastrophic event occurs.
Bill Winfield:
No compensation is going to this, they would truly be volunteers then?
Trish Hedin:
Yes, that's correct.
Trish Hedin:
Only thing, Bill, that I did tell if people were bringing equipment is that we would pay for fuel.
Trish Hedin:
I mean, do have a grant.
Trish Hedin:
I'm just trying to squeeze the lifeblood out of that grant, if that makes sense.
Trish Hedin:
I have about $45,000.
Trish Hedin:
I've spent none of it thus far, by the way.
Trish Hedin:
But I think that's about what I have.
Trish Hedin:
But I'm trying to I said I would compensate for fuel.
Trish Hedin:
But we're almost done with the dirt work.
Trish Hedin:
You know?
Trish Hedin:
I just need a little bit of final grading.
Trish Hedin:
And and most of the stuff after that will be and I've already got a couple volunteers.
Trish Hedin:
Anyways, the bulk of stuff, but I was hoping that that money will just pay for materials is my hope.
Bill Winfield:
Very good.
Bill Winfield:
Michael.
Mike McCurdy:
Two fold here.
Mike McCurdy:
One, in making this motion, does it automatically cover Grand County Fair volunteers?
Mike McCurdy:
What I mean, does is this a total assumption?
Mike McCurdy:
Well,
Stephen Stocks:
So if we get the information from the trust they indicated, if we carry an official volunteer list list, That that's what we need.
Stephen Stocks:
We we need to have that encapsulated.
Stephen Stocks:
We have waivers that are done on everything, but that is something that across the county we should be, keeping track everywhere from trails to OSTA to anywhere that anybody comes on the county facilities property and starts engaging in a volunteer work.
Mike McCurdy:
So.
Mike McCurdy:
In that I'd like to make a motion.
Mike McCurdy:
And slightly change in the recommended motion here, but I'd like to make a motion.
Mike McCurdy:
I move to approve Grand County's insurance provider to cover official volunteer work t o be completed at OSTA, Old Spanish Trail Arena.
Brian Martinez:
I have a question.
Brian Martinez:
I think that's
Stephen Stocks:
…So I think that's close.
Stephen Stocks:
We are just authorizing staff to seek that coverage from the insurance provider.
Stephen Stocks:
We're not dictating that they do cover it because they may say no.
Stephen Stocks:
But it's exploring that conversation with staff to say, hey, will you guys ensure this?
Stephen Stocks:
Will you cover it?
Stephen Stocks:
And to what?
Stephen Stocks:
But we didn't want any individual commissioner to go and, you know, commissioner was very forthcoming and come and and talk to me about that.
Stephen Stocks:
We just don't want anybody to go to, you know, staff and say, hey, we want you to do this x Y, and Z.
Stephen Stocks:
That's why we're looking at this.
Stephen Stocks:
Again, we don't have the full range of what the insurance provider will cover.
Stephen Stocks:
If they say, Hey, look, if they're doing dirt work, no way we're going to cover it.
Stephen Stocks:
Then we'll have to go back to the drawing board a little bit because we wanna make sure that everybody's doing the safe and that the county's covered liability wise.
Stephen Stocks:
Understand.
Stephen Stocks:
And I always think in doomsday scenarios like people dying because that's where your your most amount of liability is gonna come from.
Brian Martinez:
And then my question is, is this the so we're basically asking for a general liability and our workers comp to b e extended?
Tess Barger:
Yes, that's correct.
Brian Martinez:
So those are the two policies that we're looking to go for.
Brian Martinez:
And then what is the or what is your haven't explored this option yet, but what is your thoughts on what the financial impact is?
Tess Barger:
That's a great question.
Tess Barger:
I'm happy to clarify that that further my what I was.
Tess Barger:
In my communication with the Utah Trust contact, he actually indicated that currently our liability coverage will cover volunteers in this classification for medical expenses.
Tess Barger:
So they would be covered under our workers compensation if say, again, they fall and break their leg.
Tess Barger:
They wouldn't be covered under our indemnity insurance, which is essentially loss of wages if they can't go to work because of the broken leg.
Tess Barger:
The piece that we are missing, and I greatly appreciated that Stephen brought this up after I discussed this question with our contact is we understand what cover what coverage we have for the volunteer.
Tess Barger:
We don't know what coverage we have not against the volunteer, but does that does that make sense of it?
Brian Martinez:
It's under liability.
Brian Martinez:
Don't know why this gets called something else, but it would be.
Tess Barger:
So that's what so that's what I'm going to clarify tomorrow.
Tess Barger:
But currently, it's it falls under our current plan.
Tess Barger:
So I don't anticipate that there w ill be a financial impact.
Bill Winfield:
And then we would probably have each individual sign some sort of because we're basically adding them to our insurance policy,
Tess Barger:
So what we would do for that is I've seen every department has been wonderful about this.
Tess Barger:
They have their own essentially volunteer packet or volunteer form, and typically we, and by typically I mean in every case, thus far that I've seen, the diRector essentially acts as that designee for that site, if that makes sense.
Tess Barger:
So, the library has a very good system, OSTA has a very good system, etc.
Tess Barger:
To where they would essentially act as the designee for that site, that person who's tracking and maintaining an official list of volunteers.
Bill Winfield:
Very good.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
We had a motion.
Bill Winfield:
We have a second.
Bill Winfield:
Not yet.
Bill Winfield:
Not yet.
Bill Winfield:
I'll second.
Bill Winfield:
All right.
Bill Winfield:
Motion by Commissioner McCurdy, seconded by Commissioner Martinez .
Bill Winfield:
Any questions, Mary or Jacques?
Bill Winfield:
Anyone else?
Jacques Hadler:
No, I don't.
Jacques Hadler:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
All right.
Mary McGann:
No, I don't have any question.
Bill Winfield:
Seeing no further discussion, I will call for a vote.
Bill Winfield:
Those in favor?
Bill Winfield:
Aye.
Bill Winfield:
Mary?
Mary McGann:
I'm sorry, yes.
Mary McGann:
Thought it was still open.
Mary McGann:
You.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
That passes unanimously.
Tess Barger:
All right.
Tess Barger:
Thank you all very much.
Stephen Stocks:
We had a chair.
Stephen Stocks:
If we had a three minute Recess, Bart will be able to join us at five.
Stephen Stocks:
Oh, wonderful.
Stephen Stocks:
Never mind.
Stephen Stocks:
He is faster than I told him.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah, I saw him show up there a little while ago.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
So, so that being said, we will move on to number 10 on our agenda item, which is the ordinance amending the Grand County Land Use Code 4.7 high density housing overlay.
Bill Winfield:
Miss Hofhine, please join us.
Cristin Hofhine:
Just wanted to point out that I added a number of public comments to your guidance agenda packet this after or right before lunch.
Cristin Hofhine:
Two more have come in since then, will be added.
Cristin Hofhine:
They were all sent to you so I'm assuming you've had time to review those.
Cristin Hofhine:
This is kind of overview of some of t he things I brought up last time.
Cristin Hofhine:
The Planning Commission vote has recommended approval of what was presented in the packet.
Cristin Hofhine:
There was a lot of discussion on local area and ownership.
Cristin Hofhine:
They asked me to point out that local area, there were two votes against what is presented in front of you.
Cristin Hofhine:
And then on ownership, t here were three votes against what is presented in front o f you, w ith Mary, OB and Long against on the final vote.
Cristin Hofhine:
We have public comments from Rani Schultz, Kaitlin Myers and Ben Reilly during our public hearing.
Cristin Hofhine:
And those were all for amending the HDHO.
Cristin Hofhine:
To date, just some numbers for you to keep in mind, we have 53 COO on deed restricted units.
Cristin Hofhine:
Desert Soul has 34 deed restricted units coming online in the next couple months.
Cristin Hofhine:
And an apartment complex approved as Ledges has 98 deed restricted units coming online.
Cristin Hofhine:
Building permits have been pulled for that apartment complex, but it doesn't seem that substantial construction has begun.
Cristin Hofhine:
There are roughly 60 vested units that will not be built because final plot w as not r ecorded in accordance with their development agreement.
Cristin Hofhine:
A nd that's all I really have s o far.
Cristin Hofhine:
I'm sure you guys g ave lots of questions.
Cristin Hofhine:
Go ahead.
Stephen Stocks:
Put some additional context.
Stephen Stocks:
Bart— I provided the document to him with not an exceptionally lot of lot of time, but he was able to go through.
Stephen Stocks:
There were some things that maybe his recommendation, my recommendation that are kind of addressed so that we go through cleanly.
Stephen Stocks:
I don't know if you guys want to ask questions of Chrissy or if you want Bart to kind of run through his piece.
Brian Martinez:
I have some questions for Christy, which way it's fine.
Brian Martinez:
I don't know if Bart's going to answer some of my questions at my end.
Stephen Stocks:
Let's do this.
Stephen Stocks:
Bart, what do you think will work best for you?
Stephen Stocks:
And you're muted, but I know you're not.
Stephen Stocks:
You're unmuted, but we're n ot hearing sound.
Stephen Stocks:
Nothing yet, but nothing yet.
Stephen Stocks:
P erhaps while he's figuring that out, Brian, why don't you you can ask questions, Christy, you can move along.
Stephen Stocks:
Cool.
Brian Martinez:
So, let's start here.
Brian Martinez:
Number one is one of the things we had talked about was adding an interest reported to the title right there.
Brian Martinez:
Yes.
Brian Martinez:
Is that inside the right?
Cristin Hofhine:
It's not in there, but we don't have to have it in there.
Cristin Hofhine:
We can file a notice of interest on anything they want.
Cristin Hofhine:
So, county along with HASU file notice of interests, I have drafted those.
Cristin Hofhine:
I'll just file those and then HASU will be notified anytime title is pulled.
Brian Martinez:
Okay.
Brian Martinez:
And then let's see here.
Brian Martinez:
Street 1, had that one.
Brian Martinez:
The other one that I had is from an email that you had.
Brian Martinez:
So I didn't see inside here.
Brian Martinez:
We just talked about the nine month restriction, which would basically pReclude people from buying these homes and then not staying inside them.
Brian Martinez:
Where is that going to be once again?
Cristin Hofhine:
So that will be in the new deed restriction that will be filed on top of properties because development agreements and final plots have already been reported.
Cristin Hofhine:
We can add things like that onto it.
Cristin Hofhine:
That would be in the new deed restriction.
Cristin Hofhine:
There would be some verbiage that talks about an aggregate of I believe it was eighteen months out Of 36.
Cristin Hofhine:
Eighteen months of 30 that is I want
Brian Martinez:
To make sure that they're somewhat actively.
Cristin Hofhine:
And that is similar to An SIA so it's not in front of you, it's not in here because yeah it's just a contract people in charge.
Brian Martinez:
I just wanted to make sure that you still have that right there on the table.
Bill Winfield:
And then,
Brian Martinez:
I think the other questions I got.
Brian Martinez:
That's all I actually.
Brian Martinez:
You.
Bill Winfield:
All right, Bart.
Bill Winfield:
Are we able to hear you now?
Bart Kunz:
Can you hear me now?
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bart Kunz:
Excellent.
Bart Kunz:
Steven mentioned, I just got this Recently, so I haven't done a legal review of it.
Bart Kunz:
But one thing I did want to make sure that the commission was aware of, and I think needs to be addressed if it's going to be adopted, is that at least the version that I have, which is the one from the agenda, the formatting and the numbering is off so that there are gaps in the sections which presents a problem because there are also internal references to some of those sections, which is going to create ambiguity.
Bart Kunz:
So that needs to be resolved going forward before it's adopted.
Bart Kunz:
As well as I noticed in the section, what is it, two qualified household, there still seems to be a decision that needs to be made on the definition of the ownership exceptions with roman I, roman I, and then there's two alternatives there as well.
Bart Kunz:
So that needs to be resolved as well.
Bart Kunz:
And that's just something that I noticed that would need to be done.
Bart Kunz:
We would ask that if it does get passed tonight, that it has an effective date perhaps two weeks from now so that we can complete the legal review in time in case we spot any legal issues that can be raised and then it would become effective if we don't.
Trish Hedin:
Are you done, Bart?
Trish Hedin:
Don't wanna step over the top of you.
Bart Kunz:
No, I'm done.
Bart Kunz:
Yeah.
Bart Kunz:
That's it.
Trish Hedin:
Okay.
Trish Hedin:
Cool.
Trish Hedin:
I was just it's not really questions.
Trish Hedin:
It's maybe just a Recommendation for the chair.
Trish Hedin:
I'm just wondering if we shouldn't break this down into talking about and making a vote on the local ownership in the local area and then the remainder of the modifications, the amendment.
Trish Hedin:
So just a thought because that was kind of to me like, you know, we spent one whole planning commission just talking about one thing and another.
Trish Hedin:
It's just a thought.
Bill Winfield:
I don't see a need to break it into three.
Bill Winfield:
I'm open if some other commissioners want to discuss that.
Bill Winfield:
I personally would like to address a few things regarding this HDHO.
Bill Winfield:
As we move forward here and the HDHO was never designed as subsidized housing.
Bill Winfield:
The HDHO is for the missing middle.
Bill Winfield:
It's not subsidized.
Bill Winfield:
There's no government subsidization here.
Bill Winfield:
There was an increase in density that allowed to the contractors to try and build into this, but this isn't for affordable housing.
Bill Winfield:
The land trust is free land.
Bill Winfield:
That's how they got subsidized at Arroyo Crossing, And it's important that we remember that they got a huge subsid subsidization there, and they didn't they don't own the property.
Bill Winfield:
This is a whole different can of worms with the HDHO.
Bill Winfield:
The rules are much stricter than they are at the land trust.
Bill Winfield:
And so we've we've got a Recommendation is is that we vote to open this up as the planning commission has Recommended that we do.
Bill Winfield:
The original intent hasn't been met, and I appreciate and respect the fact that council member Myers or whatever title she was under when she's here, she's been with us for a very long time from when this was designed and when it was first implemented.
Bill Winfield:
And for the Record, I was the first permit issued for the HDHO, and I was against it from day one when it was manipulated and changed from the original intent.
Bill Winfield:
And maybe it wasn't manipulated.
Bill Winfield:
Maybe just when legal got into it, they found all kinds of problems there.
Bill Winfield:
So really what we're doing here is we're coming in and amending something that hasn't been working in the five years that we've been in the middle of this.
Bill Winfield:
We're at, I think you said 63 homes out of 300 and that's been reduced because I believe somebody is on missed their date on their phase three.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
So it's reduced down to 250 or 60 homes in five years, this is not a success, and there's there's this huge need to open this up.
Bill Winfield:
And I'm I know that we've had comments from a lot of people that don't like the 75 mile thing, and I wanna address that as well because we are opening it up to people that work in Grand County by allowing somebody who's currently living in Green River or Monticello.
Bill Winfield:
I know of somebody who lives in Blanding who drives to work every day to work at the county.
Bill Winfield:
So by opening that mileage up, if you think about it, we're letting people that work here possibly live here.
Bill Winfield:
We're not trying to subsidize San Juan County's housing or Emery County's, we're trying to help our local workers find housing here.
Bill Winfield:
And that's why I'm a fan of the 75 miles.
Bill Winfield:
The 84532 didn't cover.
Bill Winfield:
We have police officers, we have medical, we have engineers— We have all kinds of people that could be living in Grand County if they could find the house.
Bill Winfield:
And that's why I'm supportive of the recommendations that came forward out of the Planning Commission.
Bill Winfield:
And I'm welcome to hear others.
Bill Winfield:
They want to speak up, Brian.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah, I think I'd like to start off with just putting a motion out.
Brian Martinez:
So I move to approve the amendments to Article 4.7 of the Grand County Land Use Code as presented in Ordinance HDL Land Use Code Amendment twenty twenty five and HDHO Exhibit A as Recommended by the Planning Commission with the following corrections.
Brian Martinez:
Number one, make sure that we add a notice of interest Recorded to the title alerting HASU of sale to ensure the buyer is a qualified household.
Brian Martinez:
Two, amend section four under definitions to a person with a work history required under subsection a one through a three of this section for the two years prior.
Brian Martinez:
And then this is the section I would like to add, or has lived in the local area for five years prior to retirement, or the widow or widower of a person who satisfies the foregoing requirements.
Brian Martinez:
Number three, under section three, application process d renewal.
Brian Martinez:
To contact each renter on an annual basis to requalify the household.
Brian Martinez:
A qualified household this is the part to add.
Brian Martinez:
Qualified household's renter must not be changed during the year without the re approval thirty days prior to change.
Brian Martinez:
And then four, Recommend to staff and the county attorney under section two qualified household to make sure that we're clear that the deed restriction for the twenty, thirty, 50 split of the units in the development stay within each deed restriction.
Bill Winfield:
And then do we need to make a note to what part?
Brian Martinez:
I can go through those each, you know, kinda as as we go.
Brian Martinez:
But right there and then and then also, I'd that the fifth one right there is that the the property occupied by an actively employed household for an aggregate of nine months during all of the prior calendar year with supporting evidence be added to the decreeching as we have discussed earlier.
Bill Winfield:
We still need the verbiage.
Bill Winfield:
Think Bart would like final legal review.
Bill Winfield:
Sorry.
Brian Martinez:
With an effective date two weeks from now.
Brian Martinez:
Pending legal review.
Stephen Stocks:
And the ability to clean up the gaps in the sections.
Brian Martinez:
And the ability to clean up the gaps in the sections.
Brian Martinez:
That's a lot.
Stephen Stocks:
Bart, any additions on that motion?
Bart Kunz:
No, that's great.
Bart Kunz:
That's just my just as my concerns.
Bart Kunz:
Thank you.
Mike McCurdy:
Thank you.
Mike McCurdy:
Second, but I still have a question.
Mike McCurdy:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
Yep, I see him.
Bill Winfield:
Motion by commissioner Martinez, seconded by commissioner McCurdy with questions and I'll go to Michael first and then Mary and then Jacques and then Trish.
Mike McCurdy:
Just a quick recap or what's the number of homes out of 300 that will be part of this?
Mike McCurdy:
There's no more being approved to this.
Mike McCurdy:
So what's the number?
Cristin Hofhine:
When you guys approve, this gets approved immediately in two weeks, an ordinance will take two weeks to be approved, don't know if he meant two weeks after in addition to the two weeks that order to take to become effective anyway.
Cristin Hofhine:
It's clarified by, but anyway, zero immediately.
Cristin Hofhine:
As far as what will become a, like the rules and regulations will change.
Cristin Hofhine:
So, the way lawsuit will go, will go about approving people changes.
Cristin Hofhine:
But as of like when you pass this, nothing, no deed restriction automatically changes.
Cristin Hofhine:
We have to go through that separately.
Cristin Hofhine:
So those will have to come to the county attorney's office, enter into those.
Cristin Hofhine:
So yes, approval will change, but immediate changes none.
Mike McCurdy:
Okay, and what's the totality of the number that it can affect?
Mike McCurdy:
153.
Mike McCurdy:
153.
Cristin Hofhine:
Well, 53 have COO right now.
Cristin Hofhine:
There are some that have been approved, There's 98 deed restricted departments and 34 deed restricted.
Cristin Hofhine:
But these are all, yeah.
Cristin Hofhine:
So there's 53, thirty four and ninety eight immediately.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Cristin Hofhine:
That could.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Alright, Mary.
Mary McGann:
Yes.
Mary McGann:
Yeah.
Mary McGann:
Okay.
Mary McGann:
I wanted to make sure I wasn't muted.
Mary McGann:
What I wanted to say is I have I like the way it's been changed to make it easier to get a loan and approval for a loan.
Mary McGann:
I think that was a very, very good change.
Mary McGann:
I'm comfortable with the increase in the definition of employed, you know, opening it up to different know, and the people who work live and work in Moab, but may have a a job that they work on the Internet, for instance.
Mary McGann:
And I like the idea of the the additions of being a widow and those types of things I 'm comfortable with.
Mary McGann:
I would be comfortable with the 75 miles if we had it clearer in in the ordinance.
Mary McGann:
Because I called Chrissy today because I read it over a number of times, and it doesn't state what your intent was, Bill.
Mary McGann:
Because I agree with you.
Mary McGann:
I know Nicole that works at the at the BLM and people who work for Sovereign Lands and such have had to live out of town and, you know, Monticello or Green River and move into Moa, you know, to and then commute to Moa for work.
Mary McGann:
But in the in the present language, it just says 75 miles.
Mary McGann:
It doesn't just make I would like to see some language in there that said, 75 miles for people who work in Grand County.
Mary McGann:
Then I would be comfortable with the 75 miles.
Mary McGann:
I'm not comfortable with just the 75 miles.
Mary McGann:
I am also not comfortable with the new split.
Mary McGann:
I think changing those what we're talking about changing is enough.
Mary McGann:
I don't think we need to change the percentage at this point.
Mary McGann:
I I there was an article.
Mary McGann:
I don't know how many people read the Salt Lake Tribune, but there was an article in the Salt Lake Tribune on Sunday.
Mary McGann:
There was one, and then a different one on Monday discussing the importance of owning a home.
Mary McGann:
How owning a home helps people get out of the cycle of poverty and cycle of you know, it it's a secure mechanism to enable people to to become secure financially.
Mary McGann:
So I'm not at all comfortable with opening up to have people from outside buy these units then rent them because that was not the intent.
Mary McGann:
The intent was not only to have housing for locals.
Mary McGann:
It was also to enable locals to have that security of owning as opposed to renting.
Mary McGann:
So I'm very comfortable with those three changes if we clarify that if it's in '70 that the person has to live and work in Grand County.
Mary McGann:
They can't live in, you know, is that I think that's really important because we wanted our local workforce to have housing, and I just am not at all comfortable with changing the percentage.
Mary McGann:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Was that it, Mary?
Mary McGann:
Yes.
Mary McGann:
That's it for now.
Mary McGann:
A nd I'm a little I would almost rather…I kinda I we've talked about it in the past is I'm a little uncomfortable approving something without a a legal review being in front of us and that the word changing that Brian mentioned, I think having it for people to look at would be much clearer and safer rather than voting on it tonight.
Mary McGann:
So I would prefer to wait for legal review, and I would like to not have to change in the percentage.
Mary McGann:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
And, Jacques, if we could hold up, what I would like to do is hold the 06:00 citizens to be heard in case there are people that wanna speak to this issue.
Bill Winfield:
And we've also got a public hearing that I need to open if that's fine with you, Jacques.
Bill Winfield:
I'll wait until we come back from that.
Jacques Hadler:
Yeah.
Jacques Hadler:
That's no no problem, Bill.
Jacques Hadler:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Do we wanna start with public hearing?
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
Then I'm gonna start with citizens be heard.
Bill Winfield:
I know a lot of people are here to speak.
Bill Winfield:
We'll start here in the chamber.
Bill Winfield:
Yes, ma'am.
Bill Winfield:
First one with your hand up.
Bill Winfield:
State your name, and we've got three minutes and take it away.
Barbara Hicks, public comment:
My name is Barbara Hicks, and I have sat through the last two budget workshops, quite an education.
Barbara Hicks, public comment:
Really admire you guys, what you're doing, put in a lot of time and effort, and you really seem to have a good handle on those complicated financial statements and really admire what you're doing.
Barbara Hicks, public comment:
So today, my takeaway when things wrapped up before was that some of you wanna take a 100% of the shortfall out of reserves.
Barbara Hicks, public comment:
Some of you wanna take none of the shortfalls out of reserve.
Barbara Hicks, public comment:
What about a compromise?
Barbara Hicks, public comment:
What about you take half out of reserves and and try to find a million dollars, and I'm rounding rounding out of the budget.
Barbara Hicks, public comment:
Now you've only got six months to carve out a million dollars, and I don't know how you're gonna do that if you don't cut, wages and benefits because that is about 80% of of nonessential departmental expenses.
Barbara Hicks, public comment:
So good luck with that, but I encourage you to maybe come up with a compromise, some out of reserves, some out of the budget.
Barbara Hicks, public comment:
Thank you for your hard work.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Anybody else?
Bill Winfield:
Yes, ma'am.
Bill Winfield:
Please step up.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
I have a little offering for you.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
I know you've been here all day.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
Okay.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
I'm just gonna pass these around.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
You wanna take some?
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
They're nice and cold.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
You're welcome.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
My name's Ann Goodspeed and I'm here on behalf of the Friends of Moab Pickleball, a vibrant growing community here with more than 80 locals and players.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
Thank you for your opportunity to speak and more importantly for all that you're doing to serve Grant County.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
We Recognize the tough decisions before you today and truly honor the complexity of this work.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
That said, I'd like to briefly spotlight the transformative topic of your of this on your agenda tonight, pickleball.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
It is the fastest growing sport in the nation, and for good reason.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
It's more than Recreation.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
It is a life saving community building force.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
In a time of rising loneliness and mental health challenges, the sport delivers what they need most: connection, movement, and joy.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
I'd like to just recognize Michael Toninelli, who I met playing along.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
Stand and share a little bit about your story of physical.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
Actually, he'll be given a chance to come up, ma'am.
Bill Winfield:
So
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
Okay.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
So the science is clear that racquet sports like pickleball improve brain health, reduce depression, and lower the risk of dementia.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
On our courts, retirees are getting active, teens are unplugging, and newcomers are finding fast friends.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
It's providing purpose, health, and belonging all in one simple, joyful game.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
It's the cheapest therapy you will ever find.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
We're not just here to ask, we're here to partner.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
We set up a nonprofit accounting for fundraising.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
We're ready to support tournaments alongside Angie at the arena, and we've got a team of volunteers who will happily help with court, maintenance, landscaping, and even weed pulling if needed.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
Moab's a place of movement magic, and pickleball is proving to be a part of that, but would be so much more powerful if we had a dedicated space.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
If now isn't the time to fully fund the proposed arena courts, please understand.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
We understand.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
But please don't put us on your back burner.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
We'd love to be a big part of this page next year for 2026.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
We would love to be host a tournament for something like this.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
It would be super fun and do many, more of things of that nature.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
Thank you again for your service, for helping make Moab a place where we can all connect, move, and heal together here in God's Playground.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thanks for the grapes.
Mike McCurdy:
I know we, don't normally interact, and this is not a direct interaction.
Mike McCurdy:
Can you please get with Comm-Admin and be part of a few I I made it a future conversation for our next agenda, but please get with Comm-Admin and be part of that conversation too.
Mike McCurdy:
It'll be coming up next next round.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
Okay.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
Let me know.
Mike McCurdy:
Thanks.
Brian Martinez:
Okay.
Brian Martinez:
You're welcome.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
Yes, Mike.
Bill Winfield:
Please.
Bill Winfield:
Oh, sorry.
Bill Winfield:
Oh, please.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
I'm just pretty short today.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
My name is Mike Torronelli.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
I've been in Moab since '76.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
I bought a house and started business in '84.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
Last time I talked to you guys, talked about how the community of pickleball, because I had just retired and I lost kind of my family.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
I lost all the other contractors and it was r eal quiet and the dog.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
I didn't tell you about the health part.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
Painting for fifty years is a lot of work and it feels really good to sit down.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
And I know it's the kiss of death if I sit down.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
Pickleball makes me get up and makes me get up early.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
And so I guess to each one of you, what would it feel like if you can get, if you can help somebody stay healthier, be happier, and be more agile?
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
Like, what would that be worth to you?
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
And then times that times the 80 people that we got that that are just on our chat, let alone people that come.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
So that's about it.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
I do I mean, I don't mean to throw the this in there, Blanding had ribbon cutting last week on their flipping pickleball courts.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
Blanding you guys.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
Any of you that had kids in school know what that means.
Anne Goodspeed, public comment:
Happy birthday, Mike.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
Thank you.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
Oh, it would be an awesome present.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
Alright, next please.
Mike Torronelli, public comment:
You.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
I'm Everett Olebrandt.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
I live i n Spanish Valley.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
I'm not very informed on the HTHO thing.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
Haven't read all the documents and stuff, but I've been doing a bit of research.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
And beyond this decision, obviously, this problem will continue to exist, right?
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
Like the new problem of housing in Grant County and Moab for employees and affordable housing in general.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
Park City is about twenty years ahead of us.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
If you look on the curves in terms of the medium housing price, those sorts of details.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
So now the medium home price is over 2,500,000.0.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
There are workers gaining longer distances to get into Park City, for example.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
They did take proactive action, including creating a formal housing authority, kind of a more government sanctioned housing authority rather than having nonprofits in town.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
That seemed to be actually pretty effective.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
Aspen and Steamboat also have formal housing authorities.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
And then another strategy they used was land banking.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
So buying up land early while it's cheaper and holding onto it for a long period of time and then using that later.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
Actually, Grand County is probably doing better than Park City if you look at the same curves in terms of the affordable housing that's available.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
And we do have strong nonprofits in town addressing this.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
So I think, you know, it's good to think also about the future beyond this decision as well.
Everett Hildebrandt, public comment:
Yes.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, sir.
Bill Winfield:
Anybody else?
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
Is it possible for me to speak for a second time?
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Bill Winfield:
We'll allow you to follow.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
Okay, and do tell me if I'm out of order, I'm just going to tell you to clarify what I've said earlier, but it might clarify something else, I believe the 75 miles is what makes a person a local employee.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
So a person who lived in Price, who worked in Moab, the required hours and etc, would be a locally employed person and could get a house under the HDHO in Moab or wherever the house was built.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
It's where you work, so if this change goes into place, somebody who works in place, is on an actively employed household and can buy a house, houses the HDHO houses.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
So that's the difference, that is, actively employed household is working within 75 miles, but somebody who's 300 miles away who works in Grant County is an actively employed household and could then move and get a house in the HDHO, that's my understanding and reading of it, we had the same discussion of planning commission meeting and one of the planning commissioners didn't understand that it is complex, thank you.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
Thank you, sir.
Bob O'Brien, public comment:
Anybody else?
Bill Winfield:
Yes, please.
Barb Cross, public comment:
Good evening.
Barb Cross, public comment:
My name is Bob Cross and I live on Hunt Ridge Drive.
Barb Cross, public comment:
Sometimes I feel like senior citizens in Moab are being ignored.
Barb Cross, public comment:
Pay taxes that keep going up.
Barb Cross, public comment:
We are ignored by the local school board who make it extremely difficult for us to play at the school despite the fact we all pay school taxes.
Barb Cross, public comment:
We try to be nice to visitors who come play at the gym, but it is difficult since we only have two courts to play on.
Barb Cross, public comment:
But pickleball, pickleball folks who come here are very nice and appReciative.
Barb Cross, public comment:
I just want to mention our friends, Wally, Juan and Diane, who have come to Moab for the past two years for the whole month of February.
Barb Cross, public comment:
They play pickleball in the morning and hike in the afternoon.
Barb Cross, public comment:
I think that would be a great tourist ad for Moab, as hiking at Arches is fantastic in the winter.
Barb Cross, public comment:
I also mentioned a good place to eat was the Broken Ore, and I saw them at the Broken Ore twice.
Barb Cross, public comment:
So, they're staying for a month, they're eating in our restaurants, and they're here in February.
Barb Cross, public comment:
Please consider helping us get to the pickleball courts.
Barb Cross, public comment:
Although I'm retired, I still work for Grand County Hospice part time because of the lack of nurses.
Barb Cross, public comment:
I need to take law courts for my mental health.
Barb Cross, public comment:
And I think it's great for all the senior citizens in town.
Barb Cross, public comment:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Anybody else?
Bill Winfield:
Yes, please come on.
Patty Jones, public comment:
Hello, my name is Patty Jones.
Patty Jones, public comment:
There's just a couple of things that I think haven't been said about pickleball courts that I'd like to offer up.
Patty Jones, public comment:
It's been five years since we've been trying to get pickleball courts in the city and county.
Patty Jones, public comment:
For the first three years, we've attempted to get pickleball courts through the city.
Patty Jones, public comment:
We went through all kinds of avenues and searched every place that there was to position them and and come up with nothing.
Patty Jones, public comment:
Although city tried and and we tried, and now we're here, You know, Through no fault of our own or your own to try to get this accomplished.
Patty Jones, public comment:
So that's the first thing I'd like to say.
Patty Jones, public comment:
And the second thing I'd like to say is I'm a, like, a half cup empty type person.
Patty Jones, public comment:
But w hen I look at t he figures for this pickleball courts and your guys' initial, cost was $600,000 and the city generously offered up a $150,000, which brings your amount to $450,000, which is a lot of money.
Patty Jones, public comment:
But when you think you're getting a state of the art playground and eight fabulous pickleball courts, that's you're never gonna get a cheaper deal.
Patty Jones, public comment:
There's never gonna be a cheaper deal than that for you guys if you hang on to this for another how long, and I don't know how long that would be.
Patty Jones, public comment:
It's it's it's never going to be such so you can either have a cup half empty and not no quartz or half full and pay the lowest price you'll ever have for such a it's a good deal.
Patty Jones, public comment:
Thank you all.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Anybody else, please?
Sandy Phipps, public comment:
My name is Sandy Phipps.
Sandy Phipps, public comment:
I've lived in Moab area for thirteen years now.
Sandy Phipps, public comment:
You're hearing a lot about what pickleball does for senior citizens.
Sandy Phipps, public comment:
I think what has been overlooked in our presentations to you is that this is the fastest growing sport in the nation.
Sandy Phipps, public comment:
There are 30 high schools in the state of Utah that have competitive pickleball clubs.
Sandy Phipps, public comment:
We are leading the nation in that respect.
Sandy Phipps, public comment:
It is not just for senior citizens, it is used by the middle school PE teacher as part of his curriculum and it is growing and we need to address that.
Sandy Phipps, public comment:
I was horrified to find out Blanding has courts now and we So I would really like to see us address that and get that fixed.
Sandy Phipps, public comment:
Thank you.
Sandy Phipps, public comment:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Anybody else?
Bill Winfield:
Anybody online?
Bill Winfield:
Anybody online that would like to speak at the 06:00 sentence be heard.
Bill Winfield:
Alright, seeing none.
Bill Winfield:
We will move on and we w ill open t he public hearing.
Bill Winfield:
Which one is that?
Bill Winfield:
Inside number 5.
Bill Winfield:
Number 4.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
Think about it.
Bill Winfield:
Right.
Bill Winfield:
This is public hearing for the Grand County midyear budget amendment.
Bill Winfield:
We'll open this public hearing.
Bill Winfield:
We'll ask if anybody's here to speak on the public portion of the Grand County budget amendment.
Bill Winfield:
If not, we'll leave this open until Wednesday at 05:00, I believe.
Stephen Stocks:
Wednesday of the week preceding the next meeting.
Bill Winfield:
Wednesday of the week preceding the next meeting.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
So what else do we need to do here?
Bill Winfield:
I think.
Stephen Stocks:
Make sure there's nobody here to speak on it online, etcetera, for public hearing.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
Is there anybody here to speak in the chambers or online regarding the Grand County mid year budget amendment?
Bill Winfield:
Seeing none, we will leave this public hearing open and Wednesday at 5PM of the week.
Bill Winfield:
Wednesday the ninth.
Mary McGann:
Bill, Bill, just a minute.
Mary McGann:
Bill, this is Mary.
Mary McGann:
I'm sorry.
Mary McGann:
I didn't get my hand up in time, but I think a couple of those comments for citizens to be heard were really more they were probably thinking it was the budget hearing.
Mary McGann:
I guess I could ask them to resubmit their concerns about the pickleball course and the miss Hicks that talked about compromise.
Bill Winfield:
And they they've all left the commission chambers, Mary.
Mary McGann:
Well, maybe somebody will tell them.
Mary McGann:
Thank you.
Gabe Woytek:
I can make sure those comments are included in the record for this hearing.
Gabe Woytek:
Sure.
Gabe Woytek:
Yeah.
Gabe Woytek:
And and.
Bill Winfield:
Gabe said, Mary, that he Would include those comments for this public hearing.
Mary McGann:
Thank you, Gabe, because I really do think there was a bit confusion.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
And we will go back to our discussion regarding the changes to the HDHO, and where I left off was going.
Jacques Hadler:
Thank you, Bill.
Stephen Stocks:
Just for people trying to track long item number 10 ordinance amending the Grand County land use code 4.7 high density housing overlay.
Brian Martinez:
I can repeat the motion.
Stephen Stocks:
We actually, that's actually a fair point.
Stephen Stocks:
We actually are having somebody write out your full motion picture.
Stephen Stocks:
I don't know.
Stephen Stocks:
I can't good faith.
Stephen Stocks:
And I don't know if anybody else can repeat that the motions were having to write it down.
Jacques Hadler:
That was This is Jacques.
Jacques Hadler:
I was next up.
Bill Winfield:
Go ahead, Jacques.
Jacques Hadler:
Thank you, Bill.
Jacques Hadler:
When Brian was reading his motion, I was having a few technical difficulties so I didn't hear everything he heard.
Jacques Hadler:
I think it would be helpful maybe maybe Chrissy be the right person, maybe somebody else just to just to point out the additions in in plain English or how they affect the change.
Jacques Hadler:
Maybe Brian would be the best person for that.
Jacques Hadler:
Then after that, I did want to stay on and just make a couple of comments if that's okay.
Stephen Stocks:
Sure.
Stephen Stocks:
And just one more note, Dana's going to repeat verbatim.
Stephen Stocks:
We're going to get it verbatim what the motion is because that's what it controls.
Stephen Stocks:
But you can give input on the items because there were addition, couple additions.
Brian Martinez:
Sure.
Brian Martinez:
So the first is just to accept the HDHO as was recommended by the Planning Commission.
Brian Martinez:
And then the additions right there.
Brian Martinez:
The first, we want to add a notice of interest Recorded to the title that will alert HASU when there's been a sale.
Brian Martinez:
Because right now they're having some issues with not so if it's, you know, if it's a local, if it's a local title company, the local title company knows how to work with the HDHO.
Brian Martinez:
But if it's an out of town title company, they might not know to alert pass you to make sure that it's a qualified buyer prior to the purchase.
Brian Martinez:
That's where that first one is, is just to make sure that that's in there.
Brian Martinez:
The second amendment right there, which was a person with a work history under subsection A1 through three of this section for the two years prior has lived in the local area.
Brian Martinez:
I'm sorry.
Brian Martinez:
Has worked basically in the local area for two years.
Brian Martinez:
The addition that I'm asking for here is that somebody who's lived here for five years is allowed to, and then is retired would also be a qualified household.
Brian Martinez:
And so what that would be is, like, let's say that someone has lived here for, I don't know, five years and worked remotely.
Brian Martinez:
Right.
Brian Martinez:
I would want to make sure that they're still considered a qualified household because under the current regs, retired people who did not work in Grand County would not be considered a qualified household.
Brian Martinez:
So that's where that recommendations coming in right there.
Brian Martinez:
Three under the renewal process right there.
Brian Martinez:
If someone was if somebody had rented out the units right right now, there's only it looks like there's only a spot for those units to be basically reviewed by HASU on a yearly basis.
Brian Martinez:
But if we have like, we have CMHA who has people and they might be moving people in every three months on something like that.
Brian Martinez:
We wanna make sure that if that something is gonna happen where renters change within that, year period that they are qualified through Hassou prior to changing renters right there.
Brian Martinez:
And then the last one right there that has to do with that twenty, thirty, 50 split is the way that it's written.
Brian Martinez:
I want to make sure that the deed restrictions are attached to each unit sold, so that there's no floating of those numbers inside of a development.
Brian Martinez:
Let's say that a development has 100 units, 20 of them could be sold to anybody that's around.
Brian Martinez:
You could just sell those on the free market.
Brian Martinez:
30 of those units you could sell to out of town investors, and then 50 of the units would have to be sold to people who live here locally.
Brian Martinez:
So they would have to be sold here locally.
Brian Martinez:
What I want to make sure is that the deed restrictions are attached to each deed right there, and that it's not the development's job to say, well, we have this many right now, and we have 20 over here, and we have 30 over here.
Brian Martinez:
Exactly, so it's attached to the law.
Brian Martinez:
So those are the ones right there.
Brian Martinez:
And then the last one, hold on, let me just look it up because I got it in an email here, to stop people from being able to rent or to basically out of town people to buy these and or even in town people to buy them and then not have these units occupied by primary residency, we would have an aggregate basically of nine months that they would have to be lived in each year, right?
Brian Martinez:
Or eighteen months over thirty six years, because you know thirty— Thirty six months, I'm sorry.
Brian Martinez:
Months.
Brian Martinez:
So that if there was, you know, if they had a bad time when they couldn't do a rental, right, then we could go, okay, well, there was a little bit of time, but we want to try to make sure that these units are not being used as second homes.
Brian Martinez:
And that's what the purpose of that restriction right there was.
Bill Winfield:
All right, Jacques, I know you wanted to come back after hearing Brian clarify that.
Jacques Hadler:
Yeah, thank you.
Jacques Hadler:
So sorry, I was I think I got all of that, but the retirement addition that they have to have lived here for five years prior to retirement to qualify so you can't yeah right?
Brian Martinez:
Correct yeah.
Jacques Hadler:
Okay I think I got all that then I think my position on this is I do like Mary I definitely prefer the eighty/twenty split I think that's that's my biggest hang up in the in the whole in the whole recommendation from the Planning Commission.
Jacques Hadler:
I mostly like the direction of where this is going and I'd be I'd be quite supportive but I think all of the other modifications it would be it would be good just I mean we can always change this again we can come back to it in a year and and going with the other modifications and then seeing seeing how that helps move units and get people in units how that would work under the the ongoing 80/20 split before changing that to a fifty fifty would would absolutely be my preference.
Jacques Hadler:
Otherwise, just want to say that I appreciate all the time and effort that's gone into this.
Jacques Hadler:
I think I think these are some welcome changes and looking forward to seeing how it works out.
Bill Winfield:
All right.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, Jacques.
Bill Winfield:
And I'm gonna let the county attorney weigh in here.
Stephen Stocks:
Just if anybody has additional questions for Bart, he's joining us.
Stephen Stocks:
And so if there were any questions that we could send his way, I think we'd really appreciate that.
Stephen Stocks:
That way he can go on a dinner date or whatever he's got planned for tonight.
Trish Hedin:
But then I was after Jacques.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Questions for Bart?
Bill Winfield:
Because that's what we would like to do is just let Bart go.
Bill Winfield:
So, if there's any question.
Bill Winfield:
Do you have a Bart question?
Bill Winfield:
I'm not.
Bill Winfield:
Has anybody?
Bill Winfield:
No.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
All right.
Stephen Stocks:
Thank you, Bart.
Stephen Stocks:
And that saves the county money by letting him go.
Bart Kunz:
I just raise one issue?
Bart Kunz:
I haven't heard anyone address the commentary that's still in the ordinance under Section two qualified household A2 ownership exceptions with the two alternative lease down there that are still part of the ordinance.
Bart Kunz:
So if I could just encourage someone to clean that up if the bill gets approved tonight before it gets approved.
Cristin Hofhine:
We'll make sure
Bart Kunz:
It's addressed.
Bart Kunz:
Do see what I'm saying?
Cristin Hofhine:
I understand what you're saying and I'll make sure that it's addressed.
Cristin Hofhine:
I think they wanted options as far as ownership goes.
Cristin Hofhine:
So that's what those were for.
Cristin Hofhine:
Right.
Cristin Hofhine:
Think that way it's we'll make sure that it's yeah.
Cristin Hofhine:
We'll make sure that
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
For your time tonight, Bart.
Bart Kunz:
Thank you, everyone.
Bart Kunz:
See you later.
Brian Martinez:
Question on that.
Brian Martinez:
Is that are those three options right there?
Brian Martinez:
Or are those are those three separate qualifications.
Cristin Hofhine:
No, those are three options for you guys to decide.
Brian Martinez:
So it was serving a local area and…bb
Cristin Hofhine:
No, no, No, Record team is talking about a different error.
Cristin Hofhine:
He's talking about the.
Cristin Hofhine:
In section two, qualified household Okay.
Cristin Hofhine:
Hold on.
Cristin Hofhine:
Of the rules and regulations.
Cristin Hofhine:
So go cleared up four point seven point one three, Section two qualified households.
Cristin Hofhine:
Yeah, so we have highlighted.
Cristin Hofhine:
Yeah, the highlighted and below that we have alternatively and below this had alternatively and you just that
Brian Martinez:
Was addressed in the motion.
Brian Martinez:
Yes, that was addressed in the motion because it was "as recommended by the planning commission"
Cristin Hofhine:
He just wants to make Sure it's removed before we…Yep.
Brian Martinez:
Gotcha.
Brian Martinez:
Okay.
Bart Kunz:
Excellent.
Bart Kunz:
Thanks,
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
All right, Trish.
Trish Hedin:
I think I want to start by making a substitute motion.
Trish Hedin:
So I move to approve the amendments to article 4.7 of the Grand County Land Use Code with the exception of I would like to retain the eighty twenty split from the original HDHO program ordinance and local workforce within 84532 zip code.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
We have a substitute motion by commissioner Hedin.
Bill Winfield:
Do I have a second?
Mary McGann:
Second.
Bill Winfield:
A second by commissioner McGann.
Trish Hedin:
If possible.
Trish Hedin:
I'd like to make a couple of comments surrounding that.
Bill Winfield:
Well, let's let's follow an order after the motion.
Bill Winfield:
Mike's been waiting, and then we'll come back to you.
Mike McCurdy:
My arm is dead.
Brian Martinez:
I'm u p as well.
Mike McCurdy:
To previous motion, Brian's, on that.
Mike McCurdy:
It is it is very much so going to put a continuous and expanded workload upon for the policing of this.
Mike McCurdy:
I am just here to put my support in for HASU if the need is there, that they have one of seven support in expanding services to HASU to make sure that they can actually do their job and follow through with this.
Bill Winfield:
Let's discuss Tricia's substitute motion and vote on it and then come back to the original if that doesn't pass.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
Melodie.
Melodie McCandless:
K.
Melodie McCandless:
So on the 75 mile radius, I think that that reason that that was selected was to stay in to have a little bit of unity as far as, you know, we just passed the purchasing plan or purchasing advisor policy and that had 75 mile radius.
Melodie McCandless:
And so I think that's why that was selected.
Melodie McCandless:
And I think that it's important.
Melodie McCandless:
We have a lot of people that work out right now.
Melodie McCandless:
The copper mine's not really employing anybody, but they should be really soon.
Melodie McCandless:
And, you know, if we don't include that section, we're going make all those people go live in Monticello or La Sal and not be in Grand County.
Melodie McCandless:
So, and as well as if that happens to, you know, there's a uranium out there.
Melodie McCandless:
So I think that having people, a lot of people live in Moab and work outside of the area, but it's close.
Melodie McCandless:
They're still citizens of Grand County.
Melodie McCandless:
They don't want to live in Monticello or in LaSal.
Melodie McCandless:
They want to live here.
Melodie McCandless:
And I even think that if we had people that were living in Monticello that were to qualify, they probably put the name to Moab because our wages are a lot higher.
Melodie McCandless:
So we we'd add more workforce into our community.
Melodie McCandless:
And I, you know, I just don't really see it going that direction.
Melodie McCandless:
I don't see a lot of Monticello and Blanding people buying a home in Moab and commuting and making lower wages.
Melodie McCandless:
They're gonna wanna make those better wages here.
Melodie McCandless:
But we do have people that work for the Park Service or the Forest Service that do get transfers.
Melodie McCandless:
They could have a house here and then they get transferred to Monticello or Blanding.
Melodie McCandless:
So then they would fit in there.
Melodie McCandless:
They would still fit in that.
Melodie McCandless:
So that's where that 75 mile radius fits in there.
Melodie McCandless:
I don't think that they're going to be coming in and taking up all of the homes.
Melodie McCandless:
Just because like I said, they have a lot lower income in those areas and imagine that they would just love to get a home here and move here and work here.
Melodie McCandless:
So that's just on 75.
Melodie McCandless:
I'm a 100% for it.
Melodie McCandless:
So I won't be voting on the substitute motion.
Melodie McCandless:
I do think that there is a little value in opening up some of that.
Melodie McCandless:
I would take the Recommendation of the planning and zoning as far as opening up of both from outside owning those and being rentals for those workforce.
Bill Winfield:
Brian, did you want to address the substitute?
Brian Martinez:
Yeah, I'd like to just address the substitute.
Brian Martinez:
So 80%—
Trish Hedin:
I guess you said Mike, and then after that I was supposed to go after Mike and now—
Bill Winfield:
Go ahead, Trish.
Trish Hedin:
Well, I'm trying not to raise my hand anymore because I get belittled for that.
Trish Hedin:
.
Brian Martinez:
I'm letting you speak, go ahead.
Trish Hedin:
I'm having a really hard time tonight, and unfortunately it started with the bullying behavior at the very beginning of the meeting.
Trish Hedin:
And I want state that very clearly.
Trish Hedin:
I am a very, very strong woman.
Trish Hedin:
I am.
Trish Hedin:
You're not going to find a lot of women that will kill an elk by herself and pack it out by herself.
Bill Winfield:
I think we should go—
Trish Hedin:
Let me just state this.
Trish Hedin:
The bullying needs to stop.
Trish Hedin:
The snickering, you guys, we are above this.
Trish Hedin:
And that behavior earlier on was really disturbing to me.
Trish Hedin:
And I'm going to call it bullying, and it needs to stop.
Trish Hedin:
I'm asking you that.
Trish Hedin:
I Tried it.
Brian Martinez:
Earlier I was just told that I wasn't allowed to discuss my motion, and now we're talking about bullying.
Brian Martinez:
Let's talk about the substitute motion.
Brian Martinez:
Great.
Trish Hedin:
So, I made this motion.
Trish Hedin:
I was not around when this program was developed.
Trish Hedin:
However, it was highly vetted.
Trish Hedin:
It went through a lot of iterations.
Trish Hedin:
And the communities took some hits.
Trish Hedin:
You you look at that, the individual that lives next to across from Buzz Bates, and they are now literally overshadowed by the HDHO.
Trish Hedin:
And I know that he's sent in complaints about the development.
Trish Hedin:
And so, we need to understand what these communities have conceded to do.
Trish Hedin:
They've given away that density.
Trish Hedin:
They have changed the character of their communities in order to have ownership for our workforce.
Trish Hedin:
And that ownership, we gave those developers a certain amount so that it could go to the open market, and the remainder was for ownership for our workforce.
Trish Hedin:
And all of us, all of us that I'm looking at ran on affordable housing.
Trish Hedin:
And this is one of the few things that this county can do to provide affordable housing.
Trish Hedin:
We're not land trust, but what we can do are small little steps like this to help.
Trish Hedin:
And so, by ratcheting it down, we're just giving away that we gave them that density, and now we're giving them more.
Trish Hedin:
And speaking to that, one of the developers at the very end of one of those Planning Commission meetings, she didn't catch that that split had changed.
Trish Hedin:
And when she called, she's like, just thank you so much for changing the actively employed, some of the definitions and the lendability, it helps tremendously.
Trish Hedin:
She goes, that'll help tremendously.
Trish Hedin:
And so she didn't even realize we gave her even more to the open market feasibly.
Trish Hedin:
She was happy with the changes as such.
Trish Hedin:
And so I just really want to for you guys to understand that there's not a lot that we can do to provide affordable housing.
Trish Hedin:
These are minor things that we can do.
Trish Hedin:
So, changing that split, even if it's, I don't know how many households it's going t o m anipulate, 50, I don't know.
Trish Hedin:
I didn't do the math on it, but that's a loss.
Trish Hedin:
That's a loss to our community.
Trish Hedin:
And so, I just kind of want to state that I know I'm not going to win the vote, but I do want people to revisit the idea of the capabilities that we do have and standing by those capabilities.
Bill Winfield:
All right, Brian, back to you and then we'll go to Mike.
Brian Martinez:
Okay.
Brian Martinez:
So first off, I guess let's start with, let's actually read the intent of the program as it's written, Right?
Brian Martinez:
Because there's a lot of people and they've taken the intent and they've they've they've made it to what they wanted to say.
Brian Martinez:
The intent of the program is facilitating the provision of new housing units used for primary residential occupancy by actively employed households.
Brian Martinez:
Period.
Brian Martinez:
That's it.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
It doesn't and and I do.
Brian Martinez:
I agree with people that that wealth is built by home ownership.
Brian Martinez:
But if we don't get these things built, right, 80% of zero is zero.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
If we don't go ahead and actually get some of these units built, right?
Brian Martinez:
Then it's gonna be nothing for anybody, right?
Brian Martinez:
We have the opportunity right here, right now, have 53 units that have certificate of occupancy, right?
Brian Martinez:
14 of them are sitting on the market because they were unlendable, right?
Brian Martinez:
53 out of 300 units, right?
Brian Martinez:
That's an F in my mind, Right?
Brian Martinez:
They're not being built.
Brian Martinez:
This is this program was defunct.
Brian Martinez:
I said what the whole purpose of revitalizing this was to try to get the units that are already vested to get them built so that we can provide housing for people as quickly as possible.
Brian Martinez:
There's 14 units that just by opening up the lending, we will be able to make these available to people in the next couple of weeks.
Brian Martinez:
They will become lendable.
Brian Martinez:
We also have 34 that are coming online.
Brian Martinez:
And then we also have 98 that are sitting there wondering, I'm sure they're looking at us right now going, what's gonna happen right now?
Brian Martinez:
Because they might be sitting there going, great, this is actually gonna be something that we can build and that we can sell and that we can get people in Grand County moved into houses.
Brian Martinez:
I said this at the beginning.
Brian Martinez:
I don't know why we are restricting people from the outside who want to fund our affordable housing.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
We are allowing people to come in here and invest and put people that we have right now living in vans inside of apartments.
Brian Martinez:
That's what we're trying to do right here.
Brian Martinez:
We are trying to open this up so that people have the opportunity to go ahead and find some rentals.
Brian Martinez:
Now, the way that I see this coming out in the future, people will talk about the market forces that are on there.
Brian Martinez:
Well, if we don't have anything built, there are gonna be no market forces that are gonna cause this to go up or cause the price to have any kind of stability.
Brian Martinez:
If these do get built and we actually do get caught up in our rental market and we have enough rental units, the prices on those rental units will no longer be a solid investment for the people who are who are owning those from outside.
Brian Martinez:
The only people that they'll be able to sell those units to are people who live in Grand County.
Brian Martinez:
You know, I wanted to talk a little bit about the 75 miles.
Brian Martinez:
The reason that we use the 75 miles is because Grand County is a big county.
Brian Martinez:
It's a lot bigger than Moab.
Brian Martinez:
And we need to make sure that we're looking out for the people who work in rural areas as well.
Brian Martinez:
People who work out in Cisco, they need to be able to qualify for this.
Brian Martinez:
People who work out in the Book Cliffs, need to be able to qualify to work for this.
Brian Martinez:
People who live in Green River, yes, there's people that live in Green River that are still in front of Grand County.
Brian Martinez:
They need to be able to qualify for this.
Brian Martinez:
People who work in Spanish Valley, they need to be able to qualify to work for this.
Brian Martinez:
Even if they don't live in Grand County, right?
Brian Martinez:
We have such a big portion of our population that lives in San Juan County and works in San Juan County.
Brian Martinez:
We needed to make this open enough.
Brian Martinez:
We need to come and start looking at affordable housing of, we need to get out of the way of ourselves.
Brian Martinez:
That's what's slowing us down.
Brian Martinez:
Why has nothing happened?
Brian Martinez:
It's because we put too many restrictions in there.
Brian Martinez:
Nothing gets built, nothing gets done, and we keep this crisis going and we talk out of one side of our mouth how we want to go for affordable housing, and on the other hand all we do is put restrictions down and stop any kind of development.
Bill Winfield:
Mike, please.
Mike McCurdy:
Actually a lot of points were encompassed between Trish and Brian here.
Mike McCurdy:
When did this ordinance begin?
Mike McCurdy:
When it was worked on and what did it go into
Cristin Hofhine:
I think it was started to Be written in 2017 and 2018.
Cristin Hofhine:
I want To say the last revision was…
Cristin Hofhine:
I don't even I could
Bill Winfield:
Y ears?
Bill Winfield:
Long time ago.
Mike McCurdy:
So.
Mike McCurdy:
I actually think I've built more homes in five years than this project has has brought on board.
Mike McCurdy:
We're again, we're talking maybe a 150 homes, not a complete guarantee, but 50 homes, 53, 54 homes are built.
Mike McCurdy:
We can get due to have this project sunset and work on another housing project, need to get done.
Mike McCurdy:
We're we're in our own way.
Mike McCurdy:
That was a great statement said.
Trish Hedin:
I'd like to call for a vote.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
I'll call for a vote after I've made some comments here.
Bill Winfield:
Number one, I wanna remind people the HDHO is not affordable housing.
Bill Winfield:
Affordable housing is subsidized.
Bill Winfield:
This is not subsidized.
Bill Winfield:
This is not a loss.
Bill Winfield:
The loss is that there are people that could be getting into homes.
Bill Winfield:
Changing this is not a loss.
Bill Winfield:
Changing this is a win for this community and for those that need it the most.
Bill Winfield:
And so with that said, I'll call for a vote on Tricia's substitute.
Bill Winfield:
Seconded by Mary McGann.
Bill Winfield:
All those in favor of the substitute?
Bill Winfield:
Aye.
Bill Winfield:
All opposed.
Bill Winfield:
The motion fails.
Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McCurdy, Commissioner Martinez, Commissioner McCandless, and Commissioner Winfield against.
Bill Winfield:
Yes, sir.
Stephen Stocks:
Dana went through the efforts of typing up the motion.
Stephen Stocks:
So we're working with.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
With that being said, I will go back to discussion on the original motion.
Bill Winfield:
If we've got anybody and Jacques or Mary, feel free raise your hand.
Stephen Stocks:
And Chair I'm also going to email.
Stephen Stocks:
I just I realized that, commissioner Hadler and commissioner McGann do not have it.
Stephen Stocks:
And so if they if you wait one moment, I'll make sure that they have a copy of it.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
And again, thank you, Dana, for rushing that through.
Jacques Hadler:
Is that to clarify, Stephen, is that gonna get emailed to us?
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Bill Winfield:
It's coming right now, Jacques.
Bill Winfield:
And alright, I will go back to discuss and Brian.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah.
Brian Martinez:
I'll just open up that motion real quick.
Brian Martinez:
So first off, I'd just like to say, you know, in the, in the where as is on this, you know, I think there's a really important thing as the program is a pilot.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
And I think that's one thing that we forget.
Brian Martinez:
This is not the silver bullet that's going to solve affordable housing.
Brian Martinez:
This is a pilot program.
Brian Martinez:
We're supposed to take it.
Brian Martinez:
We're supposed to manipulate it.
Brian Martinez:
We're supposed to see if we can make this work right here so that we can see if this is something that we want to continue on in the future or if it's something that we want to just let go.
Brian Martinez:
Know, it's our job right here to actively monitor the success and the shortcomings of this program and from time to time revised aspects of the program in order to improve its goal of providing housing to the local workforce.
Brian Martinez:
That's right there, and I think that that's really important.
Brian Martinez:
But I'd also like to just speak real quick on how we came to this right here.
Brian Martinez:
There was a lot of hard work and a lot of people that came together to work on this.
Brian Martinez:
I Mean, Chrissy put in a ton of work.
Brian Martinez:
Trish, Mike, we all sat here.
Brian Martinez:
We did things that we didn't think that we could do.
Brian Martinez:
We had people in the real estate.
Brian Martinez:
We had financial lenders.
Brian Martinez:
We had the housing task force.
Brian Martinez:
Everybody was sitting around at this table and we said that we were going to try to get this done because we all understood how important it was to get people into housing.
Brian Martinez:
And we worked through it in two days.
Brian Martinez:
And it was pretty rough.
Brian Martinez:
I didn't think that anybody thought that we were going to make it as we were going through this.
Brian Martinez:
And we got it through.
Brian Martinez:
And then we got it into the planning commission.
Brian Martinez:
And we've had some negotiations, right?
Brian Martinez:
We've had some compromises.
Brian Martinez:
And that's right where we're sitting at.
Brian Martinez:
Speaking to Mike's point, I did speak to Ben at the Housing Authority.
Brian Martinez:
And some of these revisions right here that I've made are some of his requests that he could help enforce this program.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
So we really have looked at all the partners, and I think we've done a really good job of trying to come up with something that the majority of people would go ahead and really appreciate.
Brian Martinez:
And I think that it might I don't think it's gonna move the needle.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
But I do think that it's gonna open up the the housing market for at least 14 people.
Brian Martinez:
And that's fantastic.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
Even 14 people is great.
Brian Martinez:
Cause when you look at 14 people out going out camping in their vans right now, I mean, love to see them moved inside of inside a real place.
Bill Winfield:
Jacques, I'll go to you next, but would you and Mary confirm that you received the email?
Jacques Hadler:
I did just get that email.
Jacques Hadler:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, Jacques.
Bill Winfield:
Mary, did you
Mary O'Brien, public comment:
Yes.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Mary McGann:
I'd like to call for a vote.
Bill Winfield:
Jacques had his hand up, Mary.
Jacques Hadler:
Yeah.
Jacques Hadler:
I was just I was just gonna say I'll be I'll be super quick.
Jacques Hadler:
I I I very much prefer the eighty twenty split, but I think Kaitlin said it really well in her email that we shouldn't let the perfect get in the way of the good.
Jacques Hadler:
And I think that a lot of these changes are are very helpful.
Jacques Hadler:
So even though I supported the substitute motion, I'll also support this motion and I'm looking forward to seeing what this does for housing in our community.
Jacques Hadler:
Thanks.
Bill Winfield:
Thanks, Jacques.
Bill Winfield:
And and I will call for a vote.
Bill Winfield:
I would like to just comment briefly.
Bill Winfield:
This is a compromise.
Bill Winfield:
This is a compromise that myself wanted the entirety of this opened up.
Bill Winfield:
It took a lot of discussion back and forth to get to where I'm willing to accept this compromise.
Bill Winfield:
I wanted even more.
Bill Winfield:
And I I think that's important.
Bill Winfield:
And and I wanna encourage Trish and Jacques has already weighed in and Mary.
Bill Winfield:
I encourage you to realize that this is a huge compromise that we've come to here and that that we're all trying to make this this work for residents, for people who need housing.
Bill Winfield:
This isn't about Bill's ego or anybody else's.
Bill Winfield:
This is about trying to open some houses up.
Bill Winfield:
And so I'll call for that vote.
Stephen Stocks:
Sure.
Stephen Stocks:
Just one just making sure we do it do it right.
Stephen Stocks:
So on number five, the line reads the property occupied by an actively employed household for an aggregate of nine months during all of the prior of no four Recommend to the staff and the county attorney under section two qualified household to make sure that we're clear the deed restriction for the twenty, thirty, 50 split of units in the development state within each deed restriction.
Stephen Stocks:
You'll want that to the
Brian Martinez:
to the lot.
Brian Martinez:
Yes.
Bill Winfield:
Agree.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Otherwise, that could be manipulated big time.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
I'll call for a vote.
Bill Winfield:
All those in favor of the motion, as you received it, Mary and Jacques and the rest of us have in front of us here.
Bill Winfield:
It's quite lengthy, so I don't want to repeat it.
Bill Winfield:
You unless you want me to?
Stephen Stocks:
It's good practice to r epeat it.
Stephen Stocks:
The public has no idea what…
Bill Winfield:
We'll do that.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
I'm gonna call for a vote to approve the amendments to Article 4.7 of the Grand County Land Use Code as presented in ordinance, HDHO land use code twenty twenty five and HDHO EXA as Recommended by the planning commission with the following corrections.
Bill Winfield:
Number one, make sure that we add a notice of interest Recorded at title alerting lawsuit of sale to ensure the buyer is a qualified household.
Bill Winfield:
Number two, amend section four under definitions to a person with a work history required under subsection a one through a three of this section for the two years prior.
Bill Winfield:
And this is the section I would like to add or has lived in the local area for the five years prior to retirement or the widow or widower of a person who satisfies the foregoing requirements.
Bill Winfield:
Number three, under section three, application process, HASU has to contact each renter on an annual basis to requalify the household.
Bill Winfield:
A qualified households renter must not be changed during the year without the approval thirty days prior to the change.
Bill Winfield:
Number four, Recommend to staff and the county attorney under section two qualified household to make sure that we're clear the deed restriction or the twenty, thirty, 50 split of the units in the development stay within each deed restriction which goes to the lot.
Bill Winfield:
Number five, the property occupied by an actively employed household for an aggregate of nine months during all of the prior calendar year with supporting evidence added to the deed restriction.
Bill Winfield:
Number six, with an effective date two weeks from now pending legal review.
Bill Winfield:
Number seven, and the ability to clean up the gaps in the sections.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
I'll call for a vote on the motion as just read.
Bill Winfield:
All in favor?
Bill Winfield:
Aye.
Bill Winfield:
Mary?
Mary McGann:
Opposed.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
The motion passes.
Bill Winfield:
With one opposed, Commissioner McGann.
Bill Winfield:
That allows us to move on to.
Mary McGann:
I do say.
Mary McGann:
Bill, I'm going to leave.
Mary McGann:
I will be leaving the meeting.
Bill Winfield:
Okay, Mary.
Bill Winfield:
We have two discussion items, just so you know.
Mary McGann:
I will listen to the…
Mary McGann:
I will watch.
Mary McGann:
Okay.
Mary McGann:
I'm gonna go be with my family.
Bill Winfield:
Yep.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, Mary.
Bill Winfield:
appreciate you hanging in there.
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
We will move on to number 11, which is a discussion on Grand County Landscaping Ordinance.
Bill Winfield:
Commissioner Martinez.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah, so give me one second.
Brian Martinez:
So, this is you know, this came from I was at the workshop with GWISSA over water conservation, And it was brought up that there was no possible that Grand County residents are not able to qualify for the for the buyback purchase.
Brian Martinez:
I think it's $3 per square foot for removing grass and it's 3 on their website.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah, it's 3 on their website.
Brian Martinez:
Think it could be 2, but I think it's up to $3 per square foot, at least what they had on their website when I last checked it.
Brian Martinez:
But yeah, anyways, and until we actually adopted these these these four restrictions for new developments.
Brian Martinez:
So what this is right here is I'd like to see this get added into our landscaping or land use code and so that we can go ahead and start offering this credit to the residents.
Brian Martinez:
A couple of things, you know, this year we're, you know, we're in a drought this year.
Brian Martinez:
There's not much water.
Brian Martinez:
And a big portion that's coming from our single source aquifer is going towards water and grass.
Brian Martinez:
And I know that the Planning Commission has been working on a larger overhaul of not just the land use code, but also of the landscaping ordinance.
Brian Martinez:
But I think that this right here is just a quick fix to get us through so that we can start getting.
Brian Martinez:
And there's lots of people.
Brian Martinez:
This is not one or two people that are sitting there waiting for this.
Brian Martinez:
I mean, when I was out campaigning, I talked to a ton of people that this was a big priority for them.
Brian Martinez:
One of the things is you have to have your grass green when you apply for this.
Brian Martinez:
So, they're out there needlessly watering their grass to make sure that it stays green so that when this ordinance does pass, they can get that three dollars or $2 per square foot and add it on there.
Brian Martinez:
So, that's what this is right here.
Brian Martinez:
I'd like to see that this becomes a priority that we can get through the Planning Commission and that we can go ahead and get this ordinance through so that Grand County residents can apply for this credit.
Bill Winfield:
Yes, Melodie.
Melodie McCandless:
So, I had been contacted by residents as well.
Melodie McCandless:
I had reached out to Candace that works for natural resources, and she sent me some information.
Melodie McCandless:
Katie Murphy had been working on it when she was in the planning and zoning.
Melodie McCandless:
So I got met with her and it was a, it's a big complex ordinance.
Melodie McCandless:
And so I realized that would take some time.
Melodie McCandless:
But, you know, Brian had this with Gwissa, he said, well, we can make this simple and just get it done.
Melodie McCandless:
I mean, specifically, I think I emailed you guys all the landscaping incentive program, ordinance adoption facts.
Melodie McCandless:
It's really simple.
Melodie McCandless:
It just says that there are no residential lawn limitations for the backyard.
Melodie McCandless:
The ordinance does not affect existing landscapes, only new construction.
Melodie McCandless:
And then this program is not for new construction, only for participating participants replacing this existing lawns, and it is $2 per square foot.
Melodie McCandless:
And and once we pass this ordinance, the only thing that we have to do we don't do anything.
Melodie McCandless:
Then we just let the state know, cannabis gets a copy of it, and then people can log into waterwiseutah.gov or conservewaterutah.gov, and they just go through the application, send the pictures of their lawn, and then they get reimbursed for that.
Melodie McCandless:
And it's a lot of money.
Melodie McCandless:
I mean, do dirt work.
Melodie McCandless:
Just need a bunch.
Melodie McCandless:
I wish I would've known.
Melodie McCandless:
Long City had one because I just took a bunch of lawn out of my yard, but I did not know until this.
Melodie McCandless:
I would like letting everybody know this is hopefully gonna happen for the county.
Bill Winfield:
Any other discussion?
Trish Hedin:
This is just prompting a movement by the Planning Commission.
Trish Hedin:
Is that correct?
Bill Winfield:
Right.
Bill Winfield:
But all commissioners are welcome to weigh in on it if they want.
Trish Hedin:
I was just making a statement.
Trish Hedin:
Thank you.
Trish Hedin:
You know what?
Trish Hedin:
I'm going to leave too.
Trish Hedin:
I think I'm done for the evening.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
Mike, please.
Mike McCurdy:
We add into it ..
Mike McCurdy:
If this was a little bit long…goes towards the landfill that they get no charge?
Mike McCurdy:
Can we help tie in on that so we can get disposal of this grass?
Brian Martinez:
What's that?
Bill Winfield:
Well, he's wanting to add in to try and get free dispOSTAl at the landfill.
Bill Winfield:
Of the grass, or disposal, if we if someone pulls their lawn applies for everything, can we give them a free go?
Bill Winfield:
Or can we look towards that?
Melodie McCandless:
Well, maybe they can just use their little free certificate.
Brian Martinez:
Reason that this has been held up right is exactly kind of that problem right there, Mike, is people like, let's throw this on t here.
Brian Martinez:
Okay.
Brian Martinez:
This and let's add this.
Brian Martinez:
Next thing you know, thing has been stalled.
Brian Martinez:
And here we are not able to basically, I'm not able, I mean, people are not incentivized to take their grass out.
Brian Martinez:
And it's been years.
Brian Martinez:
Think I can't remember, we're like one of one of, like, three counties in the entire state of Utah that hasn't adopted this ordinance.
Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
And I was just thinking when you're doing that's one of the essential services that's needing money.
Bill Winfield:
And I'm just I know you meant it in good faith, Mike, and I appreciate that.
Mike McCurdy:
Nothing that uses water.
Mike McCurdy:
I mean, Households.
Mike McCurdy:
Yeah.
Mike McCurdy:
All right.
Brian Martinez:
So no, let's look at let's figure out some way that we can add that in.
Brian Martinez:
Maybe not into this ordinance, but otherwise
Mike McCurdy:
Yeah.
Mike McCurdy:
make it happen.
Mike McCurdy:
A
Bill Winfield:
ll right.
Bill Winfield:
Do we want any further discussion on this item?
Cristin Hofhine:
Can I bring up one thing really quickly?
Cristin Hofhine:
Just as it's written, anytime someone pulls a building permit, they would have to abide by this.
Cristin Hofhine:
So you might wanna remove the residential construction, the and on the first line, because then it's just all new residential developments because or add all new residential either add a word because as a certain it would just any building permit hold.
Bill Winfield:
There's a huge i ssue in this city with that right now.
Bill Winfield:
When you pull a permit, you have even if you…
Melodie McCandless:
….Right with the planning and zoning.
Brian Martinez:
I mean, I
Melodie McCandless:
Understand the intent of what we're trying to do.
Melodie McCandless:
Think that, you know, I just wanted
Cristin Hofhine:
To make sure that that was okay.
Cristin Hofhine:
If I present something that you guys didn't…
Brian Martinez:
Thank you for that Chrissy.
Mike McCurdy:
Pending legal review.
Stephen Stocks:
And then one thing to look at also under water conservation number two says a lawn area shall not be measured less than eight feet wide at its narrowest point.
Stephen Stocks:
So Bart's marked this potentially ambiguous.
Stephen Stocks:
And he says, how will this be measured?
Stephen Stocks:
When looking at the lawn, what is the width/length?
Stephen Stocks:
He said, I'm not sure what the author intends, so I don't have a proposed fix for that.
Brian Martinez:
Okay.
Brian Martinez:
These were the requirements, I think, from
Stephen Stocks:
I'm I'm just throwing it out there as as something that when we send it to the planning commission to just be mindful.
Bill Winfield:
If it does need some change, Chrissy, would think we want to check with the state to make sure that the change doesn't move us out of the ability to get them.
Cristin Hofhine:
I understand that.
Bill Winfield:
Yeah.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Any other discussion?
Bill Winfield:
Alright.
Bill Winfield:
We will move on to number 12, discussion on the multifamily residential 45 zoning, MFR dash four five.
Bill Winfield:
Again, Mister Martinez.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah.
Brian Martinez:
So, you know, one of the things that I've seen is that we've the the restrictions that are right now on our MFR zone are are such that nobody's building on the MFR.
Brian Martinez:
In fact, the only place they are building multifamily residential is on our commercial highway commercial.
Brian Martinez:
So we're seeing now our highway commercial disappear and it's being replaced by apartments and places where we thought we were going to be putting our multifamily is not going in.
Brian Martinez:
This right here, so this is just part of what I really think we need to do, which is rewrite the entire MFR zoning district.
Brian Martinez:
But I think that this section right here is more important, What this really goes to is to the LIHTC programs.
Brian Martinez:
And so speaking towards, like Bill was talking about earlier, affordable housing, it's not affordable housing that we're really looking for.
Brian Martinez:
What we're looking for is subsidized housing.
Brian Martinez:
And the LIHTC program, I think, a very it's a great model for housing.
Brian Martinez:
They're using it up in Salt Lake City and seeing how that they're using it.
Brian Martinez:
The units that are out there are they're beautiful, right?
Brian Martinez:
And the people are invested and it's great to see how these programs are kind of progressing.
Brian Martinez:
Right now, we don't have the zoning really to incentivize people to come here.
Brian Martinez:
And it is, it's highly competitive, Right?
Brian Martinez:
Every community inside of Utah wants to apply for these Utah Housing Corporation grants.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
These LIHTC programs.
Brian Martinez:
So what I'm trying to make sure is that we have the zoning available that draws these people here so that we can get some of these subsidized homes built.
Brian Martinez:
And like I said, when I first went up there and I've seen some of them, I'm like, oh, wait.
Brian Martinez:
This is not affordable housing.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
They're really nice units that are being built.
Brian Martinez:
And I'd like to see this start to get worked over in the Planning Commission as well and take this on.
Brian Martinez:
And I know that the Planning Commission is going to be going and rewriting the land use code.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
I know that that's a big priority.
Brian Martinez:
But this right here, I think that once again, once we start using the word crisis, right, and we keep throwing that word around, I think that means that we need to start taking some serious steps to get out of the way of ourselves.
Brian Martinez:
We need to make sure that the zoning is there so that when we do actually someone gets one of these programs is available to come in here and build it, that we're set up and ready to accept it.
Bill Winfield:
Anybody else?
Mike McCurdy:
I mean, without without some of these higher density multifamily residential zonings, no one's coming in here to build a few homes at a loss.
Mike McCurdy:
Without this, we're going to miss out on some of these big LIHTC .
Brian Martinez:
They actually are building them at a loss.
Brian Martinez:
They're building them at a loss for fifteen years.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah.
Brian Martinez:
So they take a loss for fifteen years on these LIHTC programs, earning a tax credit and then after fifteen years they actually can realize a profit.
Mike McCurdy:
And these programs are the ones that are looking towards our area, but there's not just random builders out there looking to take a loss.
Mike McCurdy:
I mean, it is a fifteen year investment.
Mike McCurdy:
It's not a direct loss.
Mike McCurdy:
It's a timed investment on these LIHTC.
Brian Martinez:
This of the MFR 45, right, is to to offer that high density for affordable housing.
Brian Martinez:
Right.
Brian Martinez:
And it was so this this right here, it's not that this is not the first time that we've looked at this commission.
Brian Martinez:
It was looked at— It was originally brought up in 2023 and then it was dropped.
Brian Martinez:
So what I did is I went and took what happened in 2023 and started looking at some of the discussions that had happened with Planning Commission, right?
Brian Martinez:
And then also looked at a couple of other counties and how they have MFR45 built.
Brian Martinez:
And then I went ahead and then that's how we came up with what we're looking at right here.
Brian Martinez:
So it's going to get really I know that I passed it off to Stephen.
Brian Martinez:
It's gone through legal review.
Stephen Stocks:
Yes, it has.
Stephen Stocks:
There some tweaks and changes, but it's going to work its way through the process.
Brian Martinez:
That's where we're sitting at.
Brian Martinez:
And once again, just like to see this part of the planning commission and start discussing it and see how we can can make some of these programs work.
Bill Winfield:
I see you've got your hand up, please.
Jacques Hadler:
Thank you.
Jacques Hadler:
Right.
Jacques Hadler:
Yeah, and I'd confirm what Brian said.
Jacques Hadler:
We did we did look at this in 2023 and it was in regards to one project that we that I think is is coming back on the Knowlton and the the project over at the Assembly of God Church and if I remember right it got dropped because they pulled out of that and the Planning Commission was busy with other things but I'm sorry I did miss a little bit of this with the technical difficulties or were you is this discussion to propose fast tracking this in the Planning Commission?
Jacques Hadler:
My understanding correct?
Bill Winfield:
Yeah, the discussion is to move this forward with commission.
Jacques Hadler:
And I would also ask, Chrissy is there what kind of timeframe might we be looking at and what's the capacity for doing for doing such?
Cristin Hofhine:
Well, I have a number of public hearings already scheduled out from projects that have been continually been put on hold to push some other things through.
Cristin Hofhine:
I'll try to get those through.
Cristin Hofhine:
This is going to be, I'm assuming, a pretty intense discussion from my planning commission.
Cristin Hofhine:
I would also, the way it's written, it's repealing and sort of replacing what's already there, including the maps and it's going to, it says that it's just this section, but it affects about seven sections.
Cristin Hofhine:
So I'm going to have to go through because right now it doesn't line up.
Cristin Hofhine:
It talks about what's referenced in article five, but then article five says something very different from what this is.
Cristin Hofhine:
So it will require quite a bit of rework.
Cristin Hofhine:
I do think that there needs to be a map associated with this.
Cristin Hofhine:
I do think the first one had a map.
Cristin Hofhine:
This is written, this is anywhere in the counties.
Cristin Hofhine:
And maybe a buffer, I don't know.
Cristin Hofhine:
Mean, to me it seems like we need to, it's a lot happening for what we're proposing neighbors to be okay with.
Cristin Hofhine:
And I mean it can happen.
Cristin Hofhine:
I'm thinking according to my calendar that I could probably get it on second August meeting.
Cristin Hofhine:
But it would require rework before that if you guys are okay with that.
Cristin Hofhine:
Okay.
Melodie McCandless:
Is there, I mean, they did it in the past, there should be a record is there is the map with it or…
Cristin Hofhine:
What was previous previous one and it seemed like it kept getting stalled out in legal review.
Cristin Hofhine:
But there was a map associated with that one.
Cristin Hofhine:
One of the problems that we kept having was there was no…
Cristin Hofhine:
Like 60% AMI according to what?
Cristin Hofhine:
According to HUD, according to HASU…
Cristin Hofhine:
There's things like that that ironed out that we couldn't get answers on.
Cristin Hofhine:
So it kept getting pushed back and forth.
Jacques Hadler:
Bill, do you mind if I weigh in again?
Bill Winfield:
No, please.
Jacques Hadler:
If I remember right, and I could totally be wrong.
Jacques Hadler:
I thought when we did it when we looked at it before, I thought it wasn't like a repeal and replace.
Jacques Hadler:
I thought it was like a kind of a stand alone carve out for that project.
Cristin Hofhine:
For the ..yes: for the Assembly of God what it was.
Cristin Hofhine:
The way this one's written, though, it's not.
Jacques Hadler:
Okay.
Jacques Hadler:
Okay.
Jacques Hadler:
I understand.
Jacques Hadler:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Anybody else?
Bill Winfield:
Yes.
Melodie McCandless:
So this one would b e just something that could be added in places, not just specifically for one.
Cristin Hofhine:
Yeah.
Cristin Hofhine:
So technically you could keep your MFR, the MFR that's in the land use code, could keep it as is and then add this, you know, at two point six point nine for an additional MFR zone.
Cristin Hofhine:
And they would have to get approved with the ten, twenty and eight with the master plan.
Cristin Hofhine:
We can make them all cohesive.
Cristin Hofhine:
I mean, that's what we wanna do, it's just gonna be, you know, late nights for me, which is fine.
Jacques Hadler:
So the map would be an overlay in essence?
Cristin Hofhine:
Well, so the way it is now, the MFR can only be applied for in certain parts of the county as this is written, you could apply for it anywhere.
Cristin Hofhine:
And it is a zone change, so technically that's okay because the commission can look at it and say no or yes or where it's appropriate.
Cristin Hofhine:
But it also leaves, these things take a lot of time and money from to come up to the master plan is expensive.
Cristin Hofhine:
So if we're telling a developer that they can put it anywhere, but then we have a bunch of neighbors come out and they've already spent $20.
Cristin Hofhine:
That's not very, you know, it's just, it's not acting in good faith, particularly when you're the person on the ground sitting across from them telling them like, yeah, going to push this forward.
Cristin Hofhine:
It's going to be great.
Cristin Hofhine:
And then 70 people come out and say, no, we hate it.
Cristin Hofhine:
And then, you know, you're sitting there going like, I'm sorry, I tried my best.
Brian Martinez:
Like I said, this is n ot for one project.
Cristin Hofhine:
It is just a l ot of money.
Mike McCurdy:
That's what I was gonna say.
Brian Martinez:
This is not for one project, like I prefaced it with, we actually need to look over the entire MFR zoning.
Brian Martinez:
I think that this is the first part to start looking at that right there.
Brian Martinez:
And then we can start looking into that MFR.
Brian Martinez:
You know, I mean, and I don't know if that's like MFR 25 that we kind of look at to make sure that we also have something that incentivizes condos, right.
Brian Martinez:
That incentivizes more density.
Cristin Hofhine:
Right.
Cristin Hofhine:
And I mean, that's what I'm saying when you look at it as a whole, you and you have some places that it's going to be more likely to be approved than everywhere.
Cristin Hofhine:
I just think that those kinds of things need to be thought about as you're writing it instead of just hoping for the best when you get in front of the commission.
Bill Winfield:
Jacques, did you want to weigh in again?
Jacques Hadler:
Oh, sorry.
Jacques Hadler:
No, I think think I'm good.
Jacques Hadler:
Yeah, that's that's okay.
Jacques Hadler:
Does.
Jacques Hadler:
It does sound complicated and in that it…Yeah.
Jacques Hadler:
No, I'm good.
Jacques Hadler:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
All right.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you, Mike.
Mike McCurdy:
I'm sorry.
Mike McCurdy:
No, it does sound complicated and I wouldn't…
Mike McCurdy:
I do see both sides of this, but I would not want to relegate this to one development.
Mike McCurdy:
I would want or I mean, I want the county to be able to look at doing this and others to develop.
Mike McCurdy:
I wouldn't want to just say you can do it, but you can't.
Brian Martinez:
And if you look…
Mike McCurdy:
Or you can try, but you can't try.
Brian Martinez:
Yeah.
Brian Martinez:
And if you look under section B right there, it's actually states projects that have received a reservation or allocation of tax credit from the Utah Housing Corporation will be eligible for an expedited review process on rezoning and development of the event.
Brian Martinez:
Right?
Brian Martinez:
So, is for multiple events.
Brian Martinez:
This is trying to bring LIHTC programs to Grand County.
Brian Martinez:
Not just one unit.
Mike McCurdy:
Yeah, wouldn't want to ever point it at one.
Bill Winfield:
All right, yes, Are we …
Bill Winfield:
So with that, I will adjourn this meeting.
Mike McCurdy:
Sorry.
Cristin Hofhine:
Am I rewriting this or are w e working t ogether to rewrite this?
Cristin Hofhine:
Okay.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Bill Winfield:
Meeting adjourned.
Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
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Meeting Agenda
Budget Workshop
Led by Clerk/Auditor Gabriel Woytek and Finance Director Steven Vowles
Board of Equalization Special Meeting
Municipal Building Authority Meeting
Citizens to Be Heard
Presentation from Grand County Fire Warden Bruce Jenkins and Matt McEttrick, Forestry, Fire & State Lands
General Reports
Public Hearing for Grand County Mid-Year Budget Amendment
General Business – Action Items
- Approval of Consent Agenda
a. Meeting Minutes: June 17, 2025
b. Ratification of Bills
c. Notice of Award: Airport Taxilane Expansion E, G, and J
d. Independent Contractor Agreement: July 4 Fireworks (Vortex Fireworks)
e. Quote Acceptance: NRCS Grant – All American Wash Water Crossing
f. Recreation Restoration Infrastructure Grant Contract
g. ICA with Elite Events for County Fair Shade Structures
h. Letter of Support – 2025 Co-Op Grant (Moab Office of Tourism) - Resolution: Lease Revenue Bond (up to $1.8M) through Municipal Building Authority
Presented by Marcus Keller, Crews and Associates - Grant Application: DNR OHVR Grant for Grand County Search and Rescue
Presented by Scott Solle - Letter of Support: Local Medical Cannabis Pharmacy Applicant (Boojum Med)
Presented by Chair Winfield - Insurance Coverage for Volunteer Work at Archery Range
Presented by Commissioner Hedin - Ordinance Amendment: Land Use Code – High Density Housing Overlay
Presented by Cristin Hofhine
Discussion Items
7. Landscaping Ordinance
Presented by Commissioner Martinez
8. Multi-Family Residential 45 Zoning (MFR-45)
Presented by Commissioner Martinez
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