Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay, I will open this Grand County Commission meeting June 17, 2025 at 3.30 PM
present our Commissioner Heden, Commissioner Hadler, Commissioner McCurdy,
Commissioner McGann, Commissioner McCandless and myself, Commissioner Winfield,
and we expect to be joined by Commissioner Martinez at some point on Zoom.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And we're going to start off at the workshop here and Todd Thompson, who is the
Associate Regional Director for USU. He was going to lead us through some
exciting things that he's been doing in a position that we voted last year to
create, for the small business development center.
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Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Got some amazing sound effects going on there.
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Chair Bill Winfield:
So we'll wait till we get through the sound effects of the computer.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We get it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Yep, thanks.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I thought I muted it over here.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I guess it didn't.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Well, I appreciate it.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Yeah, I know.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It was a Twilight Zone.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Something like that.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Well, I appreciate you having me come.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I met with Commissioner Winfield, I think it was a couple of weeks ago, maybe
three weeks ago, kind of talking to him about what we were doing at SBDC.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The great thing about SBDC is we have about 16 offices throughout the state.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
This is not part of my PowerPoint, but I'll just kind of give you a little bit
of a background.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the things that we are trying to do, one of the things that the state
BDC directors trying to do is trying to have all of the SBDC housed at USU
throughout the state of Utah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It'll just make it easier for us working together and making sure that we serve
all the clients that we possibly can in the state.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
My position, I think you voted on it last year, but if you weren't here, my
position is in San Juan County, and I also help out Grand County.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The way my funding is, though, I do about a 90-10 and 80-20.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I spend most of my time with individuals or people that want to open up
companies or need help with management, leadership, accounting, finances, those
type of things in Grand County.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So it's not necessarily someone who's opening up a business, it's somebody that
needs help with their business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if they need help with market research, we help with market research.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
If they want to take their company national or international, we help do a lot
of that.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so, and I'll go into a couple of examples.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I can't necessarily tell you who the companies are right now because I'm in the
process of getting them funding.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I told Commissioner Woodfield that, and I said, you got to wait on a couple of
the companies that I'm going through.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But there are a couple that have received funding from the revolving loan fund
that I can mention him and his company.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He's down on Main Street by Desert Rivers Credit Union, so I can actually talk
about him and what he's doing.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He's excited.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so we were able to put together a business plan for him and get him
funding.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I'm going to share my screen so you all can see it.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And I'll go through and tell you some of the things that we do for our clients
here in Grand County and throughout the state.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So everybody, did I share that or?
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Not yet.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Click on it again.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
There we go.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
There we go.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Let me go up here.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So this is some of the things that these are some of the services that we offer
for people here in Grand County.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I'll go through really quickly on business plans, startup assistance,
management and leadership, marketing and sales, customer relations, business
accounting and budgeting, protecting your business, business valuation, employee
management, market research, class cash flow management, government contracting,
buying and selling a business, e-commerce and international trade.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Now, I would like to say that I know every single one of these wonderfully and
beautifully and I know how to do everything.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the things that we can do with SBDC is, for example, if there's market
research, we have somebody that does market research in Salt Lake City.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if we have somebody that wants to do really intense market research, we have
somebody in our community that will work with me that will come down and meet
with that client and look at what they need market research specifically on.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So we go back and forth helping each other out and making sure that our clients
get any help.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Like, for example, I don't know if you all know, but I speak fluent Spanish.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so our clients here and I've met with clients that they only speak Spanish.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so through the Multicultural Center, they're sent up to me and I'm able to
speak with them and help them create their business plans.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the things is, is there's a lot of people that don't know how to write a
business plan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They have a great business idea.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So I have to sit there and help them write a business plan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
For a quick example on the business plan, I had I'm working with one client
right now and they don't speak English at all.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I asked her to do a business plan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I gave her a template on how to do a business plan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And she wrote me a seven sentence email.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I had to create her business plan with her and for her to help her
because she's trying to get funding.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so not only did I have to write her business plan, but I also had to write
her financials and do her financials because they have to have three years of
cash flow projections.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They have to have monthly income statements.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They have to have sales projections.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So there's certain things that a client has to have to be able to get any type
of funding.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Whether that's through a bank, whether that's through the SBA, those loans too
are through a bank or even through a micro loan fund through the state of Utah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They need to have a proper business plan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so what I'm finding is there's a lot of people that come to me that don't
know how to write a business plan at all.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I spend hours upon hours upon hours helping people write business plans.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I've got some clients I've spent 20 to 25 hours on because they don't know how
to really do any of that kind of structure.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I had a client last week that got a $3,000 grant.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's called the Wildcat Fund Grant, which we'll go through.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But I helped her get that grant, but it took us a really long time.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I mean, she had a hard time getting things up on Zoom, I mean, to give her
presentation.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So it's a lot of holding hands and making sure how they can get that money.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So there's a lot of processes that will go into it, and I'll get in there real
quick.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the things that we offer is not necessarily just here locally, but we
offer workshops that people can go to.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Hopefully, this will click on it and open it up.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Okay, there it is.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if people have questions, like, for example, if they have tax planning
questions, if they need a marketing clinic, how to start a business 101,
Facebook, Instagram ads, create and manage ads like a pro.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So they're able to go in here and register for free.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It doesn't cost any money at all.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Anything we do does not cost the money.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's all free for them.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So, you know, in-person legal workshop, English and Spanish, or English and
Espanol, and then intellectual property clinic, virtual meeting.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So every time I meet with clients, I give them all of this information, making
sure that they know they have any questions.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
If they want more information, then they can go on here and look to see and
register.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if any of you had a question on how to open up a business outside of coming
and speaking with me, there are other options that we have for people to get
free help and free assistance whenever they want to at their own time.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if they can't meet with me during the day, they can go on here and attend a
workshop at night.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so we give them all that information.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And we readily have workshops available for people all the time.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
We also have what we call an entrepreneurship, an entrepreneur academy for
people that want to open up a business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And I can actually go on mine to show you what that looks like.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's different than the workshops, but people can, so people can go on and they
have, we offer classes to them, like how to form a business by financing your
business, marketing your business, managing your employees, e-commerce for your
business, protecting your business, cybersecurity, managing your customers.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
There are some things that are going to come soon, like international trade,
managing your cash flow, and then business startups and business growth.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So we try to give them as much information as we possibly can, whether that's
with me or whether that's online.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And people could go on and study themselves and learn what they need to do to
be successful in their business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Now, over the past six months, I have assisted 30 different clients with
different business needs.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
This is business plan creation in both Spanish and English, financial analysis,
marketing strategy, grant writing, and presentations.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The revolving loan fund, which is a lending program of money that is given to
the county and the county is able to help out with economic development.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
We do bank loans.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I've not helped with some of the larger loans.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I am working with a company right now that wants to build here, either here or
San Juan, that would have about 15 employees.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so those are some of the loans that I'm working on.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The networking part, smart business decisions, management training.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so over the past, and I put 200 hours, but when I went back in and looked
at my system, I'm really looking at about 300 hours and then more doing research
on their businesses.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the things I find is when they come in with an idea, they don't
necessarily know how to build that business correctly.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They have a great idea.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I have one client that has come in, and she's got a fantastic idea, but she
doesn't know how to really create her product the best way that she could
possibly create that.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So I'm able to help her, and I've been able to help her, and we're getting very
close for her to be able to really start a very successful business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But it's taken us a couple of months, a month and a half, from the time she
wanted to make her product until I had her go to someone else, like what we call
a co-packer, to be able to create her product.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so there's a lot of time that I spend doing research, making sure that
people are going down the right road and making the right decisions.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
If people are going to spend a lot of their money, a lot of their time, I want
to make sure that, one, they're making the right decisions for themselves.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
You know, if they want to buy a business, but that business has lost $200,000
over the last two years, meeting with them and kind of talking them through
that, seeing how that looks, to see whether or not that that's a good idea for
them.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Maybe working with partners that they don't like, but they're just trying to
open up a business and work with anybody, that doesn't always work.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so it's kind of like a marriage doesn't always work.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So those are kind of, that's a little humor.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So those are some of the things that I've done with people in our office up
there at USU.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And this is just a really quick sample business plan template.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And this is why, not necessarily the writing part of it, but the financial
projections take a long time.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They take many hours.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And that's the most important part.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Generally, the financials and the business plans about three to four pages.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And that's the one part where most people, if they're trying to get any type of
funding, they don't know how to do.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so me being able to work with them on how to do that and how to put that
together so that they can go to Desert Rivers Credit Union and get a loan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I work with Lonnie Campbell at Desert Rivers Credit Union quite a bit.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I'm able to sit there and put this business plan together, put the
finances together and send people down to him so they can be approved for a
loan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so it's not always the easiest process, and it's very difficult.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's very frustrating for people.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But there's a lot of hoops that they have to jump through to open up a business
because I don't want them to lose money.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so that's one of the things that we're working on, I thought it may have
been for me.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But those are the things that I'm working on.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I would tell you, I don't know 100% of everything, but we have a really good
community with SBDC and we help each other out.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if there's not a question, I don't know.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Most of you have met Roger.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He used to be here.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He did a lot of the SBDC work here prior to me coming.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But we help each other with clients that we have.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I think that that's all on my part.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I didn't know how long I had.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I didn't want to really overwhelm and kill you.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I would like to tell you every customer that I deal with, some of the customers
are in the process of getting loans.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Coyote Crossing is one of the customers that we have.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They got approved.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I'm not going to go into the financial part of that of what they got approved
for, but he was approved for a long.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
If you go north on Maine, go past Desert Rivers Credit Union, I think it's 850
North Maine, you'll be able to see him doing a massive amount of work on that
building.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He's excited to open up his business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
John Early may know who he is.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I think he's been in the community for 50 years.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He's the old visitor center.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He takes people on tours on camping and climbing, but he's really excited about
that business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So that's one of the businesses that we've really done well with him.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
When he first came to me, his business plan was 37 pages long.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And just let you know, business plans should be about anywhere between 9 to 12
pages long.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So we really had to help him streamline what he needed to do before we got to
the revolving loan fund and get him the money that he needed to be able to open
up his business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And he's about ready to open it up.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I'm excited for him.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the things we look at too is we look at the number of employees that
we're bringing into the community.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I'm working with another company right now that this time next year they'll
have about 10 employees.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But we're right in the middle of getting them funding as well.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They've already partially opened up their business model and business plans
incredible.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But once we get that funding done, I would like to come back, even have them
come talk to you because they'll have probably seven, eight, nine employees that
they're going to hire because of their business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So I think the economic development of what we're trying to do is make sure
that not only are we getting these people money and funding, but we're making
sure that they're going to be hiring people from our community.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And the struggle we have there is, well, there's a lot of hotels, there's a lot
of restaurants, there's a lot of other places that are hiring too.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But we're just hoping to bring jobs to the community as well.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And that's really part of what we do at SBC.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So I'll stop talking.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And if anyone has questions, please ask.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Well, we're excited that the program's back up.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's been to me a long time since it's really been rolling.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So it's exciting.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So we're glad that you're there.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Are we seeing any businesses that are diversifying our economy at all?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Anything outside of?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Yeah, outside of tourism.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The one I just talked about is outside.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Well, I can say it's outside of tourism because that has nothing to do with
tourism, but it kind of does.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Because we do have Airbnb's, we do have homes here, but, you know, it would be
like any, you know, of the economy.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It does touch it a little bit, but it doesn't have really anything to do with.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So you're seeing seven diversities.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so, and I actually can tell you who they are.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
That's Knox Lane.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They are a company that is providing, they'll provide appliances like small
scratch dent appliances, floor model appliances.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So they've already opened up their business, but we're just trying to get them
to where they can run more efficiently, run more effectively.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But that business right there has nothing to do really with tourism.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It has everything to do with people buying appliances, kind of like you would
on the Wasatch Front or anywhere else in Utah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So that's one business that I can say because they've already opened up.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I'm helping them get more funding so they can get more product into their
store.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I talked with a small business owner today as well.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I don't want to mention his name yet, but I will refer him to you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I've also referred him to serving following loan fund already, because he's the
top in six to eight employees and has something totally outside of tourism here
as well.
Chair Bill Winfield:
But I'll pass him over to you.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
That's great.
Chair Bill Winfield:
If we can't move that one.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
That's, I mean, one of the things we're trying to do is look at whatever
company that's coming that does not necessarily have to deal with tourism in and
of itself.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Trying to, like you said, with the revolving loan fund trying to get people to
be able to benefit.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the reasons why they use the revolving loan fund, they don't necessarily
qualify for a bank loan or, you know, if they're running everything through an
LLC, they've run everything through LLCs from what I've seen.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's hard for them because it's not showing that they're making a massive
amount of income.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if they've already, if they already own one or two businesses and
everything's run through their business, they write everything off.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So it's not necessarily showing that they're making all kinds of money.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So it's harder for them to get that regular low through a bank.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Right.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So that's some of the things that we're working with and helping them.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
Chair Bill Winfield:
The other thing I would mention too, you mentioned bringing in employees.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And I think that we need to be encouraging some of these people to consider
bringing in employees rather than robbing from a fool.
Chair Bill Winfield:
It's already pretty stressed out here locally.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And by encouraging them to do that, also they need to be thinking housing and
how they help make that possible in their businesses.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Because if, if we robbed from one business to get another business started, it
isn't going to be the best scenario for us.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And just encouraging them to think long-term along those lines, I think it'd be
good.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And then I had a question you mentioned that you're doing a bunch in San Juan.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Is that mainly in the valley or do you deal with the entire county?
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I deal with the entire county, but I would tell you it's not much because I
have to meet with them by Zoom.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I'm not going to drive to them.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The reason why the way I'm funded, the way I paid, we focus on Grand County.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And, but if somebody, if somebody wants help, you know, I'll help them.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But it's for every, every, for every 10 San, for every 10 Grand County
businesses, I help.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I help one in San Juan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But, you know, I do work with some bankers out of Monticello, another one out
of planning.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if they do have customers that need some help, you know, we're, we're
willing to, to help them because one of the things too is if they're in the
valley on, if they're creating something for the valley and we have people that
live in our community, that will drive to their business and work there, we're
still affecting people's lives and helping people.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so, but it's, it's, I probably say the majority of my time is spent with
clients from Grand County.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Anybody else?
Chair Bill Winfield:
Questions?
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
No.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'd echo Trish to say, it's nice to have a functioning as SBDC again.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
That's great.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I would say if, you know, if you know anybody, you know, we've heard what we
work with companies also that may need help with managing leadership or
anything.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
You know, one of the, some of the things we do with people can get grants.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The wildcat fund is a grant that people can get.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They have to do a business plan and they have to do a pitch to three people
from Weber state.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's not very difficult.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's $3,000.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And they just get to $3,000.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's, it's not, you know, they have, they do not have to provide receipts or
anything like that.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They're just given that money.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Or if a company has 25 employees and they need their employees to be trained.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
There's something called cut there's, there's a grant called custom fit and
custom fit will pay for 50% of the training.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so if you know anybody that their company needs training, they think that
their employees need training, they can get training.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Now custom fit won't send them to Hawaii to get training, but if they needed to
go to Orem or Lehigh or somewhere else like that, they would do that.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They just have to put in a requisition and have that happen.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So there's, there's those types of grants that they will, that we're really
trying to help benefit existing companies as well.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Well, we appreciate the time that you've invested here.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And clearly it seems like you're helping a lot of people.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And that I think was the ultimate goal when we made the decision to fund this.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So I look forward to seeing some diversification and some small businesses come
out of this.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Again, thanks for your time and for the update.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And so was that being the flows of our workshop?
Chair Bill Winfield:
I would say we take a brief recess and we will come back at four o'clock.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I will call this regularly scheduled commission meeting to order.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Those friends are the same.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We were here earlier with the workshop in footing that we have here.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And we will all stand for the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag.
All:
of the United States.
All: :
And to the republic for which it stands
All:
One nation under God indivisible. With liberty and Justice for all.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And so thanks everybody for being here.
Chair Bill Winfield:
It's good to see y'all.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We love the full house.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Believe it or not.
Chair Bill Winfield:
there is a citizens to be heard that will start now at four o'clock and if
Chair Bill Winfield:
you're here for the public hearing that will be later regarding high density
Chair Bill Winfield:
housing overlay so that'll happen a little bit later in our meeting if
Chair Bill Winfield:
that's what you're here to speak on you'll want to wait for that citizens to
Chair Bill Winfield:
be heard I'm glad to start us off here if we've got people in a certain boat
the citizen the public hearing has to be after 6 p.m.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
It's not money for the public hearing for the land use yeah it has to be after 6 p.m. so that's after 6 o'clock for the public hearing and we're just
glad
Chair Bill Winfield:
that you're here so anybody citizens to be heard if one starts off agreeing you
Chair Bill Winfield:
were first please oh there are we all there in a second there thank you I came here to kind of give you a small update on the Red Rock Valley event that we
Red Rok Rally speaker:
had this weekend just like we can't care I know some of the event people you
know
Red Rok Rally speaker:
they just come in and ask for a permit and they just so I'm here I've got a
Red Rok Rally speaker:
I could be here I was a great success we didn't have any instance that I'm
aware
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of just give you an idea on the event itself it was held up Spanish child
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Spanish belly trailer we had local participation there we had some food
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vendors over there and spoke with the food vendors they sold out all three
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nights ran out of food we had some local vendors that were there they did very
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well our vendors that did show up or sponsors a lot of them sold out on their
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products and so we had a lot of local dissipation come in and we actually have
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locals that signed up for the rally so that was pretty awesome I went around
and
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talked to some of the businesses in Moab when we were advertising our advance
we
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would get we would ask him that they'd give us a discount code for like motels
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and restaurants and things like that and some of the motels and hotels here in
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town they said as soon as we started advertising which would have been
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advertising for quite a while but a lot of the motels hotels built up within 48
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hours so and a lot of restaurants were happy so that was awesome and just
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want to thank you for the support that we got from you we got a lot of
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support from the BLM from the Bureau of Land Management and the OHP programs in
the
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state of Utah had a lot of support there and we just had a great time I will
tell
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you it was very hot and it was record high temperatures I think one day was a
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hundred and six if I remember but everything went good we had one medical
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with a little bit of heat exhaustion that individual was brought out treated
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at the hospital released but each one of our guides and our guides on our
trails
Red Rok Rally speaker:
we had anywhere from four to six guys one of them had seven guides on one
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trail every one of our guides carried a case of water and every day and they
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would run out of water giving folks even what water they had so just so you
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know all right so Stevie's telling me I have 30 seconds I like that but and if
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you have any questions or anything please ask me real quick also mark is
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online if you've got any questions for him thank you thanks can't stop thank
you and we normally and citizen be heard don't interject by the board thank you
Chair Bill Winfield:
next all right please gentlemen and we'll go to the lady that was beside you
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
okay hi this is kind of cool I know almost every one of yug ain't it for
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
you I've been to the gym with you actually dating one of yours moms and but
Chair Bill Winfield:
Please introduce yourself
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
I'm Mike Tony Lee I'm here partially representing the pickleball people which
is almost that whole side of the room I
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
wrote it down thank you for the chance to speak today I'm here on behalf of
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
these guys local residents who play pickleball regularly and have been
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
waiting patiently for six years dedicated for the dedicated courts the county a
lot
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
of money for these courts and we have been very hopeful and now we're hearing
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
that the funds might be pulled right now we're playing in two places the
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
Center Street gym which just has two courts and we often get bumped there
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
if there's any other thing going on we get bumped out of there the other is
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
the high school tenants courts which are temporary we have to chalk the lines
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
every time it rains we reach out no problem but it's becoming more and more
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
difficult to play there with we can't be on school grounds now if there's any
any
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
school kids around okay here's the personal part pickleball isn't just a
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
sport it's a community as a retired business person who's lived here for 49
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
years I've had my business here for 40 years I lost my tribe I lost my family
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
when I retired I didn't see that coming like all the other subs the
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
contractors I I just kind of lost my family when I retired I started playing
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
pickleball this is my new family it's way more than just playing and we have
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
people I have written down that we have people in their 20s but driving
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
over here I realized no we have teenagers also and there's nothing cooler to
see
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
the kids coming home from college and playing side-by-side with their parents
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
and we also have a guy that's 88 years old at place and so this is not just an
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
old person sport we keep each other active connected and this is a very good
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
mental thing for all of us we're asking we're not asking for a luxury we're
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
asking for fairness other towns much smaller than ours have permanent courts
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
tourists play with us every week and can't believe that we don't have any
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
courts it's time we invest in something meaningful for our locals I've talked
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
to I've heard talk of that well maybe we'll do it cutting corners please don't
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
do that do it the right way the first time being a contractor I know firsthand
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
if you cut corners if you do the job wrong the first time it will always be
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
wrong like just do it right the first time find a way to do it let's stop
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
making excuses and make this happen we're not asking for everything just for
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
something we've more than earned more than that we've earned the last thing I
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
didn't write it down was one of the council persons told me that maybe I
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
should go to the city and ask them for help I'm a great painter I'm not great
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
at this and I would like to cut out the middle man which is me I would like
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
to see you guys go to the city and I would like to throw the school district
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
in there too thank you guys for your time it's would be a benefit like we would
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
also be able to hold tournaments and everything else thank you I just am here
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
also to represent the my pickle of community my name's and good speed could
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
we have everyone here from the community stand up please we have over 80
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
people in our contact with us who have participated or interested who come
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
through town and want to know when and where we're playing Michael commented on
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
most of things that I wanted to touch on but I also wanted to share with you
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
that there is an epidemic of loneliness here in the world and pickleball is
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
changing that for people when people come and have community and move and
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
connect we have parties together outside of when we're playing it is a
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
fantastic way it's in our it's a family for most of us it is a beautiful way to
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
bring health and movement and it is great for brain health the coordination
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
racket sports are said to be the most powerful ways to keep our bodies healthy
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
and our brains healthy so we really want to be in a big huge advocate for
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
whatever we can do to cheer on this and built for us having some dedicated
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
spaces welcoming spaces offer tournaments bring more tourists in we have lots
of
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
community people from out of town coming in looking for us and it's hard to
find
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
us and luckily when they do find us they're quite like they're like whoa
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
this place needs it's kind of embarrassing actually but we don't have a
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
dedicated space so we would love to just do whatever we can to be in support
and
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
just and we realize there's a lot of things a lot of money that needs to be
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
considered but this is I think for the health and wellness of Moab to help us
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
be stronger this would be a great way to advocate for friends thank you thank
Chair Bill Winfield:
you please remember to introduce yourself my name is Bruce Dessel I've
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
lived there for a long time and not to be terse or think about it but I'm
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
surprised you guys would kind of blow a bunch of money on another out-of-town
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
consultants in my opinion it's widely held that the timed entry in arches now
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
correct me if I'm wrong that's where you're considering putting the money
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
against I don't have that right in my opinion it's it's widely held that the
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
timed entry is worth now I understand it might go against people's libertarian
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
ideals of public lands use but we all know arches is parking space limited so
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
you can let all the people in the world you want into arches but if they
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
just have to drive around and can't even park they're not gonna have a good
time
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
and I'm gonna feel good about Moab so you know I won't go on about pickleball
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
but I think Moab is about recreation and this is just another facet forget the
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
funny name and lump us in there with you know volleyball baseball basketball
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
and all the other cool stuff we do here in Moab thanks thank you
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
I'm Deb Plays and I am a pickleball player I understand that you're debating
the budget items
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
today and the budget meeting scheduled for next week we have been discussing
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
pickleball courts for several years always it seems to be pushed to the back
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
of the to-do list I would encourage you to view these courts as something
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
different than what has been discussed in the past some of our neighboring
towns
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
have been hosting pickleball tournaments these tournaments are well
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
attended by out-of-town guests there is no reason that Moab could not better
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
compete with these tournaments than our neighboring towns our climate is
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
conducive to spring and fall tournaments the clientele would have little or no
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
impact on other events national parks trails or other high tourist impact areas
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
they simply would use the grounds at the arena and contribute to our local
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
hospitality economy please keep the courts on your budget view them as not a
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
cost but a potential revenue generator thank you for your consideration
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
yes sir yes sir
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
when you just say if it's doing okay father and he'll know the king creek
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
project has now become the preliminary business municipality of echo canyon
which
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
has changed playing field entirely I spent many hours reviewing sp258
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
preliminary municipality code I'm not sure what can be done to mitigate the
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
detrimental impact of this project now that it's essentially out of the
county's
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
hands but I still want to share with you all it's entirely possible and maybe
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
ahead under sp258 the technical Canyon is now a municipality but not yet a town
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
there's no outside entity that will monitor the building process no tracking
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
placement of the field in the floodplain no design reviews no inspections
nothing
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
this responsibility is left to the developers themselves it can also build
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
to whatever master plan they choose even if it's dramatically different than
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
one of which can you once approved no tenet governor's group the lieutenant
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
governor's responded to my questions on these subjects with well I cannot find
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
any explicit mention of any oversight or monitoring that's related to echo
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
Canyon either by the state or Grand County info as well as look part five of
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
the incorporation code does not mention any other public body that will ensure
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
canyon adheres to their original development plan I'm asking you Dave
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
also provides if you lose their responsibility on the part of the
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
submitted the application both of which are corporations one of these
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
corporations has already been dissolved the other may be dissolved in their
future
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
probably known when this happened there were no longer to be convinced the
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
landowners to be held responsible also echo Canyon will almost certainly never
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
transition to a town this process can only begin with another president's
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
reaches 100 that is clear the majority of these homes will be second homes
whose
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
owners have a permanent resident elsewhere can't be considered resident
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
back okay after six years it was in a government will dissolve it and return
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
what's left to the county in summary the county will probably have very low
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
say and what I think and what the echo Canyon developed bill and how they
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
build it and for the lieutenant governor's office no other can you do
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
no either we trust these developers to do the right thing we trust that they
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
will be responsible to the people of our family and to the county itself thank
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
you thank you um to me should be about this that's our time s entry I'm Mary O'Brien from Castle Valley the attribution of local business
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
impact at all to arches timed entry is absurd in the April to October chart I
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
handed you the data are from the database all visitation numbers are
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
normalized to the year 2019 which is pre covid that is the number of visitors
is
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
different for each National Park but the years before the after represent the
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
difference in their visitation compared to 2019 by percent as you can see all
of
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
these five southwestern parks have similar visitation trajectories before
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
and after 2019 they all drop during covid closures in 2020 they all
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
experience a rebound in visitation in 2021 when people hit the roads to get
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
outdoors with the exception of Zion National Park by 2024 they are all
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
experiencing fewer visitors than pre coat the pre covid year only one of
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
these parks arches has timed entry and it begins in 2022 and continues through
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
today Grand Canyon National Park has experienced a greater decline in
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
visitation than arches since 2019 though it does not have timed entry moreover
a
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
2022 usu study showed that a majority of arches visitors prefer timed entry and
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
arches workers prefer timed entry on what basis and arches national parks
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
post covid visitation trend and therefore any amount of county economic
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
trend be attributed to timed entry when similar post covid trends are observed
in
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
similar parks that have no timed entry I guess economists can be hired to look
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
into anything but for this commission to spend $63,000 of taxpayer money when
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
you're already over budget for this implausible timed entry hypothesis seems
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
particularly senseless and unaccountable to Grand County taxpayers thank you hi there my name is Colleen Beaver and I am a pickleball player and I
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
just want to wrap this thing up everything that has been said is well
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
done and in conjunction with trying to say what we do and what pickled off
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
pickleball does for the community but I have a little few stats here well first
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
of all in 2010 is when we brought pickleball here with the Moab senior
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
games and it was introduced to Moab and from then it's just grown and grown and
grown
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
we in 2023 we incorporated not incorporated but we have friends of
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
Moab pickleball which is a non-profit we have members we have dues so there's
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
that and in 2023 36.5 million people played pickleball at least once which is
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
14% of the adult population a lot of people are in to pickleball in 2024
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
I can't read my writing oh there was a 45% increase in pickleball play from
2023
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
to 2024 and the average age in pickleball is decreasing with 25 to 34 age
groups
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
having the most players now it's not just an old person thing so anyway we
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
have you know it's just like we're an afterthought we were given property where
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
we're told we were gonna have property at the high school at one time we got
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
all excited and started raising money and then they took that away and then we
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
were told we were going to have court courts property out at Old City Park and
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
that was declined after we got our hopes up again and so anyway we were going
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
with the flow we would just love courts and that would bring more people into Moab so thank you thank you please don't hello everyone my name is Keith Hill
from
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
Moab and all of a sudden I feel a urge to try pickleball I don't have any notes
I
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
don't have any stats I'll try to be brief I'm here because I understand that
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
there was a motion made to strip the Moab chamber of its voting rights with
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
Moab Tourism Advisory Board professionally I serve as the director of
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
operations for a company that owns and operates about 10 tax-producing
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
businesses here in town and although I know some of the other voters on that
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
board I don't have the relationship that I do with the chamber that's been
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
fostered through monthly luncheons series of workshops and other community
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
events so from my perspective it seems a little concerning and counterintuitive
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
to take votership rights away from an organization that has such a broad
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
reach and perspective of the businesses that generate that revenue so I'd like
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
that to be reconsidered thank you thank you I'm Ronnie Schultz and as of January 2025 I'm a current board of director for the Moab area chamber
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
commerce Moab tourism advisory board bylaws need amended to comply with the
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
changes required for HB 456 it takes effect July 2025 the city Moab has been
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
on this board not as a voting position but chamber has been on this board for
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
20 plus years as a voting position I fully support the city of Moab should
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
have a boat motion was made to replace the city of Moab with a Moab chamber of
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
Congress I watched the two recorded meetings the end of the first recording
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
was going to explain who and why but internet and power was interrupted and
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
the recording stopped within minutes of the second recording a motion was made
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
and immediately seconded then a very short discussion with an alternative
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
motion increasing the board to an eight-member board was not seconded motion
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
to remove the chamber as a voting member passed on a five to two vote what
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
concerns me is why wasn't this deliberated further I feel that advisory
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
board was not educated on the changes to HB 456 that take place effective July
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
before the interruption of internet or power I believe legal counsel was about
to
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
weigh in on these requirements but this conversation was never picked back up
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
tonight maybe legal counsel could explain how the board is supposed to be
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
diversified to meet these requirements I would encourage the Commission to
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
review 17-31-8 within HB 456 and determine what it says specifically
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
section 3i and ii currently seven are voting members three are non-voting
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
members five of the seven are employers or an employee of the company they
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
represent the Moab area Chamber of Commerce and Canyonlands Natural History
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
Association are neither under 3ii it states at least two of the board's
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
membership shall be employees of recreation facilities convention
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
facilities museums cultural attractions or and I believe or is a key word here
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
other tourism related industries located within the county these two board
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
members who do not represent individual companies meet the requirements of the
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
law good the board have explored the following four options to accommodate
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
the city being in voting position number one replace chambers vote which is
what
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
happened number two replace Canyonlands Natural History Association's vote
number
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
three replace one of the five employees or employers vote or number four
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increase the board nine members to represent our communities businesses and
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
reinstate the chamber as a voting member I asked the Commission to support
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
the Moab area Chamber of Commerce as we are the voice for our community and
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
should have a vote on how funds generated by our members via TRT taxes
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
are spent I thank the chair and commissioners thank you go ahead the card you're on your way up hello my name is corn Phillips and I serve as
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
the Moab Chamber of Commerce executive director and has been in the
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
position since March of this year I attended the recent Moab tourism advisory
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
board meeting during which the bylaws regarding board members were to be
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
evaluated following the introduction of HB 456 effective July 2025 given the
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
businesses in the city limits generate more than 50% of the TRT funds HB 456
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
states that the county shall be shall include a board member to represent the
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
city's interest I'm not in disagreement here I believe the city should have a
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
vote on how the TRT funds are distributed up until this point the city of Moab
has
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
served on the Moab tourism advisory board as a liaison but not voting
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
member during the recent meeting the voting position of the Chamber of
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
Commerce was removed in a 5-2 vote to keep the seven-person board giving the
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
voting position of the chamber to the city other options are available to keep
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the vote of our collective business community on this board HB 456 does not
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limit the number of board members to seven the tourism parks advisory board
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may add additional members to them there was not a need to eliminate a voting
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position to get the city about on the board the decision deserves more
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deliberation chamber members generate funds that the Travel Council is
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spending the for-profit businesses that generate these funds should have a
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vote on how these spots are spent removing the chamber boat is removing
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the representation of our business community and leaving it in the hands of
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a very small group of business owners I ask that you work with county attorney
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Stephen stocks to weigh all available options to include keeping the chambers
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voting position giving the city a voting position and adherence to HB 456
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and adding another board member as permitted by HB 456 to represent a
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collaboration facility within the county thus expanding the board to nine members thank you have anybody else Teresa please
winning Teresa Kings I'm here to talk about the bylaws for the mohawk area
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chamber for the Travel Council I sat in that position as a chamber board
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member on the Travel Council and I've also been a Travel Council board member
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many many years ago this position on the Travel Council board has been there
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for I'm gonna say close to 40 years it was well coveted and fought for and
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thought about for many years to have the chamber have a voice in the Travel
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Council's business the way that this came about was rather interesting the
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Travel Council board did not have written bylaws to review at their meeting
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that wasn't included in the packet or else I would have gone to the travel
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board and had my opinion spoken then otherwise I'm here I think it's
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important if the optics of this are are not very good I think that there's
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personalities at play here and I hate to say that but I believe that that is
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true and I really think that it is important that the business community has
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a place of course they can have a place without a vote but as you all know when
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you do votes how important your vote is and I believe that the Chamber of
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Commerce plays a very important role in giving their voice and opinions and
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discussions about these subjects and I hope that you will consider another way
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to do this the two these things did not have to be combined it was a very
simple
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thing to include the city and their boat having nothing to do with the chamber
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that did not have to come up at the same time and it just came up that way
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and I think it's unfortunate you can have seven people eight people nine
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people can have them all voting even number odd number some people go to
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meetings some people don't the number of people I think is pretty irrelevant I
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think the again I will say it again the optics on this to not have the business
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community have a vote is unfortunate and I hope that you will reconsider that position we have anyone else in the chamber see Quinn there is there anybody
online more I don't see I like having the pickle ballers we usually don't get
applause
okay all right one last call anybody in the chamber outside the doors that want
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to speak citizens the earth come on in all right thank you we will move on then
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the next item I'm missing my pickle ballers presentation and up so you don't
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want to stick around for some great hours from the last night's contact I'm
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breathing you can try it all up in okay Dana we would make any headway on the
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phone at the game
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you'll be doing nice guy living in I got you we were supposed to have an update
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on our external body I see oh no I just looks like we are minus anyone from
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Larson so we will move on I know that they did present to the audit committee
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but it do not have a representative from Larson's with us so we can now go into
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our department reports next up will be active trails and transportation
Madeline
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and then I just want to thank you for being patient waiting until the timing
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was optimal for this so thanks Jim for some day thank you I'm gonna need about 30 seconds to set up here okay so just get set up here it's like a nothing
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
no I'm not saying that let me go for it without notes so bear with me maybe
find them if you would prefer to have them we could go to something else
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Maddie while you find that it's up totally up to you or we can wait for I think this should be okay okay let's go um my name is Maddie
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
Lagois I'm the director of the Grand County active transportation and trails
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department known as G cat and this is my 2025 annual report this is an overview
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of everything I'm hoping to squeeze into this presentation some things to
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know are that I haven't presented an annual report since last spring so I did
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include a recap of 2024 as well as more recent things in 2025 and then also
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because there's some new commissioners I did include like a little bit of
context
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just about the programs kind of how they've developed over the years and
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also some of these slides have a lot of notes on them and for the sake of
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time I'm not gonna read everything on them but the information is there so if
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you have questions you can follow up with it so to start with our mission is
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to partner with local municipalities and land managers to develop and maintain
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non-motorized trail and active transportation systems we also assist
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with visitor management and education and so within the DCAD department there's
two
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programs we have our trails program which includes a variety of projects and
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then the field staff for that is the trail crew and then we have the
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variety of different projects and the what's on the ground for that are the
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trail ambassadors so this department it's really based on partnerships so this
is
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just a list of some of the land managers and different stakeholders that we've
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worked with to develop these programs this is a kind of a lay of the land one
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question I get asked frequently is why Grand County has a non-motorized trail
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crew and not a motorized trail crew and so again there's a lot of
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very different histories to kind of how those different recreation groups have
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developed and for the non-motorized side Grand County has really been the one
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spearheading a lot of non-motorized trail development and the county's
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involvement in that arena this is the 25th year of that essentially and all
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of the trails that Grand County has built is responsible for maintaining so
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that's kind of how we've ended up with the trail crew and then for the
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motorized side it's been a little bit more complicated because there's a lot
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more players who are involved in the actual implementation of trail maintenance
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side one thing to know is that whether it's Grand County or the BLM or
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nonprofit everyone's basically applying to the same state grants to fund that
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maintenance and so it's kind of looking at holistically everyone's point that
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same fund there's also a timeline that explains the development because there
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is always some confusion about what is trail mix and what is GCAT so this
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provides a little bit of context I won't go into it in depth but basically some
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key dates to note are that in the year 2000 the Grand County trail mix
committee
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was established in 2010 that's when Grand County partnered with an umbrella
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nonprofit to have a trail crew to start building trails and then 2019 is when
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there was a restructuring and so that's when those field staff became the GCAT
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department.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
This is an overview of the entire department budget which is over four million
dollars.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
That purple is all for the Spanish Valley Drive pathway into UDOT grant and so
that's the majority of the department budget.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
I've pulled it out here for clarity so when you pull out one big project fund
what you're left with is the green is different types of tax revenue and then
the blue is all different types of grants and that orange is a interest.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
We've also received a number of awards over the years so this year we received
a national award from the American Trails Association.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
They award just a handful of awards every two years and so Grand County was
recognized nationally it's very cool and then also related this year the
Division of After Recreation in Utah awarded specifically the Trail Ambassador
Program as a recognition.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So I'm going to talk about Trails Program, Responsible Red Program and that's
other projects we have this year.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So looking back at 2024, our main projects last year were working on Pike Dream
which was damaged by a flash flood and then also going through an intensive
maintenance project all along the MAG 7 trail system.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
This is a graph that just shows everywhere we worked the blue is all staff
hours and the orange is all volunteer hours which we'll talk about more later.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
We use an app to have staff be able to mark maintenance areas on trails so all
these black pins are areas maintenance issues that we resolved in 2024 so just
gives you kind of a scope of where we're functioning.
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Here's some
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photos of our trail crew and volunteers a lot of these are from the Pike Dream
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volunteers that we had and then moving into 2025 this year the trail crew has
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been focusing on the horse thief trail system doing that intensive maintenance
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so really going doing a thorough run through and rebuilding rock ramps and
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we've also been educating ourselves a lot about adaptive equipment and adaptive
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cycling and so one of the focuses this year we can see that's Tyson on that
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hands label, is going through especially horse thief and looking at areas that
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need to be widened because this equipment has a 36 inch wheelbase compared
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to a traditional upright bicycle which has you know a narrow a narrower base so
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this is an example of a project that's a bit more heavy-handed than maybe some
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of our maintenance but there was reasons that this was the approach that was
taken
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and that's because it was a choke point for that equipment it was steeply off
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camber and you can't see it in the photo that there's a cliff right there so
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it's all you know site specific but that was the reason that trail widening was
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the most appropriate for this spot.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
In addition to horse thief we're constantly just bouncing around trying to keep
up with system wind upkeep so these are just examples other projects the crews
worked on this spring includes trail delineation with paint that's one of our
breakaway bridges breaks out of flash flood we put it back in place and then
signage.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
We have some upcoming maintenance projects the crew currently has two weeks off
and then we start in the mountains in July and August.
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This season is fully funded by the Forest Service.
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We'll also be keeping our eye on picturing in case there's more flash flooding
and we'll try and be flexible and deal with that if it arises and then this map
just shows our upcoming to-do list these are all of our points that we have that
we have not resolved yet but are ordered by priority.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
There's three upcoming construction projects I'm gonna move through these
really quickly even though I love to talk about them just for the sake of time
but you can ask me follow-up questions.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
Some things to note are that we are very lucky in Greene County we have an
in-house trail designer which is extremely costly to contract out so we get the
luxury of having someone spend all of their time in our area planning and
designing these trails.
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The BLM also donates the NEPA which is tens of thousands of dollars not
hundreds of thousands of dollars to do and then finally all these projects are
grant funded.
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So the first one that I'll just mention briefly is the Falcon Climb Trail.
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This is in Sandflats Recreation Area.
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It'll link to the Falcon Flow Trail and create about a nine-mile loop.
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The Brands area otherwise known as Bar M is our most popular mountain bike area
it's kind of the closest to that northern end of town and we've identified ten
different sections that improve the connectivity and flow and they also kind of
add to the true beginner, true advanced trails.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
We'll be phasing these in over the next two years but we do have a grant for
it.
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And then finally this is our kind of our biggest and most complicated project
is the Mud Springs Trail System which is actually located in San Juan County so
it's a partnership with Greene County, San Juan County and the BLM and then it's
funded by the state.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
And this area we're going to be breaking ground on in August which is very
exciting and it will be about 11 miles of trail for phase one that we're gonna
do our darkness to get done this season but we have only a three-month build
window that's very firm so we have to cut off construction on November 14th.
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And this area will be open to non-motorized activities including mountain
biking and then also open to class with e-bikes and there's a NICA on to the
next program.
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I might grab some water because I'm trying to talk really fast.
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For the Responsible Recreation Program I wanted to put in a little bit of
context into this.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
Basically looking at the last decade of visitation or trail use in this area
there's been kind of a steady incline and then during COVID you know things drop
down we've got a crazy spike.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
And so with this kind of gradual increase in visitation that does come with
some challenges on the trails.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So the first challenge I want to talk about is just we have one of the most
active search and rescue teams in Utah and a lot of the incidents that they're
responding to are not avoidable but there are a portion of them that are related
to heat or dehydration that that aren't preventable.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
And then also for every person who really reaches that critical threshold and
they're calling 911 for help there's other people out there who are not calling
911 but they're maybe having like a bad time on the trail right like they're
dehydrated they make it back to the car but their experience of BOAP is maybe
not what we want it to be.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
The next thing is thinking about damage to our resources so natural and
cultural resources.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So some challenges we can see when there's more people using spaces are trail
damage so that can include trail widening, trail braiding, off-trail travel
which can then also leave risk access when we have illegal off-trail travel
occurring.
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There's issues with trash and waste on the trails which can include human waste
as well and then also vandalism to cultural sites.
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And so the photos I have on here I have two photos of the those archaeological
sites with damage and then the Pack Creek Fire in the background.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
The Pack Creek Fire was caused by an unattended campfire so also related to
camping and recreation.
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And those two events they were really you know they're in the new cycle they
were highly publicized and those were both in 2021 which is the year that the
Trail Ambassador Program is met.
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And so you know part of the goals of the program are to help manage these
issues.
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And then finally the last category of I'd say challenges is that when you have
more people using these recreation areas especially if they're doing different
activities or have different desires in that area it's more likely to lead to
user conflict.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So these are just a photo of Delicate Arch that shows you know what Delicate
Arch looks like these days with a number of people sharing that space and then
news articles that are related to user conflict or negative press related to
overcrowding on trails.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So as I mentioned in 2021 Grand County established the Trail Ambassador Program
and it has three goals that are all related to those issues that I talked about.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So the first one is related to visitor safety and experience and so making sure
that people have the information, the maps, and the water that they need to go
safely explore the trails and have a positive experience.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
That also ties into activities that the Trail Ambassadors provide especially to
families to enhance experiences when folks are out there.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
The second is that resource protection aspect so just educating people about
how to you know protect what they've come to enjoy so staying on trail you know
resisting the urge to scratch on the rocks things like that.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
And then the third one which is the most nuanced is relating to that visitor or
that user conflict issue and so just talking to people about things that aren't
necessarily regulations but more of just like etiquette or considerations.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So in our area some examples of like hot topics that people might talk to
visitors about are dogs you know they can expect to see dogs off trail or sorry
off-leash on the trail drone use and noise.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
This is again this is a break out of just the budget so which is as long
discussion lately so the blue is the film wrecked TRT both the TRT and then the
fund balance from that same item.
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And then we have two
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different grants involved in the program and then this is a timeline that shows
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development and so there's been sort of tweaking every year and then one thing
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to note is that we did actually have a very small pilot program in 2018 and
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19 that was a result from when we were out on the trail with the trail crew
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doing maintenance we realized that a lot of the maintenance we were doing was
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user created damage that seemed avoidable.
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These are the areas that the
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trail or the trail masters operates and this is one of those slides where I'm
not
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going to read every single thing but some key points to take away are that in
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2023 Utah State University did an assessment of the program and one other
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takeaway is that it does enhance visitor experience and then for 2024 I
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have a graph here that I can break down in more detail if you have questions
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but basically we've tried to increase our impact in our reach every year so
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that graph has been trending up and we have contacted people from I think it
says
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48 states on here that's now 49 states so North Dakota is the only one missing
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and then they've talked to people from all over the world as well.
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Looking back
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in 2024 2025 some highlights are the award that I mentioned previously we've
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tweaked the OHV ambassador scope of work to include a bit more trail
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maintenance because that was a desire that was expressed by the MTC the
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Motorized Trail Committee and then we've also responded to some requests from
the
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Commission proactively reaching out to organizations that are coming here
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providing the literature planning information and one trend we've been
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seeing this year is that folks who have talked to trail ambassadors previously
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are incorporating that into their trip so they're they're coming out to see
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ambassadors and get our new sticker for the year so we're updating our sticker
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every year to think of a bit of a collectible item.
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Here are some photos of the trail ambassadors the non-motorized and the
motorized program and also this is a an all-trails review that includes the
ambassadors so we're starting to see reviews of the ambassadors pop up online.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
These are some photos from the Motorized
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Trail Committee Workday so this is led by MTC but you can see Helton was out
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there helping them and one thing I'll note is that our full-time and part-time
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FOHV ambassador positions are funded by a grant and that grant cycle is open
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right now the deadline is July 31st and so either July 1st or 15th I'll be
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coming to the Commission looking to review that funding with the new
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application for 2026 and 2027.
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One subset of the trail ambassador program I want to talk about is our Healthy
Trails Initiative.
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For better or for worse we've
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become a bit famous for having people in poop costumes dancing on the
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internet and so I think a reasonable person would ask why and the reason for
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that is that you know even though it seems kind of frivolous on its face human
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waste in recreation areas is a serious concern because of public health there's
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a lot of pathogens in human waste and if those areas if certain areas have an
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issue with it they can be closed to use and then also it has a negative
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impact on both residents and visitors who are visiting these spaces so they're
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coming for an experience in nature and if they encounter human waste that
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degrades everyone's experience.
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So the way we've found that's best to approach
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the public about this issue is humor and people are receptive they like a poop
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suit so we have the dancing poop costume on the face but then behind that
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there are certain metrics that we look at to see if we're succeeding in that
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goal of raising public awareness about this issue so some of the metrics we can
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look at are the number of wag bags sold by local businesses the more
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people know about wag bags the more they're buying the number of poop of the
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plan posters that we have in businesses I believe they currently have 63 local
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businesses with posters in their businesses the number of conversations
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we're having with folks on the trail and then we can also actually look at
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the weight of human waste collected by the solid waste special service district
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so in 2023 it was about eight and a half tons of human waste last year I just
got
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the numbers from them they said it was about 17 tons of human waste collected
so
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that as for that amount is double the year before and I looked it up it's the
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equivalent weight to a school bus full of children and then we can also look at
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discovermoab.com has a little has a poop page and we can look at how many
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people have viewed that and that can be an indicator too of how much the word
is
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getting out and then finally one trend we're seeing that is really positive is
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that events are starting to become more aware of this issue so Jeep Safari
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actually requested their own wag bag receptacle this year some other
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projects so in 2024 we finished the desert is different video series with
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crux this aligns with the forever mighty campaign by by the Utah
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tourism and it's currently being used kind of a small-scale it needs a
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promotion plan so I think and then 2025 working on the back of beyond podcast
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which came to Commission a few weeks ago and that's nearing completion so these
are
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projects that we're working on collaboratively with the Bob office of
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tourism finally social media outreach is another portion of the response work
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program so we make posts about trail conditions trail tips and a kid waste all
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of those things so some key numbers to look at our post views are over half a
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million for 2024 and then the number of individual accounts reached is close to
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half a million so that's individual people who have seen our go up stuff
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going out okay switching tasks so that was our two main programs another big
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thing we're working on this year is the non motorized trail master plan
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update our existing plan was last updated in 2011 it's supposed to be
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updated every five years so different update we got a grant for $90,000 from
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you dot and we got $30,000 from the city of Moab to do this plan and the
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previous plan was primarily recreation trails and so what's different this
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time around since we're expanding that scope to include an active
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transportation system component and that includes the city of Moab this is
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a snapshot of the current plan that we have so there's a ton of information in
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here one thing that we're excited to do now that technologies evolved a lot
since
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2011 is to have a more interactive map and just sort of modernize it these are
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some examples of different plans that we're using for inspiration there's a
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timeline so we are squarely in stakeholder interviews and then we are
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finalizing our online survey that will go out to the public so this will be
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pushed out broadly a last section community events and outreach so to start
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with we have a variety of different ways we interact with business businesses
and
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have business partnerships so like I mentioned we have signage so we have
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that hoop of the plan but we also have other types of signage we provide to
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businesses when they request it from us and so we have I believe it's over 350
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different signs and posters out at 63 businesses some of those are large they
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might hotel they might have them in every room this plan for your Moab
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adventure is one that we hand out as well in addition to the poop one this
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is professionally designed it's all vetted by partners which is a bit of a
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process we also do communication trainings we had seven last year or
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scheduling those to the fall and those have a really good response rating
people
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have recommended them to their peers and then we also assist with the guide
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summit so for folks who haven't participated in this this is a
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voluntary training for guides it's well attended this last year there was 15
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different agencies federal and state agencies involved in it and over 115
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participants and so we help organize that and participate in it these are
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survey results so it is appreciated by the business community and then finally
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our volunteer program so Grand County is responsible for maintaining over 170
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miles of trail we have six field staff so the way we make that work is that we
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rely heavily on volunteers to help us with that mission and we have a few
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different types of volunteer programs we have our monthly trail works days
trail
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work Wednesdays we have an adopter trail program we have a volunteer trail
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ambassador program and then we also have relationships with schools and
churches
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so they contact us ahead of time and we'll get their group scheduled on the
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calendar and then we also have events so the spring spruce event is our
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biggest event that we have in LA this is our third time doing it we had 11
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organizations and different projects and I believe it was 75 of it was donated
of
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the expense of the event was donated by local businesses and then 25% was
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funded by the city this is a list of all the different projects so for this
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event we it's the focus is basically just work on public lands and so we
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have hiking equestrian not biking motorized climbing all types of projects
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and then we also had them on BLM land Utah open lands Utah Raptor State Park
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hosted several projects in the city as well my last slide I wanted to end on
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this one so because volunteers are such a major part of how we kind of keep
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these trails up and running we have an end-of-year volunteer event it's an
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appreciation event 33 different businesses last year donated over
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seven thousand dollars to the event to make it happen which we very much
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appreciate and this is just a time to have all our great volunteers and
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partners come appreciate them and I want to extend an invitation to all of
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you for this year to join us. Okay any questions?
Chair Bill Winfield:
That was a lot and you moved along quite quickly, we appreciate that. Thank you
very much.
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I can add one thing to the volunteers portion of it, which is that volunteers
help with the
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on-the-ground work and another piece of that is that in the eyes of the the
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grants their hour is also worth about $33 per per hour and so when volunteers
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come out and help us they help us with the work on the ground but also we're
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able to show that that's our community investment and use that as part of our
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match for grants so we can get money from the state to fund our staff who
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manage the volunteers who help fund that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
One quick question, why is the deadline November 14th for the Mud Springs trail
system, for building?
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so so that whole project it's gone phase one has gone through the NEPA process
and
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during that process they identify that there is several different wildlife
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considerations so in the spring there's migratory bird nesting habitat and then
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in the winter there's elk and mule deer migration and so those dates are
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based on when those migrations will happen and then it just so happens that
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they kind of all link up to each other so we have basically August 1st through
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November 14th each year that's our only build window.
Chair Bill Winfield:
It would seem a little odd that you have to stop construction but we allow
mountain
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bikers out there after we've got the trails built.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
it will actually be closed in the winter as well. There's two reasons for that
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there's wildlife also blood springs is true to it's very muddy out there so
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it's actually yeah it's a good thing for it to be closed because folks riding
out
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there are gonna end up with a lot of clay on their bikes so when what's the date in the spring where they where mountain bikers...
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
I'll have to check. There's a few a few different winter issues out there.
Chair Bill Winfield:
thank you move on we will start with some commission member disclosures if
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anybody has anything Mike my wife works for the sheriff department all right
the My standard- my son works for Sand Flats.
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we will move into our Commission reports and Trish I will let you start us okay
I will try to go very fast on the night we had a planning Commission meeting
we're
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gonna be talking about that we specifically talked about HD HO so I
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won't go into that I did talk to Steven after that meeting because I felt like
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there was some kind of open issues and I hope you're gonna speak about that
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and on the 10th I had a conservation district meeting a couple quick things
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NRCS and Monticello they were concerned about their lease that that was being
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rescinded by the Trump administration that has been they're still gonna stay
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in that building so that's great they have lost 35 people statewide and they
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lost their IRA funding and jointed wheat goat grass is becoming an issue
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specifically in the county right away I did actually end up emailing Izzy and
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Bill Jackson about that so just kind of let them know and they have begun
spraying
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grasshoppers specifically on South people said Fisher Valley they're quite
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bad the water shed coordinator Arnie's position that position has closed and
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there's some really good applicants so we're looking forward to getting
somebody
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into position and then hauling water for livestock has begun due to extensive
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drought conditions on the ground on the 10th I had a cemetery board meeting
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there are five burials in May this was kind of an interesting thing they
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exhumed the body of Robbie Curie who was found in Arches National Park in 1983
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as a missing persons and so that person had eventually been identified and they
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had moved his body back to his family grave in Provo so that's kind of an
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interesting aside on the 12 CCP in price that's always a huge meeting there's
so
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much I tried to kind of distill it down you got as you guys know the trail gap
is
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in design on the Colorado River they completed the high visited those
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visibility painting and reduced speed limit signs here in the valley
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Colorado River Authority Mark Stilson talked about they are now we're
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getting very close to their negotiations they're hoping that that will
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be done by June and they're looking at actual the natural flow regime on the
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Colorado River instead of just some arbitrary number so that's great the
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division of outdoor rec was there and he did say that ORI funds are
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underutilized and he mentioned that they do have a trail crew down here
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and they've been working in Grand Staff Canyon the National Park Service was
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there and they did mentioned that timed entry they're having less issues with
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turnarounds about in April about 3% less issues with turnarounds people that
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did not have reservations they also mentioned from July 7th August 27th they
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have that pause on time entry the needles district got a solar system which
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is awesome to replace that's always been run by diesel power generators so
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pretty amazing and let's see the BLM stated that there was gas and oil wells
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being drilled near Cisco and there's an up-taking uranium exploration in both
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yellow cat and black cat the state state fire and state lands or sorry
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forest fire and state lands they're doing mitigation up around the Willow
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Basin area and the fire season has begun which you guys can probably tell
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there's been some fires down around landing and Utah wrapped there you know
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we know that it's open and they're hoping to get some new bike mountain
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bike systems in place and a trail up to the dinosaur quarry and then I did have
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a youth meeting just yesterday with you daft Department of Ag again talking
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about conservation easements and we hope to get a workshop put together soon
and
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then lastly I just kind of want to make a statement I'd like to extend my
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deepest condolences to the friends and family of Minnesota State Representative
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Melissa hortman and her husband that were assassinated in their home on
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Saturday hortman and her husband leave behind two children I want to praise the
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outpouring of empathy extended by both Republicans and Democrats alike that
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being said I also want to highlight the disgrace that I felt by our own senator
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Mike Lee who made it a mockery of the style act our representatives should
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exude grace and empathy I am saddened by his behaviors gone busy couple of weeks right after the last meeting I attended an audit
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committee meeting along with Bill and Brian we talked about the external audit
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request for proposal and we also talked about that need for our opponent units
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those are the smaller kind of SSDs that the better sprinkled around the county
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that need to come forward with all of their particular audits so that the
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county can complete its audit and submit it on time the submittal date for
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Clark County is on June 30th so we talked about ways to get some of those
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component units in line and enable them to get their submissions in on time we
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also scheduled another meeting in light of that especially in light of the
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external out of RFP for June 13th so I'll skip down to that one too so we had
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another one last Friday we met with other external auditor John
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Hatterly from Larson was at that meeting again we talked about ways to get
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component units to submit on time that's kind of the holdup right now because
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it's it is crucial that we get our idea in a timely manner another thing that
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that John Hatterly brought up was that he said the state auditor reached out
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to him and that they asked Larson as our external auditor to look into our TRT
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compliance or aspects of it and they just tasked him with that the day before
so he
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was processing that and he said that was kind of a unique ask and he came
across
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as being uncomfortable without it it sounded like he thought that that went
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beyond the external auditor scope of work in that it makes them interpret law
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whereas their daughters as he put it just dealing black and white so that's
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that's something that came out of that meeting and let's see I'll go back then
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on the and I invite Bill and Brian can flush that out a little bit too I'm sure
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they have other takeaways from those two meetings June 9th had another
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meeting with the audit committee just kind of informal when Steven already
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talked about better ways to get through our just just looking back at it in
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light the new law and like the new audit findings that the TRT and how we
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could make that a little bit easier for the county and everybody how I can
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expedite the process and hopefully come into compliance and work through things
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I think that meeting went pretty well and that meeting I think is agenda item
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16 which is establishing metric for some of that past iteration of the law
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TRT money let's see I'm June 10th had a trail mix meeting that was a great
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meeting also Bill and Steven were in attendance at that we had a discussion of
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OMA as it pertains to those those committees trail mix is a bit of a
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unique committee and that they have regular citizens who have attendance
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requirements and then it can be voted on to be members of that committee so we
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talked about some of the challenges of that how we might just make it a little
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bit more just come you know as Steve would say best practices and and make
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sure that everything is presented to the public in an optimal way we talked
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about potentially using an owl if there's meetings and definitely getting
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recordings of the meeting to a good reporting of that one and posting it to
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the state site etc we also talked about some of the mud spring stuff that
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Maddie just filled us up on or photos on and again it's due to start August
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first hopefully we'll get the entire phase one complete and then we should
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have a mega course which I'm extremely excited about if we could have it a race
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here in the Valley next year that would be great for everybody business and
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the bike teams here and and all the high school programs as well also had
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an update on the non-motorized trail master plan as Maddie alluded to
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there's gonna be stakeholder meetings coming up here really quickly the first
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one is in two days it's on Thursday the 19th at 2 p.m. at the mark so if you
want
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to go talk to them about the non-motorized trail master plan then you
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can show up for that there's also a new piece of single track that Maddie had
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mentioned open at the brands trails which is always exciting it's not that
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long but it's connector from the Copper Ridge Road to the lazy trail let's
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see on the 11th along with along with Melanie and Bill we hosted Steve Waldrup
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who is the governor's housing head housing representative or affordable
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housing representative housing representative Steve Waldrup's awesome if
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anyone is familiar with him he was a former representative he knows his stuff
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inside now he asked great questions Bill put together a really nice itinerary
to
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take him on we went to USU and talked about some of the projects that are going
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on there for like housing for potentially housing for students then attended a
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feature like tech project just basically do east of the campus over off of this
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it's milk creep right and that looks that that looks like a great project it's
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gonna be multifamily housing to the tune of was it 420 units I think
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something like in a couple of phases so not immediately but it but it looks
like
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they're gonna be breaking ground here in a couple of months and I was really
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excited about that it is in the city but it had it really honestly had a bit
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on my radar so I think that's something that we haven't talked about a lot but
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it is going to be some good housing that's going to be becoming available
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for folks in the county soon we attended a feature like tech project
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over at the current or the old assembly of God Church and then had a nice
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ththo discussion with Steve also and I just want to commend him for coming
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down and talking to us just all the all the respect in the world does a great
job
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and thanks for putting that together bill also tssd that same night set up a
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workshop we need to go over bylaws and rules there's going to be workshop
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on Monday also so they've asked we said to get involved a little bit some
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representatives who came out and recommended that they add guy to their to
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some of their current water drops in their spring to see if it comes through
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to the spring site they're discussing developing to see if that's actually new
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water or old water they they thought that would be the first
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step and help you develop that old spring site
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also with course I talked about priorities that they need to get
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on with and the number one priority is to get Ryan Bell who's the water
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operator out in Thompson's help he's just been getting behind and behind
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he's also our operator for the city of Moab so he kind of does the awesome
stuff
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when he's not working here and he's been very busy also there's a lot of basic
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maintenance that's needed around the facility over at the SSD so we talked
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about using this a little bit of money to just hire out some small jobs like
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weeding and basic maintenance in those areas and also tssd did that day submit
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their audit component to Grand County so that's
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one more step let's see also attended a responsible
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RIC committee meeting on Friday
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yeah just wanted to they went over some of the trail ambassador stuff they're
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shifting focus and cutting down the program for the summer it's hot they're
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shifting focus to Milk Creek at the hikers there
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and then for the mountain biking up at porcupine campground
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a lot of people ride the whole enchilada trail in the summertime and it's hot
and
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you get a lot of people coming through there and that's kind of the last spot
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where people can bail off the whole enchilada
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before they go down porcupine rim which is which is long and hot
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usually takes people three or four hours to get down to the river
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so it's nice to have people stationed there with water and
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advice also as Maddie said the OHVR grant committee
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visited to to look at our the motorized ambassador program
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and we should be looking at a grant here in the next couple of weeks
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also looked at shifting some of the the kind of the motorized part of the
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program to include some sort of a trail component trail project
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component which i think would be pretty cool
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and let's see if that was about it there i've talked about the spring
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spruce up which was a great success most volunteers ever this year most
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projects and i think everybody's seen the results
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from now and let's see that's it for my reports just real quick for the public too i know you mentioned using an owl
Chair Bill Winfield:
for those that don't know what an owl is oh i'm sorry yeah thanks bill
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it's um actually a video and recording
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mechanism that can be used for our meeting so
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as much as we'd like to have an actual owl for their wisdom
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this is um a technical it's yes have an actual owl Mike go ahead i attended the grand county
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transportation special service district meeting
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the owl did come up in my meeting also they'd like to
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have their meetings reported or publicized uh
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just in random form but in video form uh
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they accepted uh a big proposal from la grande johnson at
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repaving repaving and fixing the shoulders from
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the spanish valley drive uh four-way stop uh just down from the spanish trail
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trail uh out to the county line uh
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redoing uh la grande johnson our local business will be
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doing uh redoing that paving because it
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of give or take seven hundred thirty thousand dollars four hundred eighty six
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seven hundred thirty thousand seven hundred thirty one thousand dollars
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uh the competing bid was almost double that
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uh just because la grande is a local company
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is the reason why the bids were so far apart
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uh i actually you'll be all receiving an email here
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before me uh shortly i'm unable to to attend the recreation
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special service district meeting uh tomorrow night i will be happening on
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the river but uh it is an important meeting to attend
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seeing that it will go into our budgeting meeting
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on monday our special committee so if anyone you'll see an email here in a
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little bit if anyone could attend that it's just
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to catch dates and then take that into the budgeting
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meeting for me uh other than that uh for future future
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consideration i wish i could have said it earlier
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with the clapping and everything but i'd like to uh resurrect uh the
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acceptance of the grant and the rfp's i'd like to look at that proposal after
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our budgeting meeting on the 23rd for the pickleball courts so i'd like to
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bring that back up coming in for next commission meeting past
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the budgeting meeting but other than that that's about it very good mary i guess so i i was uh in Salt Lake helping my
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daughter last week and i was in Durango this week so
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i don't have much to report on i would love to attend the meeting for you but
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tomorrow's my solid waste so i won't be able to but i do have a
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future consideration i think it'd be great if we had the
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housing task force come in and do a presentation on
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their dashboard it's pretty amazing and i think it'd be
Commissioner Mary McGann:
really good if we understood how it worked and what is offered on it so that's a future consideration. Thank you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner Martinez, would you like to join us?
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I'd love to join you guys, hello.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um so i'll try to keep it quick um let's see on the 17th i was also there at
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that uh i'm sorry on the 4th yeah the 4th i
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
was there on the uh audit committee review um
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
audit committee let's see we reviewed the internal audit report
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and then there was discussion on the inter on the airport funds that had been
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
mixed up with the general fund projects and then there was also suggested
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
direction for the internal auditor to look into the GCAT airport and TRT funds um and then i think Jacques talked about the RFP for
the external auditor is ready but has not gone out to bid yet
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um on the 10th i attended a meeting with amy hoss
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
who is the executive director of the colorado river authority of utah
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um and so she was talking about the informal deadline has passed on the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
interim interstate negotiations for consensus
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
framework and that's the agreement that deals with the lake pal
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and lake mead operations which expires in 2026
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um neither the upper or lower basins um have completely bought into anything to
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
any of the alternatives right yet um but they are like trish had mentioned
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
developing a new kind of little creative idea that's going to be based around
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
natural flow um on their for their base operations
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and that's kind of where the flow will be based on the average flows of the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
river and they'll also have a minimum and a
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
maximum on that um it's kind of funny but you know i've
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
read a little bit people are kind of thinking of it as a little bit like a
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
divorce between the upper and the lower basin states
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
with glenn canyon is the uh the connector right there
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
second let me keep going here um the neat thing about it is it's going
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to spread the burden of the hydrology between the upper and the lower basin
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
states uh and right now they're modeling it
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
the uh the average flow on a three-year period
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um the minimums on that's going to be 4.7 million acre feet
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
uh and that's to not affect the infrastructure and then the maximum on
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that's going to be 12 million acre feet not to cause any kind of spill over
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
the problem that they're having right now is the percentage
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
of the natural flow from Lake Powell the upper basin is looking at a number
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
about 55 percent and the lower basin wants to see 75
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
percent coming on down there um and then the other thing that she
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
also mentioned is that it doesn't really matter it might not
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
matter exactly what comes out of the bureau
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
out of the negotiations because the bureau of rec might not accept
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
this type of uh deal just kind of as is um
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
which and then after this is all kind of put in you know if they do go to this
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
natural flow it'll kind of be up to the upper basin
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
states right to all buy into the conservation
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
need so either which way we're still going to be
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
having um you know conservation to be looking
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
after the last thing that she updated us on
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
was the forecast for the Lake Powell inflow
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and that came in at 54 percent right now
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
also that that averages out to be about 5.1 million acre feet
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
so that is pretty concerning um that same day i went to the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Moab tourism advisory board and there was a quite a lot that happened inside of
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that meeting um we'll be discussing the um
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
the bylaw rewrite a little bit later so i won't go into that
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
but there's a new website that is live um and the project was completed on time
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
with a lot of good uh with a lot of hard work so
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
congratulations to the team for getting that taken care of
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
they ask that businesses go and look at their listings
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um and then email any problems that they have to
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
uh m seleta that's m s o l e t a
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
at discovermoab.com if they need to update their listings
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um we also approve TRT application process
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
for a 20 for their 2026 recommendation letter
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um that should be pretty neat and be able to
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
kind of just help help figure out you know how they how they think that the uh
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
the TRT mitigation and the TRT uh promotion funds
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
should be spent um we got an update from madden who's the new marketing agency
and
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
they're working fast to get ads in market right now
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and then we also discussed the metrics for the six percent target growth
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
right there and they kind of came up with the restaurant tax the city
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
resort tax and the rural hospital tax and then
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
they'll do it end of the year with the c gardener report when those numbers
come
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
out um on the 11th i attended the chamber
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
of commerce meeting um and right now they're working on a
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
business survey seeing if there's any interest
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
in businesses being involved or open for the weekend of the electric light
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
parade um they're looking to try to make
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
it a weekend event to boost visitation and activities for residents
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
they also had some interest to see if the county would be willing
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to put some lights up over the bridge that crosses the colorado river right
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
there um they just had their golf tournament
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
they raised fifteen thousand dollars three thousand of that is going to be
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
going to a scholarship uh let's see also on the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
11th i attended the water conservation workshop
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
with guissa um let's see there's going to be the one of
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
the things that came out of that meeting is is they requested that the county
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
adopt a landscape ordinance that'll allow residents to claim the two dollar
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
per square foot for replacing grass with water efficient landscaping
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um so myself commissioner mccandless and stephen stocks have started that
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
process and we're going to try to start
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
getting that moving moving along um the 2025
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
conservation plan will be discussed at this week's
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
guissa meeting as well on the 12th i attended the motorized trail committee
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and uh we had a presentation from the uh for maddie there about the oh
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
i'm sorry the ohrv grants motorized trail ambassador program
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
uh they're also going to have a rake and ride on the 28th
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
of this month at lackey basin up in the lisales
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um and then there was a thing that the draft ea
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
for e-bikes is looking to be out at the end of june
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and let's see here and then also on the 27th of september for public lands day
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
uh they're looking at projects for cliffhanger or the lost world trail
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
right now um on the 13th i was at the audit committee
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um the component units that we're still waiting on is the solid waste
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
ems the recreation district and the moab valley fire
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um let's see here uh we kind of talked about a possibility of grand county
maybe
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
assisting with the percentage of the audits of the component units
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to try to get them to use the same auditor as grand county
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um maybe that would kind of help incentivize them to
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to get everything in on time uh we also set a meeting to discuss the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
deadlines with the component units to encourage more timely delivery
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and financials i think that's been set and then john hatterley uh like jock had
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
said noted a conversation with the state auditor asking him to test our trt to
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
ensure compliance uh john also noted on that that the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
state audit audit auditor's office is aware that
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
component units are due but suggested that we take care of
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
trail ambassador issues as soon as possible so the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
financials are correct i think that's all i got thanks Thank you Brian. All right, Melodie.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
felt really really busy but most people talked about a lot of the things i was
at
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
or i've watched the meetings but um monday the ninth i was went to the
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
council on aging raven from the all timers association spoke
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
about services that they offer and they're committed to helping here
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
especially helping for dementia caregivers so if you go to the grand
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
our grand county care grand center well facebook page
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
they try to post what when she's coming down and i think that's on a
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
monthly basis didn't um go with on the you the housing
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
tour with steve walder that was great times that i know jock covered most of
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
things we talked about thursday the 12th they had a staff we
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
had a sand flat stewardship meeting um as of may end of may 2025
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
it's down 2.5 compared to 2024 they did mention the update on the e-bike
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
environmental access public comment that would be hopefully
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
available by june 30th um our comments be made on that they are
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
going to be having the star parties again this year
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
so there'll be the additional information coming out in star parties
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and they also have a really cool event it's going to be getting going on up
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
there it's going to be a walk along um theater
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
project i think the city helped fund that but it's what it really needs i
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
know there's flyers around town about that that's coming up later this
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
fall and then i also went to the county lands health care special service
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
district we reviewed the audit we got our
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
financials in and also approved the cib application for the master plan
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
for the feasibility study for the continuation of the maps area over by the hospital very good thank you i attended a
Chair Bill Winfield:
zoom call with ui there's a couple of items that
Chair Bill Winfield:
were discussed property tax and centrally assessed
Chair Bill Winfield:
i think um we're wearing out the centrally assessed
Chair Bill Winfield:
issue and not seeming to get anywhere with it but it looks like they're going
Chair Bill Winfield:
to try and tackle that again in this next year's legislative session
Chair Bill Winfield:
so that's what came out of that one i mean i was in
Chair Bill Winfield:
many of the same media was that both jock and brian and
Chair Bill Winfield:
melody at different points i wasn't in a civ
Chair Bill Winfield:
meeting um got a little bit emotional when nazi zanadi gave his goodbye as he
Chair Bill Winfield:
is leaving that board after 12 years i believe but
Chair Bill Winfield:
was quite interesting to hear his history and
Chair Bill Winfield:
his immigration to this country from i believe pakistan
Chair Bill Winfield:
so it's quite interesting there although we approved quite a few different
Chair Bill Winfield:
projects around the state at the cib meeting
Chair Bill Winfield:
which was held over in cedar city and then one of them that i abstained on the
Chair Bill Winfield:
boat was was the approval of an emergency loan for
Chair Bill Winfield:
grand county for a new airport fire engine and that will
Chair Bill Winfield:
allow us to get a new engine on order which takes
Chair Bill Winfield:
almost two years to complete that process and eventually
Chair Bill Winfield:
the faa will possibly refund that in the future and we can pay the cib loan
Chair Bill Winfield:
back so that loan was for 1.4 million and change with a one percent
Chair Bill Winfield:
interest fee on it which was quite good and i'm very
Chair Bill Winfield:
personally that my peers voted to move that forward for grand county as i
Chair Bill Winfield:
abstained just all there i was also on the steve
Chair Bill Winfield:
walder trip which was very good to hear what usu has planned for future housing
Chair Bill Winfield:
up there as well and then they're working with a
Chair Bill Winfield:
developer on that currently and then the two light tech programs
Chair Bill Winfield:
as well was um i'm excited to see some of that come on
Chair Bill Winfield:
board i was in the audit committee meetings that have been
Chair Bill Winfield:
fairly well represented by both jock and brian
Chair Bill Winfield:
as well and i think for me that's it as well so i'll move on to the elected
Chair Bill Winfield:
officials reports steven if you'd like to sure um we'll invite him to a couple meetings as commissioners know and maybe the
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
public uh just for all your guys is
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
excited for the phone if you invite me to a meeting i will do my best to come
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
meeting um commissioner had the request i attended trail mix meeting we talked
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
about open uh answer some questions about what the
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
goals are for open and what it is that we're talking
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
about that leads me to another critical point
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
whenever we're looking at open public meetings acts it's really important for
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
individuals to be engaged in the meeting
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the reason why we have open public meetings is that the community can see
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
an open deliberation and discussion um
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that's hard because we all have lives and we all have other obligations
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but when we're when when folks are up on the dais we want to make sure
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
we're in their meetings they're not texting during the meetings we're emailing
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
because the perception could be is that you're getting some information or some
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
help on the conversation even though it might be somebody asking
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
are you coming home before 10 o'clock tonight which the answer is no
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
um and make sure that that you're focusing on those things because that's
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the idea of governance that's the idea of having these open and public
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
meetings so just a reminder on that as we go
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
through this process and try to do it boards
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
at times we'll we'll kind of falter or kind of need training on a particular
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
item sometimes it's quorum sometimes it's attendance sometimes it's
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
voting when the meeting hasn't been noticed upright and so we have to redo
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the meeting those things happen if you're ever
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
confused if commissioners would like me to attend a board to kind of sit down
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and talk with them um some boards you know i've had the
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
opportunity to attend the library board
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and some of the other unique boards i don't have the
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
council on key or the council on aging i haven't gone to that meeting yet
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
if you folks would like me to go to the boards let me know samford chairs or
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
other folks on commissions or committees or study groups or advisor
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
boards happy to do that um similar to that i attended the
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
m tab meeting we'll be talking a lot more
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
about that so i'll skip that part um
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
i i want to say also and i'll echo the concerns that commissioner dean had
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
there was a shooting this weekend there was somebody that went out and
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
specifically targeted elected officials uh two people were killed and two
people
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
were severely injured there were other people that were on
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the list you tried to go to a u.s attorney's house
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and try to go to somebody else's house it is
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
terrifying when elected officials are targeted
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
elected officials should be able to speak their peace
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and we should always play the idea not the man and that's
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
really important and i know politics have gone
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and everywhere from nationally and locally to everything in between
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
gotten a lot more focused on the individual we need to play the topic not
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the man and i vehemently oppose any violence
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
whatsoever i'm excited to say there was a there
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
was a protest this weekend people did it peacefully that's what the game is
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that's how it's set up you are protected and having free speech
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
if you do it in a safe and non-violent way and it is exceptionally
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
concerning when people are being killed and tracked their
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
house uh i as a prosecutor as an elected
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
those things need to be down cried they're not there they need to be
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
highlighted they need to be made an example of
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
um and so i wanted to state that i think that's something the community
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and nationwide public wherever that is not something that should stand
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that is not something that should be accepted
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
so just want to make that note and that's everything i have thank you pretty good we have coven Mr.
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
Coughman please thank you you able to hear me all right
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
yes sir wonderful uh chris coffman grand county treasurer
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
i'm here to present on the 2024 collections investments and other
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
updates i do see you have a very full agenda so i will try to keep it fairly
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
brief um i do want to apologize i had planned
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
to be in person at this meeting today but i was
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
at a called up to a meeting at the capitol this morning where
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
ux staff and other county elected officials met with
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
the bill sponsor from a piece of legislation last year which i will talk
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
about later in my presentation so i apologize for that
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
but moving on one of my main jobs in the treasurer's office is to collect
property
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
taxes and one of the important statistics
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
that i calculate every year for the state tax commission is our collection
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rate and a lot of you have heard me talk
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
about this year after year but some of you are new so i'll just
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
cover it briefly it's the proportion of the taxes that
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we ask for versus the amount that we actually
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
get and we don't get everything we ask for it because some people can't or
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
don't pay their taxes some taxes are abated
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or canceled and so that collection rate is actually factored into the
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certified tax rate calculation that the state tax commission does
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
every year and the state basically says look we know you're not going to get
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
all the taxes you ask for therefore we're going to allow you to
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
ask for more so that you come close to to that target budget amount that
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
you're looking for the end result is that the better job
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
that we can do at collecting taxes the less taxes we're going to have to ask
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
for so that's why i keep a close eye on our collection rate
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and i do everything that i can to improve it because it saves
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our taxpayers money unfortunately 2024 was not
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a good news year on the property tax collection front
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
similar to 2023 we had a handful of very large mostly businesses
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
mostly hotels and condominiums that apparently were still struggling with
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the increase that they saw in the in the revaluation of the
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
commercial properties that happened in 2023
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and that really had a major impact on our collection rate driving it down
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even lower than it was in 2023 so our collection rate this year was about 93.8
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percent versus 94.6 the year before
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and we had consistently seen rates in the 95 to 97 percent range prior to
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that i'm hoping that these businesses are
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able to figure out how to get their taxes paid
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on time given the new amounts that they have
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in front of them the silver lining to this is that it's
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not like we have a big problem with a wide
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range of different taxpayers unable to pay
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their taxes we really can point to a handful of very
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large delinquencies that are making a change
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in the collection rate here the downside is that
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we're going to have to ask for approximately two hundred and fifteen
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thousand dollars more in taxes next year than we would have
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if the collection rate hadn't dropped i should mention that the state tax
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commission uses a five-year average of the collection rate in their
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calculation so in your packet you'll notice i have a couple graphs
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one of our collection rate over the years the other of the five-year average
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and you can see the five-year average did drop a little bit
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but that that is evened out by the prior good years that we've had
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
when we compare grand county's collection rate to other counties
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
right now in 2025 we're right about in the middle of the other counties
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but when you look at a 10-year time span
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we have done a lot in improving our collection rate and we have the seven
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largest increase in our collection rate compared to other counties
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and again looking at sort of that 10-year time span
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had our collection rate stayed the same that it was in 2014
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we would have collected or charged rather about five point one million
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dollars more than we have so it really has been a benefit to our
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
taxpayers to get that rate up and i'll continue to
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focus on that and and do the best that we can to
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increase that rate i also take a look at our
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collection rate for back taxes so these are delinquent taxes
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that people haven't paid in the prior mostly five years
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and this year was a 2024 rather was a good year
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for back tax collections not only did we collect
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a large amount but we also did a good job at collecting
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a good percentage of that so our collection rate was about 76 percent
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which was one of the higher collection rates we've had over the last few years
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the amount that we collected was about 1.2 million
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probably the second highest amount we've ever collected
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unfortunately that is just because 2023 was
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not a great year for collection so there was a lot of back tax to collect
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but also if we take a look at the back taxes that are outstanding at
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the beginning of each year and compare that to the amount of taxes
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that we charged over the prior five years
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we can see that even though it was a very large amount
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outstanding in 25 it's still only about 1.5 percent of the
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taxes charged over five years so it's not nearly as high
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and percentage wise as it has been in the past
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that said we do hope that people start paying more on time and we don't
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have these back tax collections it's better for them they save the
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interest in the penalty and it keeps that collection rate down
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and helps all the other taxpayers at the same time
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any questions on property tax collections moving on then a couple
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great moving on we i also pay attention to a couple other things in my office
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very closely one of them is electronic payments every time that
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we receive a property tax payment electronically
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it is a major benefit to our office it's
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automatically downloaded into our system the payments automatically deposited
into
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our bank account and it has made huge increases in
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efficiency in our office and 2024 was a banner year for
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electronic payments we saw the total amount of payments
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increased by more almost two million dollars
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and we also saw the number of electronic payments go up substantially
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right now we are close to having about half of our payments
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come in electronically which is just a huge progress that we've had over the
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last 10 years in that area we also have an auto bill pay program
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which is increasing in popularity we had a good increase in the number of folks
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signed up for that it's a great system where you can set
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it up and have your property taxes paid automatically from your account
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
it saves the taxpayers who want to do it time and effort
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and it's great for my office because those payments come in again
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automatically and electronically next we'll talk about investments in 2024
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
fortunately this is a very good news story
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
we benefited from having high balances in our savings
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and also from high interest rates in 2024
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so the total interest earned in our PTIF which stands for public treasures
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investment fund accounts soared to almost 1.9 million dollars
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in 2024 interest rates remained above five percent
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for almost the entire year they did start to drop in November and December
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but it was an excellent year for collections and that's even
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with the millions of dollars that were withheld for several months at the end
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of last year that we still saw an increase in our
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interest earnings
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
we also have some investments that are outside of the PTIF
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
and we've had some changes and exciting things happening there
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
first of all it was a good year for those investments with the interest
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earned going up from 140,000 to 171,000
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
we did have a pretty big change which is that our long-time investment advisor
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
who used to work for Zions Capital Advisors moved to a company called Raymond
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
James and I did some research on both companies
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I negotiated the same fee structure we had at Zions
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at Raymond James and felt comfortable following our investment advisor
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to the new company where he was given more resources
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and more opportunities for investing our money
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also late last year it really looked like the interest rate environment was
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going to be a declining one in 2025 and so I did move an additional 1.5 million
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dollars into our investments outside of PTIF
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
our investments outside of PTIF tend to be longer term
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
we're limited in how long term we can go I think five years is the maximum
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
PTIF tends to be more like 90 days out so PTIF tends to track very closely
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
the federal reserve rates and the interest rate changes
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
so the outside investments can be sort of a hedge against that they can provide
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
a little bit more stable income and especially when the interest rates
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looks like they're going to be falling it's a great place to get your money and
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
to lock in some of those better rates and even though the interest rates have
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not fallen as quickly as expected due to tariffs due to recession where
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
he's due to all sorts of things they're staying fairly high and we
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
are able to lock in some really good rates there
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
so that that's all a very good news story also the sweep account that we opened
a
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few years ago for our general fund checking has continued to do very well
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
earning about seventy four thousand dollars last year
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
and this is on money that normally would have just sat in our checking
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
being there to cover our expenses but we're able to keep it invested now
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
I was also able to open two new accounts this year
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
I worked with Mountain America Credit Union and was able to negotiate with
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them a couple of accounts where we got a guaranteed rate that is above the
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p-tiff rate so every month they take the rate that p-tiff is paying
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
and they add on in in the case of the general fund monies
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
10 basis points and then that's the interest that we get
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
so it's really kind of a no-brainer to just take that extra money
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
I opened a sweep account for the property taxes so that again we that
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
money can stay earning even when it's not in p-tiff
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
and then I also opened a savings account and it's not just a straight
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
savings account it's more like a money market but
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
I moved some a substantial amount of money from p-tiff into that again
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because the interest rate is guaranteed to be higher
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and we should earn about twenty eight thousand dollars a year more
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
just based on that margin between the p-tiff rate and the rate that we're
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guaranteed at Mountain America so that was another exciting part
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
on the investment story and you know like I said interest rates have not fallen
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
precipitously yet this year and so we can keep our fingers crossed that we
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continue to have good interest earnings for the rest of this year
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
any questions on investments from any of the commissioners Doesn't look like it, Chris. Thank you.
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
I've got just a couple other quick updates we do continue to offer email
notices
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
for folks who want to stop receiving their tax bill or their valuation via
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
the postal mail they can get it by email we're continuing to promote that
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
and hoping that that continues to increase and you went silent Thomas Chris
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
we're not hearing you okay can you hear me now yes we're golden
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
sorry about that I just mentioned that we're continuing to offer
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
email notices to folks who want to switch from postal mail to email tax bills
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
or valuation notices and I also wanted to do a quick update on SB 197 which
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
was the bill that was proposed to switch tax abatements to deferrals
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
like I said we had a meeting this morning with the bill sponsor at the
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
Capitol trying to work on some areas of common ground and I think that
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unfortunately this is an issue that even though the governor vetoed the
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bill is not going to go away the senator certainly intends to bring it
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
back in another form until he feels like he's addressed the issues that
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
and concerns that he has so I'll give more updates on that as they come
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
along but thank you so much for your time I also wanted to mention
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
that I am traveling home from that meeting and I do have another agenda
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
item and I hope to be able to call in for it if I happen to be out of range
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
at that time if you don't mind postponing it I will certainly be coming
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
back into range and be able to do it later on in the evening yeah and we'll try and move that up Chris in an attempt I'll let you know when we're
Chair Bill Winfield:
done with our consent and then if you are not in range then we'll
Chair Bill Winfield:
come at the later so it works when yeah I'm sure you're coming over
Chair Bill Winfield:
soldier summit there where it's limited service could we do it now
Chair Bill Winfield:
yeah actually are you are you able to do it now Chris we'll just move that item
Chair Bill Winfield:
up it's number nine will that work for you
Chair Bill Winfield:
absolutely okay then we'll just go ahead and move right into you're breaking up though with thank you so much I really appreciate that
I think he has to turn off his...yeah
I stopped my video so hopefully that will help
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
okay so I'm here to present approving some property tax deferrals for 2025
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
every year it's my job to identify the property
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
parcels that are eligible for tax sale and we do our best
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
to help folks get those paid up in order to avoid the tax sale
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
Grant County hasn't had a tax sale in over 15 years
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partly because we do our best to help people get
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paid up occasionally we do have some folks who aren't able to meet the
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deadline for paying all of their taxes and this year I did
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
receive two applications for deferment these folks
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
would be getting basically an additional year to pay those taxes
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
to avoid the tax sale the grand total is about thirteen thousand dollars
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again that spread across all the taxing entities
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
and these taxes don't go away they're just being deferred
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
so that they can avoid the tax sale and have a little bit more time to pay
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
and this is something that I bring to the commission most years so I'll entertain any questions all right it looks like Commissioner McCurdy
has
one I'd just like to make the motion I
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
move to approve the deferring of the presented property tax taxes until
November 30th 2025 second motion by Commissioner McCurdy seconded by
Commissioner Hadler any discussion? Being none I'll call for a vote all in
favor
that passes unanimously thank you Brian. Chris
appreciate you being able to hang in there and get that out to us
Chair Bill Winfield:
and then just for the public regarding the treasures report earlier if you go
Chair Bill Winfield:
to our agenda item he has a great set of graphs in
Chair Bill Winfield:
there that weren't able to be put up on the screen there and shared with
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the public but his entire thing is laid out there and
Chair Bill Winfield:
it's actually very informative and simple enough that even I could follow it
Chair Bill Winfield:
so all right we will let you go Chris thank you for your help there and we
Chair Bill Winfield:
will start back up with
Chair Bill Winfield:
yes commission administrator report Mr. Tyner yes sir Steve Gleason is the county's new airport director
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
and Shawn Yates is the new county engineer so we are glad to have them on
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
board both gentlemen have a lot of experience
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
and we look forward to their valuable contributions as we move forward.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Very good. Quinn, anything? you're
Chair Bill Winfield:
always good all right thank you and we're still a
Chair Bill Winfield:
bit shy of our six o'clock citizens to be heard maybe we can
Chair Bill Winfield:
fit in the consent agenda how does this one
Chair Bill Winfield:
okay so we're going to try the number five
Chair Bill Winfield:
for Melodie's request only because we asked some presenters to come about 440 and it's
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
six o'clock and so since they've been sitting here I think we could
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
listen to them it's number five and then we can go back to
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
is that okay with everyone? Then they can stay if they want to but they don't
have to.
Chair Bill Winfield:
don't have to very good so who is presenting on that one number thank you can you all hear me oh it was right there
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
yes gave me okay thank you chair um you'll have to forgive me my it looks
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
like my camera isn't working right now i would otherwise certainly have my
camera
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
on when speaking i do apologize for that
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
um and so it looks like we're up to item number five as was
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
stated and that's determination of funding allocation for opioid settlement
funds
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
and thank you for the to the for the idea for the presentations do we want to
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
allow i guess um i'll just give a brief overview and
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
then we can set back and set that up for the the
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
recipient or the potential recipient organizations to
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
to present and so the um there's a opioid
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
there's this opioid settlement funding um that grand county agreed to enter in
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
the one utah um opioid mo u
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
and there are a number of schedules in that mo u that relates to
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um uses for the settlement funds and the county serves as a pass-through
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
for these settlement funds and for the new commissioners that are
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
that haven't seen one of these approvals or weren't around when these
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
these funds first became available um we you know we did
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
i did uh approach the the jail and the sheriff's office
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
to see if there were ways that these funds could be used to
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
support existing programming at the county that's already funded
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
uh you know that we already you know support with our general funds
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
um and that that wasn't the case in the way that it's
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
in the way that it conforms with the the mo u and and
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
opioid treatment in particular and so there are three organizations in the
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
this is the third year that we would be renewing the third funding cycle
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
and there are three organizations that have received the opioid funding and
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
that's usara the wellness collective and the moab regional recovery center
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
and utah association of counties uac plays a large role in helping to
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
administer and provide all the information
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
uh needed for um you know just for passing through these funds helping
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
receive renewal requests and um as well as expenditure reports that
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
all kind of passes through uac um i will say um
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
there was uh katherine roads who's the uac representative
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
that it kind of takes the lead at uac she reached out to me because i i had
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
already submitted a report i believe it was on may 3rd at the
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
end of may the last day of may um that was a
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report on the intended grand county's intended use of
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
funds for the for the following cycle um and there's an expenditure report for
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
the previous fiscal cycle due the 30th of this month
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
um and katherine did mention that there um
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upon review of of you know the allocations that grand county has made
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
to organizations um there was sort there was a
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
a flagging or or a request for more information regarding
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
in particular the use of funds for trauma informed yoga
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
and that's one of the programs that the wellness collective offers
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
and so i reached out to brianne and i'm assuming that she's
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
going to be giving a presentation here um and brianne provided a very thorough
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
response describing the you know the intent behind trauma informed yoga the
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
credentials and the certifications and the exact process that that that entails
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
and i did share that information as well with attorney stocks
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and we both felt that was a very strong clarification given
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
um and i circled back with katherine and and provided her that information
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
that we had reviewed it and it seemed very well satisfactory and
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
um that that was that sort of follow-up and investigation into the
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
use um what you know that she gave me an indication that that that was um
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
that was very satisfactory and sufficient um
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
to move forward um you know with that sort of use so i just wanted to go get
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
get right out ahead and and sort of outline that so
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
that's all i'll say um and yeah if we want to introduce the
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
organizations thank you very much let me just okay so we have um we'll start with brianne from the wellness
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
collective brianne davis the director i have a little handout i'm gonna pass one around thanks for having me here today
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
um so i'm brianne davis and i we're a few different hats but
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
i'm here to represent the wellness collective
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and so for you those of you who don't know us very well we're a
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
a wellness center a non-profit wellness center surveying in the malab community
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
for the past two years and we serve individuals and families
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
offering holistic health programs that are all free or by donation
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and we're on a mission to foster a more resilient
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and inclusive thriving moab so since our opening which was may of
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
2023 we serve 2323 participants including 1574
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
through the opioid funded programs and so last month so just last may
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
2025 we had the highest attendance of any other
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month in our history and that includes the opioid funded programs as well
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
um our focus is more on long-term recovery so
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
helping people stay well connected and preventing relapse
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
so with support with the oud settlement funding we've offered
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
recovery centered classes such as yoga with the 12 steps of recovery
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
community ear after puncture hikes to support recovery
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
therapeutic art and craft groups and trauma sensitive yoga
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and most of these offerings have been in collaboration or partnership with
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
usara and the recovery center and i personally feel that
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
the three of us are creating a real full circle of support
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
that meets people where they're at um i know that gave spoke at the concern
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
about the trauma sensitive yoga and whether it's appropriate for the use of
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
the opioid funds and so i just want to speak to that
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
that and i included on the handout some more information about it on the back
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
so the trauma sensitive yoga the tcts why it's called so that's trauma
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
centered trauma sensitive yoga it's not a recreational style yoga it's more
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
a clinical evidence-based model and it's used in
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
behavior behavioral health settings veterans programs and recovery centers
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
nationwide and it's more about nervous system
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
healing interoception and reclaiming self-agency
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and it is wanted so we surveyed attendees um
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
at the recent indigenous resource fair and the thrive mental health fair and
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
then the family support center's kite event
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and 60 of those surveyed said that they did want to see
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
trauma sensitive yoga available in our community
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and i i think that it's needed in our county we have
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
22 percent of adults reporting high a scores
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and that's above the utah average so that means one in four of us
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
are adults with heightened risk of substance use and long-term challenges
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and so i can just speak to the fact that i'm one of those
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
four you know like i i grew up in a family with a lot of substance use and
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
trauma i lost a brother to fentanyl overdose a
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
couple years ago and so this work is really important to me
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
so thanks for listening and i'm really glad to be a peer support specialist in
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
the community helping other people navigate their own
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
path through recovery thanks for listening thank you for what you do and you know our condolences for your loss
Chair Bill Winfield:
and thanks it's it's heard our community in a big way thanks man and then Heidi Thompson is here with USARA
hello thank you guys for your time and consideration
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
um so yeah uh my name is Heidi Thompson i'm
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
a person in long-term recovery and um how you Sara has been using the
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
opioid epidemic funding is just continuing our services for the
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
community like where you said we all three all of the organizations we
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
partner really well together and we do a lot in the community we
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
will in this small community we all wear
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
multiple hats um but specifically with you Sara what we do
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
we do a lot of individual coaching so uh as people in long-term recovery
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
ourselves we use our lived experience to meet people where they're at and
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
just guide them on their own journey and then we also offer harm reduction
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
tools like Narcan we do Narcan
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
education for the community so explaining to people what Narcan is
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
it's a overdose reversal tool and we show people how to use it how to
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
identify overdose and we're able to provide that to
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
the community at no charge so that's extremely
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
beneficial um also fentanyl test strips uh that's
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
another huge thing that's taking over the community
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and it's completely saturated uh the you know substance supply so people
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
can be using it without even knowledge of
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
them using it so we also provide testing so people
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
test their substances before they use um
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and then we also do um sober social events that's one of our biggest
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
attended events monthly we try to do like a bowling event or we've been
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
doing these skate dates partnered up with Moab uh skate Moab
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and we also do offer all pathways meetings uh so like with the wellness
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
collective they come in through a yoga for us
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
which is a very heavy attendant we also do like a workout room can you play
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
basketball which is super cool and then we just do a general topic
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
discussion meeting and we also offer uh we're huge on acronyms
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
so so we offer a craft which is community reinforcement
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
family training that's for the loved ones of people that
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
they're struggling with substance use disorder so they have family members that
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
are using um we have support groups for them as
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
well we partner up with the recovery center
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and we're able to go into the gel and we do meetings there we also
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
um offer some of these harm reduction tools when
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
when people are released from gel they get a backpack
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and they're offered some of these tools as well so
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
so another way we partner with each other
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and just offer those services in the communities
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
also we show up in the recovery courts and we show up and support people that
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
way through we advocate for them we we show
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and probation and and uh child and family team meetings with
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
dcfs so whatever these people are experiencing and whatever
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
systems they're navigating through we kind of just sit with them there
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
um and then uh just do outreaching um you know partnering up with with the
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
different um organizations and uh like i said
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
in a small town we all got to kind of come together and take care of our own so we do that however we best do you guys
have any questions for me
i think we're good we sure appreciate your time and you're coming in and
letting us know how it's going there
of course thank you guys again
I've got a two for her - I expect a basketball invite
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
two i'd like to do one more we have one more okay yep i'll sit there say your
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
time thank you guys thank you all right and then Doug Caylor and
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
or is it nora? Paula Cook from the recovery center our regional hospital yeah thanks for having us um so i'm
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
calling coke i'm an addiction medicine physician at the recovery center I'm Doug Caylor and I'm the Program Director.
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
at the yeah so we're grateful to have been
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
recipients of the okra assessment money the past two years
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
and acknowledge that opioid assessment money should be taken very seriously
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
especially in light of misappropriation of tobacco money
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
over the years so realizing that opioid use disorder is a significant threat to
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
families communities and people with the high mortality and morbidity rate
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we know that people who don't get treatment have a mortality rate of
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
about 20 percent a year and people who don't get treatment continue
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
in their disease at a rate of about 93 percent
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
so we're really grateful to partner with our partners who you've met
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
and other players in the community for corners and the free health clinic and
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
mrh the funds that we've been awarded in the
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
past have gone to the treatment of opioid use disorder
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we value our clinic as a clinic that provides
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
low barrier compassionate care we provide evidence-based treatment that's
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
funded excuse me foundationally based in medication
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
and also psycho social treatments so we provide
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
medications that help with cravings and withdrawal
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we provide therapy and groups and we will plan on continuing to do that we
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
have been able to expand a lot of our services
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we increased our visits last year by 47 percent
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we had about three and a half thousand visits last year which for a small
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
clinic is very this huge volume and we have about 349
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
individuals people getting treatment now that's not all
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
people for opioid use that's people for other substances as well
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
but we do offer specialized treatment for opioid use disorder as you may know
in
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
terms of a opioid treatment program which is a federally regulated program
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
where people can get methadone it's the only way people in this country can
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
get methadone so we're really lucky to have that in
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
our community we're one of the only well we're the only
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
rural town besides logan that actually has
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
a opioid treatment program in the state of utah
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
so we really appreciate the use of funds because we don't get
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
reimbursed by many of our clients as you can understand they don't
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
often have access to insurance we have some difficulties with medicaid in this
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
part of the state in terms of funding for behavioral health
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
so we appreciate all the funding we can get and we need to continue to improve
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
and increase resources and programs for our patients
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we don't have access to you know substance specific intensive
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
outpatient programming for our clients continuous nine hours of
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
treatment a week which is recommended for most
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
people we don't have transitional housing as you all know
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
and we don't have residential treatment so we have a lot of things to look to
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we are working as heidi said to ban treatment in the jail where a lot of
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
people end up on health charges related to their opioid use
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
so we're grateful to go in there and provide services give them access to
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
medications then of course continue to provide
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
medications when they present to the clinic and also as they present to the
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
hospital so we're grateful to do that we really
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
appreciate that the the focus in the country has been
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
better appropriation of these funds and i don't think utah is guilty of this
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
but there have been other states where these funds really have been
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
misaligned so i appreciate your care and concern for this topic
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
that these funds go to the people who are affected by this and the families
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
who've lost people for this this is blood money
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
this is very important to the families who've lost people from this disease
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
that we really carefully assigned so we appreciate your attention to it thank you no one else yeah very good any questions
Chair Bill Winfield:
i think it's good thanks for both of you coming up and for the rest of the
Chair Bill Winfield:
folks back there as well i think it's just good to hear where these
Chair Bill Winfield:
funds are being used and how they're benefiting people that have
Chair Bill Winfield:
struggled with this in our community so i don't know the family
Chair Bill Winfield:
that probably hasn't been affected by this in grand county in one way or
another
Chair Bill Winfield:
so really appreciate what we do there and
Chair Bill Winfield:
mike uh got any question before the motion here uh are the uh allocation of percentages
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
the state percentages need to be named in amount yeah i think that um yeah we we would decide that in the past
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
from watching last year's meeting almost 60 of the funds went to usara
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and then 20 to the wellness collective and 20 to
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
um the recovery center so that's but i do believe it's up to
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
the commission and that was the product that's changing that's correct um has i'm sorry okay okay
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
has there been any feedbacks as far as those percentages that were allocated
the
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
last couple of years is is that something that
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
is a good working um uh division between the three entities i
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
think we all agree that those entities are deserving and do great work
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
um it's the status quo something that works for everybody
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
i guess the best they haven't really heard from any probably an uncomfortable position again for them to say hey i want more money
or
yeah so i mean i maybe i'm making an assumption but i would assume when you
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
do budgeting and you've had a certain amount it would
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
probably be best to just i mean sure i'm sure you like more but but the
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
reality is if you get more somebody you're taking it from somebody else so
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
personally i probably just leave the percentages alone
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and i guess if you guys want to debate that before next year you know that's
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
something you guys could do internally and
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and probably come to us with a proposal but i would probably leave them alone
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
just because for your budgeting purposes go ahead mike i moved to approve the allocation of opioid settlement funds
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
with the following allocation allocation percentages these 60 percent
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
uh usara 20 wellness collective and 20
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
percent i think recovery center recovery center
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
uh state person and associated funding agreement for each
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
recipient entity upon completion of review by the county attorney.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Motion by commissioner McCurdy, seconded by
Chair Bill Winfield:
commissioner mccandless any further discussion all right i'll
Chair Bill Winfield:
call for a vote all in favor
Chair Bill Winfield:
aye passes unanimously thanks for your time and thanks for the patience.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Thanks so much for what you guys do. It's so much appreciated.
Chair Bill Winfield:
so at this time we're a little bit late i will move in to our second citizens
to
Chair Bill Winfield:
be heard which should have been at six o'clock but
Chair Bill Winfield:
we will pick that up now at 6 14 if we've got anybody in the
Chair Bill Winfield:
lobby here that would like to speak i do know that we also have a public
hearing
Chair Bill Winfield:
and if you're here for the public hearing on HDHO i would
Chair Bill Winfield:
say that you wait until that public hearing is
Chair Bill Winfield:
so if your citizen be heard please come forward
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
introduce yourself sir good evening my name is Everett Hildebrand i live in
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
spanish valley uh this week and i help organize and
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
attend the no kings rally here in grand county
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
i'm happy to report the event was entirely peaceful
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
with strong turnout and a respectful welcoming atmosphere
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
about 550 people attended representing roughly nine to ten percent of beloved
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
population about five percent of grand county
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
overall people from all walks of life showed up
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
a diverse cross-section of our community united by shared values and a
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
commitment to civic participation the rally centered around a deep concern
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
for keeping our public land safe protected and accessible to all
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
just as importantly it was a demonstration of community support and
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
solidarity while a small group of counter protesters was present all
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
interactions remained civil which speaks well to the tone and
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
maturity of the event and to our ability to have civil discourse
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
in grand county it was a productive day that connected community members to
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
local organizations sparked meaningful conversations
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
and reinforced the value of open respectful dialogue
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
i also attended senator mike lee's liaison meeting last thursday
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
where the main topic of discussion was the proposed sale of public lands
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
there was a clear and widespread local opposition to the idea
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
while senator lee's office framed the proposal as a solution to support
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
affordable housing most attendees remain skeptical of that
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
justification the meeting further underscored the
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
strong local concern about preserving our public lands for the benefit of
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
current and future generations thank you guys
Chair Bill Winfield:
thank you do we have anybody else that would like
Chair Bill Winfield:
please come forward councilman councilman um i'm here to speak in as jason taylor and um also made this councilman as well
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
i want to speak a little bit about uh the chamber
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and um and what happened at the meeting the other day
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and i i would hope that um i was pretty taken back
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
i was excited about the city's involvement in hb 456
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and and having a vote on the board that was that's exciting for us
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and um exciting to work with the city um as everybody said you know that this
is
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
a great way for the city to work born and congruent with with the county
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and the travel consultant and um but i was i was blown away
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
or taken back with they said hey when it was made the motion to take the seat
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
away from the chamber of commerce um i've been
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
involved with the chamber of commerce for
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
over 25 years i've been the president of the chamber
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
i've been on it on the board you know for the time
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and like trisa king said you know like she thinks she's that
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
it's probably been on there for about 40 years and um
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
as looking and in the bylaws you know it is written that the chamber does have
a
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
seat and the chamber is such an advocate for
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
businesses the chamber is the one place where
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and it does an excellent job of pulling its members
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and talking about what the travel council is doing all the time
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
i can i can honestly say that in 20 years that they are reaching out to its
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
members and saying how does this affect you
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
you know what do you think of this what do you think of that and they're
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
bringing that back to the travel council
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
as one voice you know in what works for the business community
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and i think that it's um i think that we're all busy we all have a lot going
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
on and i think that when this came up on
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
the agenda um a lot of people hadn't really had
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
much thought about what to do and it wasn't given
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
the consideration and the options that it should have been given
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and i would hope that we can go back and that we can
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
um and that we can look at that and say hey
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
is there a better way you know um ronnie who spoke before said that there
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
was four options and i think that that was
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
three more than what we're brought up um
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
then we're brought up at that stuff so i i hope that you guys would send this
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
back and maybe to either the travel council
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
or you guys say you know say hey here's some options that will work
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
you know let's let's not um i'll throw this out before we expect all options thank you thank you sir anybody else
Chair Bill Winfield:
in the chamber yes please come forward introduce yourself my name is pete gross um
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
i'd like to echo the sentiments from uh dave closser
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
um two weeks ago and also it says we heard regarding became great development
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
also known as not rebranded as echo canyon
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
um so i don't need to belabor those what he said i already said everything i
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
i would have said um i understand that the
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
that echo canyon might be creating a preliminary
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
um municipality board and i think Commissioner Hadler would be an excellent
appointment
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
for that position if you wanted it if you guys approved
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
um also uh earlier today and citizens to be heard
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
i heard some excellent comments from mary o'brien
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
um i would i would strongly urge you to follow her free advice that could save
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
taxpayers in kran county sixty thousand dollars
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
for yet another study that pretty much is just going to come up with the same
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
conclusion maybe tweaking might even be worse than you want to
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
hear that than some of some of the board here so
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
i mean the commission so i urge you to unanimously reject
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
wasting sixty thousand dollars of taxpayer money on yet another study
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
that's just going to probably come up to the same conclusions
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
um sixty thousand dollars of free advice i think that's a good deal should take her up on it thank you thank you anybody else
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
um i'm going to a couple of things i want to talk about
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
um first off is i have no economic dog in the fight in grand county
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
not a business owner i'm not a tourism
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
business guy so most of my stuff is just coming from being a citizen
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
regarding the uh reservation system and the spending of this money i
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
i would agree sixty thousand dollars it's not small change but
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
there's some real indication that that has had some impact on the economy
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
we don't know for sure uh the reservation system
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
that would be there are some indication that the sales tax revenue between the
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
city and county since 2021 has decreased by five and a half million
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
dollars a year now one shouldn't have to connect dots
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
we're an economic community is entirely based on rec on recreation so
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
if we lose visitors our revenues are going down whether it's sale tax or trt
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
and there's only one way to to make up that difference we either
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
cut services you guys do or increase tax itself uh in a grand
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
scheme of things i i think sixty thousand dollars would be money well
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
spent to find out what is the basis for this and what do we need to do
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
to fix it but um i would encourage you when that
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
comes up to to endorse that study and move forward
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
uh the other thing i would would bring up here is
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
uh information on the my glee bill um i know people are concerned about that
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
it it affects uh 0.5 0.75 of the public lands in the united states which is
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
somewhere on the border 286 million acres
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
uh the language specifically in the bill says that it is to be priorities given
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
to tracks nominated for by states and local governments adjacent
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
to developed areas with access to existing infrastructure
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
suitable for residential housing and reducing the checkerboard land patterns
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
are isolated and inefficient to manage so you know
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
there's a lot of misinformation going on
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
regarding that bill that we're somehow going to lose massive areas of public
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
lands are going to be sold off it's simply not
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
the case that most people including myself would
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
never go for that this is strictly to find
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
areas and and and lands adjacent to communities and the bill is
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
very specific it's to be used for housing
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
so with that uh i know it's not on the agenda but
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
i will speak in opposition to the gentleman who spoke earlier i think it's
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
a good program thank you thank you we have anybody else the chambers here would like to speak what about online
Chair Bill Winfield:
do we have anything if there's anybody online please raise your hand
Chair Bill Winfield:
or let us know that you'd like to participate not
mostly a lot from that and so okay that's very
great all right it looks like our 614
Chair Bill Winfield:
citizens to be heard is over and we will move on
Chair Bill Winfield:
i'm going to open the public hearing and then we will come back to your item
Chair Bill Winfield:
gabe so we will go back to item number three
Chair Bill Winfield:
which is christen hoffheim and the public hearing for the land use code
Chair Bill Winfield:
amendments article 4.7 high density housing
Chair Bill Winfield:
overlay district hello well um this has been worked out the number of times
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
this um recently saw the planning commission and i'm just going to give
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
you guys a feel of what they said the planning
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
commission voted for three with Mary Hofhine
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
OB and laura long against uh to to forward a favorable
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
recommendation he attached um ordinance um there were a couple
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
areas that were specifically um that they were that they were allowed
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
to vote on those areas included a
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
local area and the definition surrounding that
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um i'm sorry my mouth just completely dried up
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
to do some liking um so the local area will be proposed and
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
an alternative definition that didn't include the 75 miles that was just
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
similar exactly like it it was before um it will be everywhere i voted against
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
that but the rest of the commission decided to forward
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the definition as it is in the packet the other area of concern or thank you
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the other area that they um there was a lot of talk on was the ownership
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um as expected i'm sure by you guys um again ob mary and laura wanted to keep
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the ownership as is the one that was decided upon
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
was it's written in green and it is listed as
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
triple i um some additional information that i just think is
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
important for the for the public and the commission to have
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um from my last count there are 53 um deed restricted units that have received
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
ceo um roughly 54 this is just you know
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the desert souls project has 34 deed restricted units coming online
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
those are being built currently ledges which is an apartment complex
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
has 98 deed restriction um deed restricted units coming online
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
permits for that building permits for that have been pulled
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
so site plan was approved building permits have been pulled
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um i'm a little i'm not sure if they've started building i know there
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
was some preliminary work happening and i don't know where they are in the
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
so there's pulled a few pulled those today to make sure those were staying
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
forward um there are roughly 60 vested units that will not be built
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
final flat was never recorded on phases three through five
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
i'm sure you guys have all read the ordinance so i'm not going to go into
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
you know bands and house of that at this time because
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
we could talk about it next time um but some things that i just
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
wanted to point out and make sure that you and the public understand because
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
planning commission had some questions about this um
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
all of everything that is been approved is vested with a final flat that's
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
already important so these changes don't
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
affect all areas of what is on the final flat it will affect
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
immediately will not immediately and approved it will affect as soon as it
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
goes into affect these rules and regulations and
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
how it's administered through lawsuit so those definitions would change
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
immediately who could be approved would change immediately
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
but anything that was that is recorded on a deed restriction
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
and has especially if it's been purchased by someone who's not a developer
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
would require it going back through final flat
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
final flat amendments or we could through the county attorney's
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
office office enter into separate deed restrictions
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
individually with people with property owners and then those
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
would be negotiated within the county attorney's
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
office they're not part of the ordinance but
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
it's just a way so that people could buy into these changes
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
is does that make sense for everybody because it was a little bit confusing
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the planning commission so i think i just want to
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
make sure you all understand that part um and that's the way up unless you have
specific questions for me.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I just want to make sure I had
Commissioner Mary McGann:
it right down and i disguised it what what what's the recommended new split so oh yes sorry the um
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the commission the planning commission recommended
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
and again this was a split vote not all commissioners were for this.
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um 30 of the deed restricted units in an issue
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
hd to development designated under this section be held by individuals who did
not
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
qualify as actively employed houses don't increase by 10
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
percent um so technically um it would
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
essentially be a 50 50 split of the total units would be
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
non deed restricted so that and it would just be ownership
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
not occupancy that is i want to make sure that you guys all understand that
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
very very clearly occupancy is never in question
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um this 30 is we chose the commission chose 30
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
based on the fact that 20 of the HDHO developments were already unrestricted
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
they don't have deed restrictions applied to them they could be owned and
linked in
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
by anybody um so 30 assuming that that 20 is owned
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
by someone who doesn't live here um that 30 brought it up to a even 50 50 split
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
of the total units so that hopefully that doesn't
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
cause a lot of questions all right.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
So that expanded expands ownership but it will still be workforce but deed
restricted to workforce housing residents Everything yeah uh
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
occupancy was never in question that will always be limited
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
to people with n-word in grand county or the 75 or the local area
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
as it's now defined um or could be defined
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
having to smoke um this would just open up some of them to ownership outside of
Grand County.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right Mary did you have another question?
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I just wanted well I just wanted to make sure
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that when i read through it sounds like
Commissioner Mary McGann:
it's a work to help with that loaning process yeah so that was a big concern that was one of the main catalysts for
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
adjusting this um and that all of the language that was concerning
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
as far as i am aware has been removed it speaks now
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
firmly and completely to the county can institute legal action or
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
proceedings necessary to ensure compliance with this
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
section including about limitations and then it talks about
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
you know damages and it would all go through the courts which was the
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
concern that we wouldn't just be removing c-o-o's which i think was the
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
major um for some of the lenders.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
With there never being a question on occupancy in the workforce by the way just
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
i i thought we spoke about like why would we care about the other 50
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
percent like it could all be outside ownership as
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
long as workforce we're living in there.
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
And that is one of your options as the commission you guys can choose to not
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
go forward with a planning commission but the infrastructure would be
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the deed restriction will still be there um but the reason that the commission
the
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
planning commission and we we spoke about this at length is because
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
their belief that is that the intent and at
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
or when this was written was for was to create a pool of local
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um houses houses that could only be purchased by
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
locals naturally bringing the price down and this was something that was
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
discussed um in prior public hearings at the
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
time it went through so
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
many of the many of the planning commission members actually voted to
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
not touch ownership at all they wanted to it to remain
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um the 80-20 as it was um designed. well i'm i doubt that yeah but we can't
debate Let's also remember that this is a
Chair Bill Winfield:
public hearing and so we'd like to let the public have their opportunity and
Chair Bill Winfield:
we'll have an opportunity when this comes back before
Chair Bill Winfield:
us to do the vote and make any changes so do you have Something i was just gonna say exactly that
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and then i'll make sure i'll send out those two planning commission meetings
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
all commissioners and i highly recommend you
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
watch them because i think the the planning commission did an
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
excellent job of diving deep and bantering this so i'll send those out all right thank you so if you will allow the public
Chair Bill Winfield:
thank you do we have anybody that would like to speak
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right mr o'brien please come forward and introduce yourself so i'm Bob O'Brien i'm from Castle Valley.
Bob O'Brien:
and i'm going to speak today as a citizen of grand county
Bob O'Brien:
not as a council member of the town of castle valley
Bob O'Brien:
or as a planning commissioner uh in grand county
Bob O'Brien:
i agree with a lot of the uh things that are going to be changed about the
Bob O'Brien:
HDHO that you're considering but i'm going to urge you
Bob O'Brien:
not to vote for two of these changes because they
Bob O'Brien:
reduce the possibility for local actively employed households
Bob O'Brien:
they'll own a house and there really is an important thing about
Bob O'Brien:
owning houses the first change actually involves this thing of going
Bob O'Brien:
the change would be this right now you have to live
Bob O'Brien:
in the in grand county or the 45 uh 45 432
Bob O'Brien:
area code but it would extend this from the corner of main and center streets
Bob O'Brien:
to 75 miles in radius so that would include
Bob O'Brien:
montabello green river and blandy what this does is
Bob O'Brien:
from my this means if you work in those areas
Bob O'Brien:
and meet actively qualified helpful things as defined in the HDHO
Bob O'Brien:
you can buy a house in moab so that means there's less
Bob O'Brien:
housing for people to own who are actively employed workers
Bob O'Brien:
in our community that they can buy under the HDHO maybe possibly affordable
Bob O'Brien:
housing for the second is this uh increasing who is
Bob O'Brien:
eligible for an HDHO deed restricted property
Bob O'Brien:
it's going to with which will also reduce the number of homes that are
Bob O'Brien:
available to those people that's what the HDHO was right written for
Bob O'Brien:
so local workers could actually have housing
Bob O'Brien:
and it basically says that 30 percent of the 80 percent of the housing that
Bob O'Brien:
was going to be purchased by local workers can now be
Bob O'Brien:
purchased by people who live in topeka kansas salt lake city
Bob O'Brien:
it's a little bit different than christie i think that comes out to
Bob O'Brien:
the 30 of the 80 added to the 20 it means that
Bob O'Brien:
56 of the housing owners own housing is all
Bob O'Brien:
reserved for ownership of locally pro households and 44 percent is not
Bob O'Brien:
quickly i'm going to say much more than this but
Bob O'Brien:
buying a house provides an avenue for actively employed households
Bob O'Brien:
to pursue one version of the american dream
Bob O'Brien:
that is a pathway to build wealth and or at least security i urge you not to
Bob O'Brien:
approve these two changes because they're going to
Bob O'Brien:
have fewer houses available for locally employed active households
Bob O'Brien:
thank you for your work to make our community better for those who work here.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Thank you sir, do we have anyone else that wants to speak
Chair Bill Winfield:
at this public hearing yes ma'am please come forward now traditionally we give people more time than three minutes
Commissioner Mary McGann:
during public just because if there are time to
Commissioner Mary McGann:
talk about that's just been a tradition that that Well thank you, but we'll kind of try and keep
Chair Bill Winfield:
it as short as possible we have a very long meeting but three minutes
(unclear) Public Comment on HDHO ordinance:
Speaking to the same two...
Chair Bill Winfield:
Introduce yourself, because people on zoom don't necessarily know you
(unclear) Public Comment on HDHO ordinance:
Each of you on the commission requested Grand County residents to vote for you
in part
(unclear) Public Comment on HDHO ordinance:
because you are concerned about affordable housing some or all of you
(unclear) Public Comment on HDHO ordinance:
have promised as a commissioner to focus attention on workers
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
you know the people some of you who claim are being forgotten
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
you all know that emts school teachers police officers health workers
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
and other workers in their family in their families
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
in grand county have trouble finding affordable housing in grand county
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
soon you will either vote to keep the maximum amount of high density housing
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
more affordable for workers in grand county
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
or you will vote to undermine the HDHO purpose to provide home builders
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
with the incentive of building densely in return for providing grand county
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
workers with a chance to actually own their own home not rented from a
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
developer in salt lake city or las vegas
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
the HDHO was a compromise get the chance to build and sell homes at a higher
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
density for each type of zone in exchange for selling 80 of the houses
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
to workers in the 84532 zip code that is grand county and adjacent
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
spanish valley any reduction in that 80 to include competition from workers
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
in blending monosello and green river will drive up the price for grand county
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
workers in in two or so weeks you vote to grant up to 44 of that density
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
to an investor with more money than most workers
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
you will be reneging on your pledge to help ensure that you will help workers
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
in green grand county own their own home in grand county
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
as the saying goes which side are you on workers who want the stability grand
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
county workers who want the stability of owning a home
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
or investors second homeowners and developers who want a larger profit
(unclear) Public Comment on HDHO ordinance:
support the HDHO as it is or get it thank you thank you do we have anyone else?
Please Mr. Reilly.
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
Good afternoon my name is Ben Reilly i'm the executive
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
director of the housing atonia in southeastern newtaw i was around when
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
this policy was adopted and worked on so it's been
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
administrative program for the last five or six years so i have
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
quite a few comments on the changes i'll start with a lot of things that i
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
agree with people talk about the local area expanding the local area employment
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
remote employment i don't have an issue with that i don't think hosue doesn't
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
have an issue with that i think that's good to expand that definition a little
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
bit more i'm okay with expanding the lease
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
or reducing the lease requirement i think that will
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
probably add some kind of going to my list of changes as they come as they go
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
down the list reducing the lease term from six to
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
three months i think that will create some additional
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
administrative hurdles obviously we're going to have to be re-qualified people
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
more often you know there's only three months i i'm generally in
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
of not opposition approval of that because i i understand that it's
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
generally for parks workers and temporary workers and i think that a
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
lot of the HDHO was kind of meant for that temporary worker so
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
generally in support of reducing that that lease term
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
one one quick note that i'll it does strike something about the title company
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
notifying hosue that's somewhere in there it that has been kind of a big
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
headache for hosue since the since hhlo started we've had a lot of
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
trouble with title companies in real estate
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
not local real estate agents because i think the local real estate agents have
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
really have a good handle on the program know it and know how
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
to tell their buyers to notify hosue but we've had a lot of issues with
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
not a lot of issues but not being alerted when
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
of conveyances happening i note that because
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
there are has been some administrative hurdles with the program and i think a
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
lot of the changes that we'll get into in a second we'll add to that
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
um so uh we have talked to christie we're hoping to like get that
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
taken out like uh in our work done in a separate session but i know that you
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
know pnc's got a low capacity right now so i'm
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
as a general scheme you know i hate to make a lot of changes to hhlo
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
other than like definitions of enforcement and lendability
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
that will add to that um administrative hurdle both for hosue and for the pnc
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
in their current state um quickly about lendability i don't have a
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
a dog in the fight and lendability i other than i want to see it succeed i want
to
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
see that the enforcement is something that grand county can enforce
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
and that lendability is totally like not an issue i want to see that htho
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
units are on a fair even playing field um i know we're already here she'll
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
probably speak to that um she's been a good proponent in
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
helping proceed put together language for that
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
um the biggest obviously issue is the ownership exemption
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
um i'll kind of give the same spiel that i've given to
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
the whole subcommittee through the process through planning commission to
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
hear you know i was here during that again during the
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
process of creating this and i do believe that this
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
program was intended to as a secondary market for
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
locals to have a market to buy a home so i
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
hosue and myself are generally opposed to the ownership exemption
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
because we feel like that was a core tenant of the of the program
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
um to allow uh locals to buy homes so i i encourage you not to touch that
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
um but i understand let me see what else i have in my notes so
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
yeah really just that that ownership portion um
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
you know when it comes down to adding more administrative hurdles
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
you know that's just another thing that we're going to have to differentiate
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
between do they are they an owner living in
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
there or they have a renter and um you know again working with p and z
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
hopefully you know staffing increases i know
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
chris is doing a great job but you know they're she's kind of a one person show
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
so i just i would caution you to add more administrative hurdles right now when
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
we have a p and c that um but p and z and hosue that are you know a little
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
understaffed so um generally i would say the changes
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
are good and i'm happy with them other than that ownership exemption ownership exemption exception thank you thank you mr
...
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
so i'm Rarni and i'm with Primary Residential Mortgage here in Moab
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
the local lender i'm here today in regards to the public hearings
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
for um the changes on the excuse me i took part in the sub housing committee
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
meetings um supporting the recommendations that
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
might see planning and zoning we had several key players give you
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
feedback i also attended two out of the three
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
planning and zoning meetings and the input on the lending challenges faced
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
within the current code i watched the final planning and
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
zoning meeting and feel they did a really great job
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
deliberating the changes to the land use code that were asked of them
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
this decision wasn't made lightly and i appreciated the commission's
conversation
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
on working with one another i feel that they were very educated on
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
HDHO many questions and hypothetical situations were brought up
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
in the end they were not all in agreements but the proposed changes did
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
pass with an approval the lending challenges weren't
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
something that was in disagreement this was more cleaning up the code with
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
recommendations from legal counsel within the enforcement and remedies
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
section to make sure the verbiage of grand
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
county's enforcement doesn't supersede along there's
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
it needed to be cleaned up so it's clear to what enforcements grand county
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
can legally impose i recommend under section 4.7.6
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
c the enforcement section where it states grand county reserves the right to
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
force all remedies including the sale of a property
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
as outlined in grand county's land use code
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
be updated removing the verbiage including the sale of a property
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
this could still be problematic for lenders
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
within section 4.7.11 it defines penalties for violations and legal action
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
that can be taken by the county so i'm asking is just kind of really
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
look at that because you're what you're really saying is hey we're going to
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
force you to sell your property if you violate anything then grand county's
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
going to ask you to sell your property so we just maybe take a look at that
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
and legal counsel my final thoughts the HDHO was a pilot program
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
and as such everyone knew there would need to be updates
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
as we learned how the program affected lendability occupancy
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
and sale of properties the program has been somewhat successful
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
and has failed in other areas if the program was a true success
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
we wouldn't be here today and all units would be built
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
and sold or at least started and not sitting empty
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
i agree with the recommendations by planning and zoning with a minor change
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
within section 4.7.6 c through the HDHO removing the verbiage
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
including the sale of a property and thank you to the chair and the commission.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Thank you. Anyone else? Yes please come forward Hi everyone i'm Courtney Kizer and i'm here on
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
behalf of myself and i'm also one of the original
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
developers of milky flats which is an HDHO project
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
and we're one of the few HDHO projects that has units for sale
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
i'm personally very excited to see this public hearing open
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
we've been asking for revisions this program for years to more fully
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
encompass the needs of our local community and workforce
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
i support the document before you it's the culmination of a great deal of
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
collaboration with the input of many individuals
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
representing a range of different organizations and interests
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
including representatives from MACLT, HASU,
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
county commissioners sitting here today private lenders HDHO housing providers
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
real estate agents representing HDHO projects
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
HDHO unit owners county staff including the attorney's office
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
thank you christie for everything and the planning commission
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
commission the resulting document is very much a compromise
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
like the 30% deed restricted units could be owned by
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
of the counties the writers of the ordinance have been publicly clear that
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
they wrote it for occupancy not for ownership to meet that deed
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
restriction but that's not the question right now
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
is how do we make the program work which is why i think that that
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
compromise of the lower percentage instead of just getting rid of the
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
planning commission meeting where they a majority of the planning commission
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
landed on that percentage i think is great and i'm for it
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
um what you see today has been pared down immensely from our first tasks but
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
ultimately for the better i believe it will be very effective
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
encompassed encompassing the people that have been missed
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
by the verbiage of the original ordinance without losing the original
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
spirit the only item i would like you to
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
reconsider is what ronnie had just mentioned about 4.7.6.c
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
um about forcing a sale of a home um
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
then the reason for that is fha denied the program specifically for these
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
types of beverages and fha loans are really
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
critical because they are low down loans for people with less than perfect
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
credit or who otherwise struggled to qualify
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
traditional mortgages as such it's a critical pathway to home ownership for
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
many local buyers i ask you to prove this document with
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
as little fanfare or additional changes as possible
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
so i can assure you it has been through the ring of if you receive questions or
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
comments that you need help answering please do not hesitate to reach out not
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
only to public servants or staff but also to
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
the private individuals who see the implications of this code on a day
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
to day basis we can help you to understand the reasoning
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
behind these changes if you don't understand them
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
the goal is to get locals and housing asap
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
and i believe the document in front of you will go a long way in achieving them thank you do we have anyone else please come forward i hope you're okay
with me standing but we'll been sitting long enough here
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
so lindjax again uh for somebody doesn't have dogs in these
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
bodies seem to have a lot to say but i think what i can do is offer a little
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
bit of perspective maybe because i'm not directly involved
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
we've been wrestling with affordable housing
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
workforce housing ever since i well i won't say that
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
for at least the last 20 years i've sat in your
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
chair for a four-year period eight nine ten years ago
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
we were wrestling with it then uh and and one of the things that have
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
began has become kind of apparent to me
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
is that we're not going to solve this housing problem until we
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
have more density and i don't like density per se i live in a property
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
when i was on a commission we we we down zoned there used to be
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
rural residential was one unit per acre and when i was on the commission we
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
voted because we we knew we had to increase housing density
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
and we went to two i voted for it i didn't like it because there was a five
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
acre parcel behind my house katie corner and i knew
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
it was a valuable piece of property it was going to get developed and it did
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
get developed so it went from five houses to
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
to almost ten back there but if we're going to solve the housing
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
problem we have to have more density and the other thing i would notice is
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
that and i agree with bob uh we were i
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
was a young person were once in a path of homeownership and
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
in the u.s is the best way to achieve love and
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
but i would also say that it's it's better to have
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
some housing even if it's rental than to be homeless
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
and i know we started out renting uh as a young couple
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
before we were able to work ourselves into a small home and then work out
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
so i'm kind of uh i think under this housing issue it's there's no one
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
silver bullet we found that out there's not either ahead so it's it's
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
this combination of higher density and doing things that
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
make it easier for these young people to get in loans
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
it's providing housing the rental housing whether it's trailers or
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
apartments in the in the meantime
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
so i would encourage you just on a big perspective it looks to be like this
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
will help provide some housing again it's probably not a perfect
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
solution so if you do it you make the changes it
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
doesn't work you come back in a year and maybe you can see some other
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
adjustments so i would encourage you when this comes
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
in front of you for both to to support it thank you thank you anyone else regarding the public hearing that would like to speak
Chair Bill Winfield:
do we have anybody new online that would like to speak on this i think is the best nothing all right we will leave this public meeting open... Didn't see
you back there with your hand up.
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
I was debating. I find myself in a strange
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
position of agreeing with Lynn Jackson Make note of that!
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
I make note when I agree with you on something The idea that especially the
closer to town
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
because transportation is a big part of affordability
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
and most of the jobs are closer to downtown
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
so the more we can increase density in town i think it also makes it more
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
affordable to be able to own a house thank you thank you sir am i missing anybody else that would like to
Chair Bill Winfield:
speak all right we will leave this public meeting open Is there anyone online?
Chair Bill Winfield:
I asked and he said no. At our next commission meeting we will have a very
spirited debate about this
Chair Bill Winfield:
very topic so please um look forward to that You noted that it'd stay open until Wednesday?
Chair Bill Winfield:
I didn't know when it would stay open on
Chair Bill Winfield:
so that is this coming Wednesday correct Wednesday the 25th at 5 p.m when you open open for written comments until Wednesday the 25th at 5 p.m
open for written comment until Wednesday the 25th at 5 p.m
Chair Bill Winfield:
Anybody wants to send in an email that doesn't
Chair Bill Winfield:
feel comfortable coming in please do so or do that in
Chair Bill Winfield:
addition to coming in and speaking either one
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right thank you and we will move on before i do the consent agenda i
believe we have Gabe... Did he?
Chair Bill Winfield:
okay so you can do that whenever we can do that whenever all right then we'll
Chair Bill Winfield:
move into the consent agenda try and get back in order here i'm
Chair Bill Winfield:
shuffling papers trying to keep order with the numbers game
Chair Bill Winfield:
so regarding the consent agenda
Chair Bill Winfield:
we will have the approval of the meeting minutes from may 20th
Chair Bill Winfield:
may 27th and june 3rd the ratification of payment of bills total bills
Chair Bill Winfield:
seven hundred and sixty eight thousand seven hundred and seventy dollars and
Chair Bill Winfield:
thirty one cents total payroll of two hundred and eighty
Chair Bill Winfield:
thousand one hundred and twenty three dollars and ninety five cents
Chair Bill Winfield:
for a grand total bills and payroll one million
Chair Bill Winfield:
forty eight thousand eight hundred and ninety four dollars and twenty six cents
Chair Bill Winfield:
c will be the ratification of local consent for spanish valley vineyards
Chair Bill Winfield:
d is ratification of local consent outer bike
Chair Bill Winfield:
e is ratification of contract for bailiff services for the seven district
Chair Bill Winfield:
court f is ratification of emergency
Chair Bill Winfield:
purchase of airport fire rescue vehicle repairs
Chair Bill Winfield:
g is accept marketing budget contribution of twenty five thousand from contour
Chair Bill Winfield:
airlines and allocate to the moab office of
Chair Bill Winfield:
tourism for air travel promotion h letter of support friends of moab folk
Chair Bill Winfield:
festival grant i award independent internal audit
Chair Bill Winfield:
services rfb to gpp analytics
Chair Bill Winfield:
j is extension of grant funding request for arroyo crossing track d paving
Chair Bill Winfield:
and k is madden media 2025 media plan and l is approval of contract for
administrative law judge.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I moved to approve the consent
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
agenda as presented and i want to remark that this may be the longest consent
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
agenda uh since i've been a commissioner.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, motion by commissioner Hadler. seconded by commissioner McCurdy all
in
Chair Bill Winfield:
favor of present agenda mr martinez
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right can you hear me yes we got it thank you
Chair Bill Winfield:
that passes unanimously and we will move on
Chair Bill Winfield:
to item number six yes fiscal year 26 invasive species
Chair Bill Winfield:
species mitigation ism grant award contract utah department of agricultural
Chair Bill Winfield:
and food udaf grand county noxious weeds department
Chair Bill Winfield:
dizzy thank you and thank you for patiently waiting back there through all No worries, It's very interesting. um hi everybody i'm Izzi with the Grand
county noxious weeds department um well review on this grant um it's an
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
interest term that i apply for every year and it was a big variety of projects
in
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
grand county um maybe the most visible project is
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
our giant red and grass removal project where we remove
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
our property and the one that we're about to start on
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
you go ahead remove a project where we do where we remove go-heads all
throughout
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
public areas and well that's the state but ...
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
There is not a recommended motion but i could make it
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
uh i'd like to accept the fiscal year 26
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
invasive species ism grant award contract does that sum it up sure if you want to mention maybe the dollar amount there
the award of sixty six thousand seven hundred dollars with no match required
all right motion by commissioner mccurdy seconded by commissioner hadler
Chair Bill Winfield:
all in favor oh excuse me any discussion sorry to rush that
Chair Bill Winfield:
sure Jacques.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Goathead removal - the greatest thing on this whole agenda
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
all right one of the banes of my existence with it with the
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
shed full of bicycles and kids Did you have something? Mike?
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
okay really quick sure go ahead and we appreciate you being here i think we
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
could have put this on our even longer consent
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
consent agenda but we would like to let us see your
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
face and show your appreciation for bringing these grants thank you for All right so i will call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
on that item all in favor hi thank you that passes unanimously
Chair Bill Winfield:
and we will move on then to
Chair Bill Winfield:
the community wildfire defense grant cooperative agreement between rim to rim
Chair Bill Winfield:
restoration and grand county noxious weeds department this
Chair Bill Winfield:
looks like Izzi again with Kara for backup um it's gonna be good and then for us back here
Grand County Noxious Weeds Department Elizabeth "Izzi" Weimholt:
I have some handouts they're just like swag, thank you Kara.
Grand County Noxious Weeds Department Elizabeth "Izzi" Weimholt:
There's stickers and more information on this program um
Is it the sparkly goathead sticker? oh that's okay
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I already have one um but yeah so this is a really awesome grant that um
rim to rim restoration and it's a five-year
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
grant of a total or a $75,000 i've recovered
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
and the big part of this grant is that we will have funding for a brand new
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
position within my department um that focuses on fire
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
fuels mitigation and (unclear) . They're very intertwined.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
it's they're very interesting all right melodie okay i'll make a motion to
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
approve the community wildfire defense grant cooperative agreement between
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
dramatic restoration and grand county noxious weeds department in the
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
ward of 375 000 over a five-year period now i'm I'll second that.
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right motion by commissioner mccandless seconded by commissioner heden do
we have any
Chair Bill Winfield:
comment all right so seeing that i'll call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
all in favor
Chair Bill Winfield:
that passes unanimously thank you Izzi.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
It's six to zero with commissioner McCurdy absent Oh, yes, six to zero with Commissioner McCurdy absent. Thank you, county
attorney.
Chair Bill Winfield:
hanging in for a very short five minutes there
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right we will move on to item number eight
Chair Bill Winfield:
which is a bid award for courthouse h mac replacement this
Chair Bill Winfield:
cell is steven bvowles and possibly sean representing Shawn but i worked with him through this so i'm Steven Vowles
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
finance officer i was a returned officer in his bid
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
uh and it is about uh a nature back system replacement for this building right
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
here in fact it's starting to feel a little more
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
yes that's probably gonna depend on um actually so
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
a bid was submitted we received six responses
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
we narrowed it down to three and then from that three we narrowed it down
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
to the lowest cost provider cci mechanical that's we're
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
recommending and we actually went back and validated
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
that the quality of the materials and service
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
and everything was was even and uh this was the low cost leader
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
um they're out of saint george uh now this
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
the cost of this the bid the bid came in at
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
101 150 but sean did tell me he wants to put an optional six thousand dollars
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
what's called cooler guards so the actual contract may may go up
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
to 107 108 uh but it's 89,541 is covered by insurance
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
so there's going to be 20,000 out of pocket for
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
for us and it's also important to mention that these
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
this cost of this was on the pre-authorized list and it was approved it
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
was budgeted but under our budget scrutiny we're
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
you know presenting it again for your attention
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
so again just to summarize hvac replacement we want to get it
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
approved as soon as possible we all know why
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
um total cost of a hundred six thousand dollars of which uh would they say eighty nine thousand five hundred...
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'd move to award the courthouse hvac bid to cci
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
mechanical and to execute the associated contract once approved by legal
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
if it has not already been completed all right motion by commissioner hadler seconded by
Chair Bill Winfield:
commissioner mccurdy any further discussion or questions yes Was the was the insurance related to the hailstorm last year?
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
i believe yes and then they called and the guards that you discussed earlier that might be
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
an extra six thousand, that's to prevent that cool thank you all right seeing no further questions i will call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
those in favor of the hvac
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right that passes six to zero with commissioner hadine
Chair Bill Winfield:
absent and i will jump to number 11 which is
Chair Bill Winfield:
approval of the chems coda associates where in
Chair Bill Winfield:
and then save contract cruises for on-call county building inspections Since I'm here I'll stay here since I helped her
and for kind of background whenever whenever we get through this item
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and i think if the commission wants to vote on it we'll just ask for
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
my office to be able to review it before it gets signed um so this went to bid it was sent back there was a meeting
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
involving steve bill bill quinn and mark and they chose
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
shums coda as our contract service provider for building
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
inspection services there's been a number of readings on this
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
this contract will involve and adjusting how our fee schedule is
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um how our fee schedule is structured what are
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the evaluation associated with our fee schedule
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
it will change that slightly in order to come
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
closer to what is the standard across the state
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
for fees being charged for building inspection services
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
everyone seems really happy with shums coda we have gone back and forth on
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
some negotiations and the scope of work that's presented
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
in the packet for one that we would like to
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
push forward i have a motion here because i realized that this was a
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
discussion item that got moved to an action item because we need this to have
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
them quickly so i do have a motion um that i could
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
hand to someone if they want to make it open thank you chris uh i moved to approve the contract for shums coda as
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
presented and authorized the chair to sign all documents upon
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
completion of legal all right motion by commissioner hattler i'll second second by commissioner mccandless do we have any discussion on
this item um i've just had a few constituents
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
reach out to me and and just want kind of a brief history of like
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
how do we get to this place if you don't mind and maybe you can or maybe
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
mark anybody just how did we get her i definitely had
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
you know people reaching out and they're like
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
what's happened so you know to the best of our ability just to snippet yeah from everything that we learned there are a lot of
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
localities in the state that are going to third party
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
it's more and more difficult for local entities
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
to have those trained to be able to provide those services
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
um with that said i personally would like for us not to write that off at this
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
point okay to hopefully shums coda it's as we
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
bridge this transitional period uh but i would hope that we could look
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
for and and obtain somebody that okay that
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
has the skill to do that to keep that service okay great local yeah i appreciate that thank you yes melod so we are going to continue to
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
leave those job description those jobs that are
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
open to county or after yes and that's what i would like to do What was the, what was the
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
timeliness and the fault on this just out of curiosity
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
meaning what you said that this this was an open discussion item to begin with
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
then they moved to an action items, so?
Indistinct:
So there is currently no...um we have Corey filling in as building inspector
right um there are certain codes that require um building inspections to happen in a
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
certain period with him just filling in part time
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um this contract will allow us to get those inspections done
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
quicker right now i have um Lisa sort of administering our current
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
process but allowing her to be able to schedule those with people outside of
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
cori's limited availability student help and just a little bit of the background on that because of where we found
Chair Bill Winfield:
ourselves without a building inspector um we lost Bill and then Corey went to
work
Chair Bill Winfield:
for san juan county he has agreed to work his first 40 hours in san juan
Chair Bill Winfield:
county and then in the first three days of the week and then come down here and
Chair Bill Winfield:
help us and i think he's even spent some
Chair Bill Winfield:
saturday time down here so he's he's going above and beyond to help us out of
Chair Bill Winfield:
the situation here and this will help alleviate
Chair Bill Winfield:
maybe get him a day off great all right any further discussion i do have a i do have a friend that's getting her building inspecting
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
i don't know if that's certification i think that's cool i just like what a
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
great idea that's exactly a need Without a doubt. All right so any further discussion?
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right seeing none i will call for a vote those in favor
Chair Bill Winfield:
of the motion why that passes unanimously with everyone
Chair Bill Winfield:
present all right if we will move back to number 10
Chair Bill Winfield:
which is the approval of the 2025 certified
Chair Bill Winfield:
tax rate and is this the one we needed to call chris on
no this is a big one and this is the state figures this out for us
it's in the packet let me um this is calculated it's a certified rate revenue
divided by a certified tax rate value equals our certified tax rate
for the year that's 20 times three so we've been in all operations it's
point zero zero one three three two for the library it's point zero zero zero
four two six i i can probably answer some questions on it but
it's kind of we just kind of
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Is it like a rubber stamp?
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
In the recommended motion it says 2023 grand county certified tax rates. It does mean 2025?
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
it does mean 2025. The next part of this—
yes next part of this to the other attachment grand pt 693 2025
so form pt 693 is the form that we submit to the state that
provides our tax rate and that does have the correct date on it
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
okay very good i'd like to make the motion i
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
move to approve the final 2025 grand county certified tax rates
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
as presented on proposed forms pt dash
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
693 2025 for grand county operations library and assessing and collecting all right motion by commissioner mccurdy second by commissioner mcgan
Chair Bill Winfield:
any further discussion or questions Melody.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
do we know if this is an increase from last year or it's the south tax it was
So this is our tax rate
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
so property tax rate our property tax rate and so is it increasing
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
from last year the same or just as what we collect for the state we have an
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
increase in the long time i have that pulled up on my desktop
sorry i want to answer i think it represents a slight deduction in the
property tax rate and a slight increase in the library tax rate
okay but it is on my desktop i'd have to look to confirm that
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
then that's fine i mean the numbers seem right around there but i'm just
curious how what exactly was okay okay anyone else
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right doesn't look like it so i will call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
on the property let's see it's grooville of the 2025
Chair Bill Winfield:
certified tax rates all in favor
Chair Bill Winfield:
the house is unanimously thank you everybody and we will move on to
Chair Bill Winfield:
number 12 which is the adoption of the grand county
Chair Bill Winfield:
privacy policy and i believe this is mr tyner yes sir the passage of house bill 444 requires a privacy policy to be
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
implemented this policy details how the county
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
will gather treat and safeguard information okay mike i'd like to make motion i move to adopt the privacy policy as presented
all right motion by commissioner mccurdy second by commissioner hattler any
Chair Bill Winfield:
further discussion seeing none i will call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
on the grand county privacy policy all in favor
Chair Bill Winfield:
aye all right unanimously we move on then to
Chair Bill Winfield:
number 13 designation of privacy policy chief
Chair Bill Winfield:
administrative officer this is mark again because i believe
Chair Bill Winfield:
matt is out of town and i'll tag in on this one just for the commission's information under the hb444
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
there's a mandate that we have to appoint an individual to be the grand
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
county uh privacy policy chief administrative
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
officer um it's the job that somebody will have to oversee
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and they'll be registered with with doors and listed on our website as
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
contact for privacy related questions one note
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and one kind of point of thought this is another way to get
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
information so somebody can do it's not it's
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
it's not a new grandma system for government records acts the
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
management act but it'll be a new way for somebody
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to contact grand county and say hey what information do you have about me and
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
what information did you come collect about me
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
so we have to have somebody that's going to be the uh
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
chief administrative officer for that policy and they'll be the point of
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
contact for those complaints oftentimes the most frequent complaint
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
currently is you don't have a privacy policy
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
so that's what they're dealing with there's also a state
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
website and i'm trying to recall the website
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
it's like utah privacy.com i'm trying to recall exactly what it is
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
oh it's uh i'll get here in a second but anyways there's a lot of information
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and there they'll collect data and information about different
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
um public bodies government entities and things that are collecting
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that information and it's privacy.utah.gov
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
so if you're interested in that you can log on and see the different policy
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
violations or the complaints that people have made about different
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
great groups and i guess one for example is somebody had complained that back
in
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
2016 an entity didn't take a take down a
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
school book you're a photo of someone so those are the types of
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
things that individuals can write a complaint in as somebody
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
collecting story and maintaining data.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Commissioner McCurdian.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I'd like to make motion i move to approve a move to appoint IT Director Matt
Cinesaros as the Grand County Privacy Policy Chief Administrative Officer.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Motion by Commissioner McCurdy, seconded by Commissioner Hadler.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Any further discussion?
Chair Bill Winfield:
Yes Mike.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Sorry to make it work more.
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
All right, all right, yes you don't have anything else to do.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, anything else?
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, seeing no further discussion i'll call for a vote on the Privacy
Policy Chief Administrative Officer.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All those in favor?
Chair Bill Winfield:
Aye.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Aye.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Mary was that a yes?
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Oh i'm sorry yes.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Just checking.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right that passes unanimously.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Thank you and we i believe that we are caught up with all of the mismatch up to
this point so with the exception of item two.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Item two what did?
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
They for the update on the external audit.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I don't know that we ever received a presentation.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We never received any of them.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Correct and that's why i just wanted to note it for everything.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Who did miss two?
Chair Bill Winfield:
You're correct.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right we will move on to number 14 amending the Molybdenum Advisory Board
bylaws on voting members.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I do know the city represents many of the businesses in this community and i
look forward to working with them and reinstating a positive economy for all in
Grand County and i think that this is a good start between Grand County and the
city of Moab to work towards changing our economy.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Mike did i see your hand up?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I'm going to make it can i just interject for a second?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
This actually has to do with i don't think it's right that a person has their
hand raised long before we've even had any kind of discussion and then that's
immediately who we go to.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I could just talk over people too.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Well i'm it's getting old you know it's getting old.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
So is talking over.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Yeah i i would agree that the hand up is the order that we'll go with and we'll
go to Jacques after Mike so and then come back to you Trish.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I'm sitting on i've moved to approve to amend the Moab Tourism Advisory Board
bylaws voting members in following board in following board recommendations.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I don't have those board recommendations.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Second that motion.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Looking for the there there are a number of items that are attached to item
number 14.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Following the MTAB bylaws draft for approval 6.17.25-2.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right motion by Commissioner McCurdy.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Second.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'll second that motion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
By Commissioner Martinez and then Jacques I believe you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I think so.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We'll open that comment and we'll go to Jacques.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
All right this thanks.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
This is i think we all watched that that meeting we we've heard from some very
involved citizens here tonight who made excellent points.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
First off i want to say that i think the city deserves a spot.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
The hundred percent in favor of the city getting a spot.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
There's absolutely nothing that says we need to kick the Chamber of Commerce
off of this board to give the city that position.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
There's plenty of other options out there.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think it was was Irani that that mentioned three other decisions.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think there's there's many more than that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
We could do we could increase the number of people on the board by one.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
We could increase it by two.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
We could we we could remove somebody else from the board.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean i'm very much in favor of CNHA but why be a chamber over CNHA?
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'm in full support of the chamber.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I was the representative.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I was the liaison from the commission to the chamber for four years.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
That body as Jason Taylor said does a great job of representing businesses in
the area.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
An excellent job.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think Teresa King put it very well when she said personalities were involved.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think that's completely undeniable.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
The optics of this are terrible.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I personally think that we should send it back to MTAB to get a better
discussion and a better solution.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think that if you look at that meeting that this was done very poorly, the
discussion wasn't there.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
There could have been a million ways they could have done this better and they
didn't handle it well at all and I 100% don't support this.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
If you listen to the people who spoke today, Ronnie and Cora and Councilman
Taylor and Teresa King, all those are folks with very viable opinions and they
said it as well or better than I could.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Definitely not in favor of this.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, Bruce.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I do want us to think about how we run these meetings.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Mike, I really think the world of you, but you sit there like this.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I do want to state that I do apologize for interrupting you.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I apologize for that.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
But if we are going to run an organized meeting, then let's get through the
chair's description of it or whomever is presenting and then we can have an
emotion.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
But I don't think it's right if it's like the first person with their hand up
and the person just sits there the whole time like this.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I don't think it's right.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So I want you, chair, I would like you to consider that and maybe counsel to
think about it.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I'm not if I'm not.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Yeah, anyways, I just want to state that I watched this meeting also this
morning.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I was mortified, to say the least.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It is very clear.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
To me, what happened is it's to exclude the chamber is I just I don't even know
where that came from.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It was very much a move to remove Ashley, period.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And then my guess is, you know, in a year or two, we'll put the chamber back
on.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And when I looked at the mission of a chamber of commerce, it says, you know,
businesses working to to gather to improve the economic well-being of a
community.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So how would we ever want to remove that position from that board?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's it's it's ludicrous to me.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I think again, just as Jock said, we had numerous a handful of people that
spoke to the relevancy of having the chamber as an as a member.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I would for me, I would like to see I don't even know if I'd send it back
without guardrails.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I might send it back and say you have nine members and work that out.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I understand not wanting to have an even number.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I appreciate that.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
But to accept this as is, I think the optics are beyond horrible.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And those who vote for it need to get ready to have some repercussions of those
types of optics.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's just wrong.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's absolutely wrong.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Next, and then Mary, then Melodie.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Yes, I agree.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I agree with Trish that I think it's best when many board members have an
opportunity to make motion.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I think that's why I've looked over a couple of times thinking, well, I'll make
a motion, but somebody, you know, I know it's it's, you know, so that when you
read the minutes, it appears like as though most people here are asleep.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
So I really uncomfortable with that.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I am also very uncomfortable with removing the chamber.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
We have Keith Hill, Rarni Schultz, Cora Phillips, and Theresa King, all very
outstanding citizens in this community.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And they also very passionately and very with good points that this is not a
good thing to do to remove somebody that has a position from this onset from the
beginning of this board being created was a voting member.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And for no legitimate reason, no reason was even spoken other than they didn't
want to have an odd, you know, an even number decided, this is the member, this
is the organization that loses its voting power.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I mean, there was zero discussion, I watched the media.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
There was, I mean, you know, it was just almost railroaded through.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And I do think it was personality.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And I don't think anyone, you know, you could deny it, but it's going, I think
the community recognizes it.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
So I think, I think to send it back and say, figure something out whether it's
eight members or you get another ninth member or whatever you do, you know, the
chamber deserves to be represented.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, Mike, Melody, and then Brian has got his hand up.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I lost six weeks ago.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Mike, listen to your boards.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Four weeks ago, Mike, listen to your boards.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Two weeks ago, Mike, listen to your boards.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
This week, don't listen to your boards.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
That's what I got from Mike.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Gears here.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Fire away.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I'll listen to my board this time.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Melodie and then Brian.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So I watched this meeting, like the day after it happened.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I what what's really hard for me is that the power went out or whatever
happens, I feel like what Rarni said.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so we didn't get the discussion because that's what I was curious about
because I had heard, you know, about the meeting.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so I watched it.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I feel like we're missing a chunk of the discussion or there's no
discussion.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I would, you know, I'd like to see them why they, you know, why they came
up with this decision because it is a big deal.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I mean, the chamber has been on there for a long time.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I don't know what the best solution is.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I haven't attempted to send back to them as well.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
But the thing about is that for me is that they are really busy for and they
have a lot to get done.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so sending it back to them just creates more work on them.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I think they have really important work to do.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I don't know what the solution going forward is.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I think it's a challenging spot to be you kick off a different member.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
It's just a challenge.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
But I don't know.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I don't know.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I've talked to a lot of people in the community as well about it.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I think that that it's really it's a really hard situation to be in.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I think that nine is a lot to can we have nine voting members and still have a
four or four.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
You know, is that something that could happen?
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
No.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so when you try to get these really busy people together to have a meeting,
you know, nine is a lot.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Eight is unacceptable, in my opinion, because that just creates an equal vote.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So I'm just I'm struggling with this one as far as what's the right thing to
do.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Commissioner Martinez.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Yeah, I'll just keep it quick.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I was at that meeting.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And, you know, I just want to address a couple of things that have been said.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
So first off, there is no excluding of the chamber.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
The chamber is still welcomed.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I believe that everyone said that they recognize their valuable input that the
chamber provides.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
We are simply transferring.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
It looked like the chamber's position and the city's position.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
They're just they're just flopping over right there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
There is no removal of a position as Trish and Mary had mentioned right there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Also, the idea that there was no discussion there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
There did seem like there was discussion based on it.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And when we looked at it on a seven board member, right, the only position that
was not required to be there was the chamber position.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
All other six of the positions are required by the statute to go there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And I actually ended up reading the statute for everybody.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And we kind of went through and we're looking at the names and who was required
to be there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
So I don't believe that's true.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
But I also do want to second what Bill had said.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
You know, I'm very excited to see the city on board.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I think this will be a great opportunity for us to start working together to
start rebuilding our economy.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'm going to go to the county attorney and then Jacques and then Trish.
Chair Bill Winfield:
A couple things to note.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So during the meeting, one of the employees who was running the meeting, I
don't know what happened, but they clicked something and it shut off.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
The second that happened, I was in the room.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I told everybody to not talk.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
We can't talk about anything that happens whenever those things go offline.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I think we grabbed.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
That's the one that came back.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Right.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
It came up.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
We grabbed Quinn
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Quinn came in.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
They got it back online.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Our question.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Then there was hardly any discussion.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So what had happened there, I pushed back a little bit on the discussion issue.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
There was an alternative vote that didn't get a second.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I know that's uncomfortable.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I note a couple things for the commission.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
This is a minimum five member.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And this is you're in section 1731A.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
In that we have to have a majority member majority members that are in one of
the recipients of tax TRT or TRCCA.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Additionally, the balance to board members shall be employees.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
This is not something we've talked about before ever.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Technically, they're all supposed to be employees.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So realistically, the director probably should be the person that's on there.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I've never caught that before.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I was sitting here rereading it a number of times and it says they have to be
employees.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So it says at least two of the board's members shall be employees, recreational
facilities, convention facilities, museums, cultural attractions for other
tourism related industries located within the county.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
That's different than I think the hat that Ashley has been wearing.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
That was not a point that was brought up during the meeting.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
But I think that's just another item.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
They talked about a little bit about other things.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
There was also a discussion about the city's position on whether they have a
voting member or not.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
My position is they don't have to be a voting member.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
There is nothing in the statute that requires they are a voting member.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
The commission doesn't have to make them a voting member.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Now that's something that the city would like to have.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And I think if we read it representing the interest of the municipality, I
think it is an appointment.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And I've told the commission before I don't think it's a wise idea to tell the
city how they should do the appointment.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
But I think they get a spot.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Is there anywhere in here that says that it has to be a voting member?
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
No?
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Do I think they would like a voting member?
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yes, of course.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So we went through that.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
There was a little bit of conversation.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
There was a lot of amount of confusion as well.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I think you had different people having different things.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
We had it put up for an alternative vote for eight.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Nobody besides Ms. Kornblatt talked about that.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And I made a point to stop the meeting and say hang on, let's talk about the
substitute motion.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And the only person that lent support to that idea was Councilmember Taylor.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So I just know you are, if you're asking for them to do something different,
you should be very specific.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
But also remember, you guys create the bylaws.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
They give recommendations.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
If you guys don't like the recommendations, that's what an advisory board is.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
They give it to us.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And so the commission is well within its rights to send it back, to decide
themselves, or do any number of things.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
But I do think it's a little odd if your advisory board comes to you with
recommendation and they say we recommend having pizza tonight.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And you say no, we want Indian food tonight.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
You better recommend curry.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Like I get that.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
They've had the discussion.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Was it what you guys wanted?
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Maybe, maybe not.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
But again, they're an advisory board.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
You guys are the professionals.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
You guys have much more training experience in these issues and a fully robust
discussion.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So I'd leave that to you guys.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I'm happy to answer any questions that you guys have as well.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I know there are a few questions from the community.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I'm not going to go through all of them, but if you guys have specific
questions, happy to answer them.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Jacques, please.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Yeah, a few things.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
First off, a liaison is definitely not the same as a voting member.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Again, I do support the city being a voting member.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
My interpretation of the new code 456 is that they should be a voting member,
but that's just my interpretation.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
But I'm on a number of boards around the liaison.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'm on a number of boards.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'm a voting member.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And the boards that I'm a voting member have, it's a more important position.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
It's a position that has, you have, say, the position as T, the position like
Stephen brought up.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Councilman Taylor wanted to discuss that, but he was a liaison at the time and
he didn't have that right.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean, that's a huge difference.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
If he had been an actual voting member, he could have seconded that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
You could have had a better discussion.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
You might have had a different outcome.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
That's a huge difference for me.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Also, I think if you look back at this board, there haven't been, I mean, I
mean, if you wanted to do eight right now, we could do eight, see how it works
and come back with nine potentially in the future.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think nine is fine.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
If you look at quorums, you said they have difficulty making quorum.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Making a quorum with five out of nine is actually easier than making a quorum
of four of seven.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Percentage-wise, you can have four people miss the meeting and you can still
make your quorum instead of three.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So that actually, I think, would make meeting a quorum easier.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
You say the board's really busy and if we tonight decided to make it a
nine-person board, all we have to do is put out for another membership.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Jason's it's one more position to add.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
It gives better representatives to the community.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I don't see anything wrong with that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
If they're having difficulty making quorum, so you have four people there.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Having an extra person is a bonus.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
You get someone else there to have discussions with.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
That's kind of a no-brainer to me.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And the chamber just represents a much broader swath of businesses like the
gentleman, I don't know him, I think was his name.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
He said that he did, that he runs his, he just relies on the chamber for his
businesses vote.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think many, many businesses in town do that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And having a chamber there, I mean, that's why they were put on in the first
place, as Theresa said, they've been on for 40 years.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
We're going to knock them now just because we're changing this one.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
It would be just as easy for us to add an extra member.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So in line with that, I'm going to make a substitute motion that we amend the
bylaws to include the city and add one more position.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And that position be in line with the state code that that position involved an
employee of a tourism related business.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I personally think it should come from a cultural side of things.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think someone from a museum or a photo festival, or that's an area of our
community that's not represented on MTAB.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And I think that's a place that we could definitely use some help.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I would hope that they consider someone from that, but I'll make that
substitute motion.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I'll second that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Nine, nine, including including just city.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So the city's already, so that motion includes the city.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So that brings it up to eight.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And then I'm just proposing we do nine because that's a, it's a better number
to work with.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And keeping the chamber on.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Absolutely.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We've got a motion from commissioner Hadler to make the board a nine member
board with a second by commissioner had Dean and further discussion Trish.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'm really like a comment Trish.
Chair Bill Winfield:
You don't like it when Mike has his hand up ahead of time, but even after I've
given you a nod numerous times, you still like to sit over there with your hand
up and then you can reprimand me as the chair for what he's doing.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And I just think that you need to be aware also and be a little bit more
respectful rather than continue in public meetings to try and downgrade somebody
for what they're doing.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So now I'll go to your discussion at this.
Chair Bill Winfield:
That's a classic statement.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So a few things, and I appreciate the clarification as to the, the, it was
turned off and it's turned back on.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And basically what we're stating is nothing was missed.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So what I saw as far as deliberation and Michael, this is speaking to you, it
went on.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I watched it for 15 minutes.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
That was it.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So I wouldn't consider that Mike, I do greatly value boards inputs, the
planning commission, the two meetings I'm going to send you guys, you're not
going to like it because each one is a couple of hours.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
That to me is viable deliberation.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
There wasn't deliberation.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It was made.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
There was a little Stephen did and I wrote that down Stephen that you kind of
interjected like, Hey, because they literally tried to push that vote right
away.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And there was a substitute motion on the table and they tried to just dismiss
it and Stephen had to stop it.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So I appreciate you stating that.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So there was not to me deliberation.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And then Stephen, I appreciate your comment about people seem kind of confused.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So that to me states that there wasn't really vibrant understanding as to what
was going on.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So I hope that more than just a few of us are going to vote for the substitute
motion that will allow that board to retain the chamber and also add.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I like the idea of cultural.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I noticed that in the, in the verbiage of the legislation, that it can be
somebody from a cultural aspect.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I think that would be great.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So all right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Do we have any others that want to add to this discussion before we vote on the
substitute motion?
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Seeing none, I will call for a vote on the substitute motion to make the Moab
office of tourism board and nine member board, those in favor, including the
city, including the city and keeping, keeping the chamber on and keeping the
chamber on.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So that's a voting member.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So that is a four, both those opposed.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Nay.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So that passes four to three with Martinez against Commissioner McCurdy and
Commissioner Winfield, myself, against that substitute motion.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
So moving on, if someone else and raised, Mary, I read the next point.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I was going to put my hand up...
Chair Bill Winfield:
Very good.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So we will move on to number 15, appoint a board member to the Echo Canyon
preliminary municipality.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This will go to you, Mary, if you had your finger up first.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Yes, I would like to appoint Melodie McCandless to the this appointment of the
member of the Echo Canyon preliminary municipality.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I'll second that issue.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We have a motion by commissioner McGann, a second by commissioner Hedin to
appoint Melanie McCandless to the Echo Canyon preliminary municipality.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Any further discussion?
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I just, I just wanted to comment that I, I, the reason, you know, I think this
is a good idea is because Melodie probably of all of us are sitting around this
board has shown to be more middle of the road, like, like attempt, you know,
looking at things from different ways.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I mean, she, you know, I think she has her, her, her feelings about it, but
she's able to navigate the waters of emotions and such.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
She's done a really good job on that.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And she's a hard worker.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I'm impressed with how much she works.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And I think it would be a really good representation.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Commissioner McCurdy.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Ditto.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I would ask melody if she has the capacity to take this on and would prefer to.
I hope that's good.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Well, I think it's a hard spot to fill with all the controversy in our
community around it.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So I think that, and that would be the case with any one of us get off this
position.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I think that I am middle of the road person and I, and I, and I, I would do
it.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
A little scary, but I'm aware.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I will learn a lot.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
It's just like I've been learning a lot.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So anyways, I appreciate it.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And thank you for the recommendation.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I think the other piece, is that okay if I say so?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
The other piece, it is your district.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And so to me, it makes the most sense.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's her district.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Any further discussion?
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And we will, I will call for a vote on Commissioner McCandless to be the
representative to the Echo Canyon preliminary municipality.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Those in favor?
Chair Bill Winfield:
Aye.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Passes unanimously.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We will move on to number 16.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Determined a metric for TRT Rec Film and Convention Expenditures.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This is Commissioner Martinez.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Give me just one second here.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
This came out of our discussion that we had with myself, Bill, and Jacques, and
Mr. Stocks.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And what we were trying to come up with was a metric so that we can go through
and determine if expenditures are allowed under the Rec Film and Convention
Expenditures.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I'll just go ahead and start off by making a motion.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I move to set the metric for review of TRT 2AII Rec Film and Convention
Expenditures to confirm their primary intent was to attract visitors and promote
Grand County as a destination.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And that all TRT funds expended by Grand County active trails and
transportation over the years 23, 24, and 25 be reimbursed to fund 23 from the
general fund and that the unexpected TRT balance within the park trails and Rec
Fund 47 be transferred back to fund 23.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
This work is to be completed by June 30th, 2025.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Motion by Commissioner Martinez, second by Commissioner McCurdy.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Discussion Mike.
Indistinct:
...
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
That date corresponds with the July 1st starting of the House Bill, right?
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Yeah, it corresponds with HB 456 and it also corresponds with the day that our
audit is due, our financials are due.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
So it allows us to get our financials back into compliance as requested by the
state auditor and also makes that will be compliant moving forward for HB 456
and eligible for the mitigation grants as well.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Jacques, please.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'm sorry, Brian.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I had difficulty catching the whole motion at the whole scope of it.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I just wanted to add a I wanted to run anything by Stephen, but when we talked
about this and I agree this came out of discussions from our meeting.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And when we were talking about you know, actually, Brian, if you would, do you
mind restating your motion really quick and then and then I have comment and I
apologize.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I was trying to catch that, but it's a little it's a little difficult.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Yeah, I tried to highlight the words that I thought would be the the words that
we would want to maybe discuss on this, but I'll go ahead and restate.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I moved to set the metric
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
for review of TRT 2Aii
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Rec Film Convention
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Expenditures to confirm
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
their primary intent
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
was to attract visitors
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and promote Grand
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
County as a destination
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and that all TRT funds
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
expended by the Grand
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
County Active Trails
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and Transportation
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
over the years 23, 24, and 25
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
be reimbursed to fund 23
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
from the general fund
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and that the unexpended TRT balance
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
within the park trails
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and rec fund 47
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
be transferred back to fund 23.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
This work to be completed by June 30th, 2025.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Jacques.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Okay, thanks, Brian.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I appreciate the clarification.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So the part that I would disagree with is the second part when you say all TRT
funds and the active transportation and trails department be returned.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And I think by that you mean that we are saying that every bit of TRT funding
that that department received in the last three years we wouldn't even put that
to a test.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Is that what you're getting at, Brian?
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
We just automatically those all those funds whether they might be transferred
out by somebody.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Correct.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Yeah, after the conversation that John had or we had I think that it would be
in our best interest to go ahead and just move this all aside make sure that
we're compliant and ready to go by June 30th which is approaching rapidly.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Yeah, and thank you, Brian.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I really appreciate the clarification.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'm just trying to wrap my head around that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So I would disagree with that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think the intent of developing a metric.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think there's a lot in there and we did to clarify also Stephen, Gabe, Bill,
Brian and myself had a meeting where we actually went through a lot of these
items and I think we brought them to the commission last time and we looked at
the promotional aspect of many of them.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'll just throw out an example of one being a sticker that has Discover MOAB on
it and I think that can very reasonably be argued has promotion.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
These things end up outside of the county.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
They draw, they drive visitors to Discover MOAB websites.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So I think what we're talking about here in my mind is developing a metric to
look at all of those funds.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Not just ones outside of the active transportation department but ones inside
active transportation as well and even in my mind especially those funds.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And the metric that I thought when we had the meeting between the, you know,
that I referenced earlier, I thought during that meeting we came up with a great
metric.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean we discussed a number of items.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean we came up with, I forget what the exact number was but we came up with
maybe $70,000 worth of things that we all consider promotional at the time and
then the next day Brian sent an email saying that he didn't agree with it and we
had further discussion.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
But then in the meeting Commissioner McAnlis indicated that she thought that
some of those did qualify as promotion as did I.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So I would propose, you know, I think the first part of Brian's motion in line
with developing a metric is great but I think that metric should apply evenly
across things such as the REC board and the active transportation department.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McCurdy and then Commissioner McCandless.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I really think we'll find out even more.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I'm a little worried and hesitant.
Indistinct:
I like where we're at but I would honestly like more added. The REC board...
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
The question of the REC board be finalized and the expenditures for the dates
on the expectation of that.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Also along with even in our budget talks the speaking more forward on to the
heavy fair funds et cetera along with that.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
It's a good starting point but I would like to expand on it where we're at.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McCandless.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So the fair funds and promotion.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I know that those I feel like those things —
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
They were listed in the green on that worksheet but I also, you know, watched
the audit committee and that's why I've been so busy watching everybody else's
meetings.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I don't want to have our tax funds froze again.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
You know, they are definitely
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
watching everything that we do
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and at this point in time
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
if we just want to keep on
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
finding it
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and also when they're looking at our,
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
you know, we have an audit
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
coming up that our financials
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
will do the end of the month
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and if we just fix them
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
so that we're not going to be in a position
where we have our funds frozen
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
again I mean just even Chris
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
mentioned how luckily
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
because interest rates were up
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
even with our tax frozen
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
we were still able to increase our interest
but interests are not up right now.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So having our taxes frozen and not getting any of our tax revenue from the
state is pretty scary.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I watched you guys go through it last year and I did not want to be in that
situation and so is it like $70,000?
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Probably not $470,000 of our tax rate and to come through that I'd rather come
out clean in the eyes of the state and then move forward with this matrix in the
future to set that as are these expenses fitting into our commercial funding and
use this matrix when it's the budget and just not not getting in trouble with
the state.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I mean it's it's not so I don't really want to put that money back in there but
I think that it's this wise thing to do.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'll weigh in also
Chair Bill Winfield:
in that same meeting
Chair Bill Winfield:
I believe there's been
Chair Bill Winfield:
several meetings
Chair Bill Winfield:
we've had a discussion
Chair Bill Winfield:
where the state auditor
Chair Bill Winfield:
called the county attorney
Chair Bill Winfield:
we've had discussions
Chair Bill Winfield:
where the state auditor
Chair Bill Winfield:
I honestly don't know
Chair Bill Winfield:
what Seth's position is
Chair Bill Winfield:
but he then called
Chair Bill Winfield:
also called Larson's
Chair Bill Winfield:
and it's getting pretty
Chair Bill Winfield:
concerning to me
Chair Bill Winfield:
and outside of Brian and Jacques
two different assessments of it
Chair Bill Winfield:
I had already previously discussed
Chair Bill Winfield:
with Mark and Quinn the fact that
we continue to look for ways
Chair Bill Winfield:
to justify all of this stuff
Chair Bill Winfield:
and the amount of time that we are
spending as commissioners alone
Chair Bill Winfield:
let alone the load on staff
Chair Bill Winfield:
and we've even considered
Chair Bill Winfield:
hiring a firm to come in
Chair Bill Winfield:
and go through the books
Chair Bill Winfield:
independently
Chair Bill Winfield:
I know that I think Gabe
Chair Bill Winfield:
would prefer to use somebody
Chair Bill Winfield:
that he's familiar with
Chair Bill Winfield:
we've suggested
Chair Bill Winfield:
the commission have somebody
Chair Bill Winfield:
hire somebody to come in
Chair Bill Winfield:
and do these books
Chair Bill Winfield:
and as we continue to
Chair Bill Winfield:
invest time here
Chair Bill Winfield:
and then money
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'm ready to put this
Chair Bill Winfield:
behind us
Chair Bill Winfield:
and move on to compliance
and staying away from the line
Chair Bill Winfield:
as I believe it was the state auditor
told Mr. Stocks
to get away from the line
Chair Bill Winfield:
and so I'm quite frankly
Chair Bill Winfield:
ready to be done with this
Chair Bill Winfield:
and that's my position on it
Chair Bill Winfield:
and that's why
Chair Bill Winfield:
I would support the motion
Chair Bill Winfield:
as the way it stands
Chair Bill Winfield:
to the amount of time
Chair Bill Winfield:
that we have embedded in this
Chair Bill Winfield:
is huge on all of us
Chair Bill Winfield:
so I'm supportive of the motion
Chair Bill Winfield:
the way that he has it
Chair Bill Winfield:
do we have any other discussion Trish?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Well I guess I feel
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
within the packet
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
the motion did not include
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
all of these additional layers
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and so I feel a little unprepared
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
to be honest
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
that I wasn't kind of given
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
the entire scope
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
of what we were going to do
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and again I think if we're going
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
to reimburse active trails
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
we would need to reimburse rec too
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
so I'm a little taken aback
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and I'm not sure how to deal with that
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
to me it's if we want to do
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
all of these things
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
maybe we postpone this
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
till the next meeting
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
make sure we have everything
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
fleshed out
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and we come with a motion
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
that everybody is very clear
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
as to the fiscal impact
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
very clear as to exactly
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
what we're doing
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
so that we're prepared
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and I'm not saying I disagree with you
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I just feel like we weren't
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
given all you know
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
given all the information
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
That's how I feel yeah I appreciate it
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'll go to Mike
Chair Bill Winfield:
I will comment quickly
Chair Bill Winfield:
that how could you ever be prepared
Chair Bill Winfield:
for a substitute motion
Chair Bill Winfield:
unless you had predetermined
Chair Bill Winfield:
that outside of here
Chair Bill Winfield:
so you do have to act on your feet Point of order:
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I want you know
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I'm uncomfortable with this constant
Commissioner Mary McGann:
back and forth between you and Trish
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I mean she said something
Commissioner Mary McGann:
you disagreed
Commissioner Mary McGann:
but anytime she says something
Commissioner Mary McGann:
you disagree with you go back at her
Commissioner Mary McGann:
you don't do that to Jacques
Commissioner Mary McGann:
you don't do that to me
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and I would just like to see
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that Commissioner Hedin
Commissioner Mary McGann:
could make a statement
Commissioner Mary McGann:
without a rebuttal thank you
and I think I made a very humble statement
I wasn't I wasn't combative
I made a very humble statement
I was making a statement as well
Chair Bill Winfield:
that I don't see how you could be prepared
Chair Bill Winfield:
for a substitute motion
Chair Bill Winfield:
and so Mary I appreciate your comments
Chair Bill Winfield:
we'll come around the room to Mike
Chair Bill Winfield:
I believe was next
Chair Bill Winfield:
and then Melody and then
I raised my hand
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
dangerous move
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I'll mostly agree with you
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I would have liked to see the finality
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
of where a rec board falls
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
but I also know that we don't have their audit reports
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
and this is a big step away from that line
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
hopefully that hopefully the state auditor
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
recognizes that also hopefully
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
but this is in my mind
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
this is next step
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
and there will be more coming up Melody I believe was next
Chair Bill Winfield:
and then Mary yeah and they didn't bring up
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I mean in the audit
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
he specifically said that Seth contacted him
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and told him that he needs to test the TRT spending
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
promotional spending
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and so where it pertains to trail ambassadors
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I mean that is the exact word
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
that he used in that audit report
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and so I think that going forward
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
we definitely use these rec film
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
you know this metric
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
for a rec filming convention
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and all of the different aspects
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
but for and waiting for another meeting
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
it's going to be due for July 1st
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and our financials are due on June 30th
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and I think that we'll see that fiscal impact
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
hopefully if we can pass this
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
we could see that in our budget meeting
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
we would see it very clearly
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
a better meeting on the 20th next Monday
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
when we're going to
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and then we'll have a really clear picture
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
which is something that we all need
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
to be able to go over Mary please
but they have a reason
you know
and well taken
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Melodie, it would put a crutch
Commissioner Mary McGann:
but also
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I'm concerned about
Commissioner Mary McGann:
on this agenda summary
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and in this the entire documents
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and all the attachments
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there's nowhere that it says
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there you know it even says here
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there are no associated documents
Commissioner Mary McGann:
for an agenda item
Commissioner Mary McGann:
no so it's indicating that
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there's no fiscal impact
Commissioner Mary McGann:
while really the motion that Brian made
Commissioner Mary McGann:
will have a fiscal impact
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and I feel for the public
Commissioner Mary McGann:
it's important
Commissioner Mary McGann:
especially when there's a fiscal impact
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that it is presented in the packet
Commissioner Mary McGann:
so that they can get that
Commissioner Mary McGann:
so I think it should
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I would be much more comfortable
Commissioner Mary McGann:
if we postponed it
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and had that information
Commissioner Mary McGann:
for not just us to read
Commissioner Mary McGann:
but for the entire
Commissioner Mary McGann:
of our citizens
Commissioner Mary McGann:
which are so many
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that look at our packet
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and to have it say
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that the fiscal impact
Commissioner Mary McGann:
will be this much money
Commissioner Mary McGann:
because it will be a fiscal impact Mr. McCurdy
oh I'm sorry
Chair Bill Winfield:
county attorney go ahead Just just a couple
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
The Commission can do what they would like
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
things just always a bit of advice
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
so number one
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I think if you guys
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
want to set a mandate
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
for commission administration
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
staff you know set a policy
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
have them go through that
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
investigate that
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
identify that amount
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and come back to you guys
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and say hey look
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
here's what we've come up with
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and put that out
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I think that makes sense
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
if you look at your guys
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
as agenda summary
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the last paragraph kind of gives
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and see it's the guiding principle
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
for this review
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
will be to assess
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
if the primary tenant
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
of the expenditure
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
or activity was to attract visitors
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
if you guys have a clear goal
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and then want to task
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
like the next line
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
says department heads
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
will assess whether the funds
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
received were used
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
for establishing and promoting Grand County
to this nation
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you guys want to do that
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
give that obligation
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to calm admin
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to the department heads
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to go through a review
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
scoop up all those numbers
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and give them to you I think that's
a reasonable thing to do
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but if you guys want
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to make this easier
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
on staff
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the more information
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that you guys can give
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
in the direction
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
what assistant administrator
Hall and myself
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
were speaking about is
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
there's a little bit
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
of confusion
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
are you saying
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the GCAT program generally
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
are we talking about trail ambassadors
are we talking
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
about trail maintenance
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
so cleaning up
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
some of that information
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
in the motion
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
would be really helpful
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I get it I will tell you
the way in which
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
current way of doing it
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
having a number of meetings
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
going again
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and again and again
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I don't know
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that the commission
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
is making as much progress
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
as we'd like to make
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I think probably
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
assigning and delegating
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that task
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to your commission
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
administration
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and then having
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
department heads
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
do that
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I think that's
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
going to be faster
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you guys can have
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
all the meetings
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you want to do
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but it's going to be
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
a considerable amount of time
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that's option one
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
option two
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
create a subcommittee
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
task commissioner
hattler
commissioner
Winfield
commissioner
Martinez
you got
you three have been
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
doing it before
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
my concern
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
was we're starting
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to get into the realm
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
of doing more
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
than you know
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
a couple commissioners
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
in their spare time
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
should be dealing
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
without receiving
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the full
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
ordained blessing
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
of the commission as whole
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
maybe give them
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that job
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and give them
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that power
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
or option three
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
is what we're proposing now which is
we're just going to do
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but who do you
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
want to take this task
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and I think if you talk about that
and that's fun
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but we're going to need
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to flush out a little bit more
and I think you
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
could perhaps do that
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
right now I think we talk
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
about it
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but I think door number one
door number two
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
could both work
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
again whatever you'd like
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but maybe
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
any of those options
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
might be a little bit easier
because if
commission administrator
Paul and I
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
don't know exactly what we're doing
but it's just my concern
commissioner
Martinez
yeah I think we've
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
kicked this
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
can around enough
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
jock you were there
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
bill you were there
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
when I looked through
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that through
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that list of expenditures
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I don't find
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
one single expenditure
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
where the primary intent
was to bring people
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
into grand county
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and and if there was
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I mean maybe
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
maybe I'm wrong
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
maybe there was something
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that slipped through
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
but all of those
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
was the secondary
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
outcome of
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
what was happening right there
none of the primary
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
intent was to bring
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
people into grand county
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that's why I'd
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
like the motion
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
just to stand as is
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and I'd like to call for a vote
all right so
we'll call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
then if there's
Chair Bill Winfield:
no further I mean
I think Stephen's
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
right about clarifying
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean Brian said
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
the whole active
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
transportation department
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and yet there's
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean responsible
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
as Maddie explained
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
in her presentation
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
day is very different trails program
and I think
I think that deserves
a little bit
more clarity
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I like Stephen's option one
I think this is kind of
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
what we discussed
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
to begin with
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
in that meeting
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and that is to task
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
admin and
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
artists to go through this
and I think they
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
could do a better job
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I've been on
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
the subcommittee
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
for a long time
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I've attended
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
the numerous
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean SF Bill and Brian
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
meetings in the last couple of weeks
and I think
they can do it
more efficiently
than anybody else
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and get it done with less
testimony
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and I'd support
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
results of that work We had a Commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
two talks
Chair Bill Winfield:
so let's call
Chair Bill Winfield:
for the vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
on commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
Martinez's motion
could you restate the motion
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
yeah you'll have to restate
that before
as commissioner
Martinez
because there's
no way
Chair Bill Winfield:
I could remember
Chair Bill Winfield:
the length of that all right
I moved to set
the metric
for review
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
of TRT
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to AII rec
film
and convention
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
expenditures
to confirm
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
their primary intent
was to attract
visitors
and promote
Grand County
as a destination
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and that all TRT
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to AII funds
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
expended by Grand County active trails
Chair Bill Winfield:
and transportation over the years
23,
24,
and 25
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
be reimbursed
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to fund 23
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
from the general fund and that the
unexpended TRT balance
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
within the park trails
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and rec fund 47
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
be transferred
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
back to fund 23
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
this work is to be completed
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
by June 30th 2025
Chair Bill Winfield:
and do we want
Chair Bill Winfield:
some clarification
Chair Bill Winfield:
on admin
doing this
Chair Bill Winfield:
who are we directing to do this
with your motion
Chair Bill Winfield:
commissioner Martinez I would imagine
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
it would be admin
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
okay
Chair Bill Winfield:
so call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
on commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
Martinez's motion as stated
giving admin
Chair Bill Winfield:
some direction
Chair Bill Winfield:
to repay
Chair Bill Winfield:
funds that went
Chair Bill Winfield:
to the Grand County
Chair Bill Winfield:
active trails
Chair Bill Winfield:
and transportation back to
and I don't remember
the numbers
as far as in the budget
Chair Bill Winfield:
were the what account
Chair Bill Winfield:
numbers those were
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
but I think
Chair Bill Winfield:
that we all have a good idea
Chair Bill Winfield:
of what this is about
Chair Bill Winfield:
so those in favor of Brian's motion
all in favor
Chair Bill Winfield:
commissioner Martinez
Chair Bill Winfield:
are you voting yep I
all right
so that motion
and those opposed
Chair Bill Winfield:
thank you
Chair Bill Winfield:
that motion passes
Chair Bill Winfield:
with the commissioner at the end
commissioner
Hadler and Commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
McGann opposed
Chair Bill Winfield:
we will then move on to item number
17
Chair Bill Winfield:
approve scope of work
and engagement
Chair Bill Winfield:
of the Ken C Gardner
Chair Bill Winfield:
Institute
Chair Bill Winfield:
for arches
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
timed entry
Chair Bill Winfield:
impact study
Chair Bill Winfield:
that scope of work is attached
Chair Bill Winfield:
but I'm sure that you've had
Chair Bill Winfield:
plenty of time
Chair Bill Winfield:
to look through all of those
Chair Bill Winfield:
this should be a no-brainer
Chair Bill Winfield:
and allow us to clarify
the impact
Chair Bill Winfield:
that this has been
Chair Bill Winfield:
on our county
Chair Bill Winfield:
and to put this discussion
Chair Bill Winfield:
again another one of these items
that we should be moving
Chair Bill Winfield:
on from and I believe
Chair Bill Winfield:
this study will allow
Chair Bill Winfield:
us to do that
Chair Bill Winfield:
so I will start
Chair Bill Winfield:
with some discussion
Chair Bill Winfield:
commissioner McGann
Chair Bill Winfield:
well I was going to make a motion
I move to approve
the scope of work
engagement
Chair Bill Winfield:
of the Kem C Gardner
Institute
for the arches
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
timed entry
Chair Bill Winfield:
impact study if the funds
Commissioner Mary McGann:
can be taken out
Commissioner Mary McGann:
of the promotional side of the TRT
as opposed to our
general fund
motion by commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
McGann
Chair Bill Winfield:
to pull the money
Chair Bill Winfield:
from TRT
Chair Bill Winfield:
or the scope of work
Chair Bill Winfield:
for the Kim Gardner
Chair Bill Winfield:
do we have a second I talk to Steve
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I've been in communication
Commissioner Mary McGann:
all day with Steve I mean
you know there's
lots of reasons
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
I wanted
Chair Bill Winfield:
we need a second Mary
all right
so commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
McGann made the motion
Chair Bill Winfield:
seconded by
Chair Bill Winfield:
commissioner McCandless
Chair Bill Winfield:
the reason is
Chair Bill Winfield:
first copy since I made the motion
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I could speak first
Commissioner Mary McGann:
is this is a want not a need
and and right now
Commissioner Mary McGann:
with us have spending
oh I think it was over
Commissioner Mary McGann:
a million dollars
Commissioner Mary McGann:
of un-vegetated funds
Commissioner Mary McGann:
to add another sixty thousand
to that
is is quite a bit
Commissioner Mary McGann:
when we're all
Commissioner Mary McGann:
you know when I'm hearing
Commissioner Mary McGann:
from many people
Commissioner Mary McGann:
very concerned
Commissioner Mary McGann:
about our budget and you know
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
and you know if you want to do the study
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I'm you know
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I don't know if it's necessary
Commissioner Mary McGann:
but my main concern
Commissioner Mary McGann:
is we are taking money again
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that is not in budget
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and spending it
Commissioner Mary McGann:
when we have said
Commissioner Mary McGann:
over and over and over again
Commissioner Mary McGann:
we need to take a deep picture
Commissioner Mary McGann:
we need to slow down we're you know
there is a real good chance
Commissioner Mary McGann:
we're hitting the monsoon season
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there could be some impact
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there that we're going to have
Commissioner Mary McGann:
to pull out of our general fund
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there could be emergencies
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that happen throughout the year
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that we have to come out
Commissioner Mary McGann:
of our general fund
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there will be needs
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and if there needs
Commissioner Mary McGann:
then yeah we got to go
Commissioner Mary McGann:
we have to take it out of our reserve
Commissioner Mary McGann:
but this is not a need
Commissioner Mary McGann:
not everybody in the community
Commissioner Mary McGann:
thinks it's a great idea
Commissioner Mary McGann:
it's not like you know
Commissioner Mary McGann:
everybody's cheering
Commissioner Mary McGann:
to have this done
Commissioner Mary McGann:
but if this is something
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that really wants to be done
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and I've spoken to Steven
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and that if it can come out
Commissioner Mary McGann:
of the promotional side of TRT
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I'm okay with it.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Commissioner McCurdy. Trish was first oh Commissioner Hedin, I apologize okay when was this item added? Do you guys know
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I know that the first time
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I looked at the agenda wasn't there
could you tell me
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
please know when it was added
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and it's okay
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I mean I just I just know that it wasn't in the initial
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
it was added on Wednesday it wasn't during our...
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I don't think so but okay
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
it was after it was after agenda review, but...
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
but yeah the first time
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I looked at it
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
it wasn't there
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
so okay but anyways
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
just just to kind of
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
just to kind of throw that out there
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and I again
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I think this idea
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
of pulling one little thread
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
out of a fabric
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
is really impossible
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
but maybe done
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I would actually
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
especially if we could pay for
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
out of promotion
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I would think about
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
expanding the scope
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
of this study to look at
you know
kind of overarching
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
impacts on tourism
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and then that way
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
we might come out with a product
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
there we go
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
okay
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
timed entries the factor
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
tariffs by the president
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
or a factor you know
just my opinion
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
we would get more bang
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
for our buck
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
just an idea
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and I'm not sure
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
what that would look like
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
though but
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
but just the thought
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
that that especially
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
if we can pay for it
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
with TRT
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
maybe we expand the scope
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
of the study
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
so that it would be
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
more valuable
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
to the MTAF
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
to businesses within our community etc
and so on
I think looking
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
at one small tiny factor
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
does it have a huge
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
amount of value
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
just an idea Commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
McCurdy
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
okay
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Mr. Stocks,
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
does this in any way
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
come near that gray area it's hard to say
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I mean the argument is
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that the Arches
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
reservation program
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
is impacting tourism right
that's the argument
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
then doing a study
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
on the Arches reservation system
whether you have it
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
or not have it
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
would the ultimate goal
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
be if it was adverse to the county
and adverse to tourism
and you know
requesting removal of it
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
then that would be
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
promoting tourism
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
if you found out
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that it didn't impact tourism
or impact tourism
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
then you know
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
usually immerse ourselves
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
yeah I guess you could
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
make the argument
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you reimburse yourself
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you can make a caveat like that
but I think that
but you know I mean
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
straight under promotion
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
how does it bring people
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
into the county
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
to study this well
what about
if you study this
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and say that
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
it comes out
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to a negative impact on Grand County
okay that gives you
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the ammunition to say that
that reservation system
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
shouldn't exist
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and you could promote
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
tourism by
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
advocating for its removal
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
okay but if we I mean
the flip side of the coin
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the flip side
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you might be in a
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
external fund this sure
but again
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
it's I mean
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the thing that I've spoken
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to a couple commissioners
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
at different times
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
this is this
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
this particular item
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I don't know how
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you can't say
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that this item
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
hasn't been spread far
wide promoted
talked about
through every facet
I don't know
how many newspaper articles
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
how many studies
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
all of it
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
has talked about
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
this item
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
being a massive impact
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
on this community
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
whether for
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
or against promotion
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
for this community
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I mean this has been I don't know
a single topic
that has been
communicated
and talked about
more
promoted
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
or loved
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
or hated more
than this topic
in this community
that's it
yeah I think
this is something
that is supposed
...
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'm going to go
Chair Bill Winfield:
to Commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
Hadler and then
Commissioner Martinez
Chair Bill Winfield:
and back
Chair Bill Winfield:
to Commissioner McGahn
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
so in line
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
with what Trish said
I got a call
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
from the Mayor yesterday
who said
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
she's reached out
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
to a few of you also
and she said
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
the city would be
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
more than willing
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
to pay for half
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
of the scope of the study
if they expanded
the study
to look at
overall impacts
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
on our tours
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
of numbers over the last
couple of years
you know
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
it might
Commissioner Mary McGann:
the study might cost
a little bit more
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
it might
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
you know I'm just
throwing random
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
numbers out there
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
it might raise the price
to 80,000
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
60,000
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
but if the city
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
picks up 40 of that then
then we're still
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
saving money on that
and she said
that they
would be very
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
supportive of that
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
and want
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and would like to help
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
understand
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
overall
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
impacts
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
on tourism from
every angle
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
not not just the park
but including the park
I think
that is a generous
offer
I think it would
be great
to partner
with the city
another
another avenue
that we have
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
to work
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
with them on something
that affects
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
all of us
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and it could
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
lower the price
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
tag of this
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and give us a
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
better economic
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
viewpoint of
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
what's going on.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner Martinez Thank you, Bill.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
So, yeah, I don't think that working with the city or working with the NPS or
working with the state is a good idea.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
There's one simple question that we want to have answered and that is what is
the impact that ARCHES reservation system is having on the county.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Mary had the white paper that she wanted to put inside there and one thing
about the white paper that was in there is that data right there only considered
six months of data.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Now we have three years of post implementation that we can actually study and I
think that Kim C Gardner will do a great job.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I looked at the scope and I think that it's spot on.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Second, the white paper, that was done by the RRC and I don't think that that
was a peer reviewed study.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I think that that was just that was just that was just put out by that company
right there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
It's not a it's not a peer reviewed study as Trish was talking about earlier.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
This Kim C Gardner will be a peer reviewed study and I think that it'll be
it'll be what we're looking for.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Now as far as does it fall within the TRT promotion?
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Once again, I think that you're going to be riding that line right there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
The idea you know and I thought about this too is you know you look at you look
at our media plan that just got presented.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
There's a good portion of that media plan that is for data, data collection,
data services, which informs your advertising.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Will this inform our advertising?
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I think that's the question that we need to ask.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
So will the will the data or will the answer to this question right here inform
our advertising?
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And if we all decide that it is then I think that it would be a valid use of
the TRT promotion.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
But if it's not to inform our advertising then I would disagree with it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, I know Commissioner McGann was next but Mary you've already weighed
in with people in mind.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Let's let Melody go.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
That would be appropriate.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So I do think that if we keep it as just a specific arches reservation system
it fits in that line of being able to use it for promotion.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
If we add in the scope that the city's been wanting then I think it's going to
be straight out of our general fund because it's a bigger scope.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So we can leave it as reservation system which is what we the answer that we're
looking for is yes or no.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
You know, is the reservation system affecting the economy?
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
If so, there's something that we can do about it.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
If not, then all of those other things are going to be the reason why.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And there really nothing we can do about all of those other things.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
You know, but we could.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
The tariffs, the inflation, the recession.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Is there more people coming to Moab?
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Well, ultimately if there's not all people but I know that a lot of times when
I talk about how my customers are down in sales which is dramatic.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Then I get told there's a bigger piece of the pie.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so if there was a bigger piece of the pie and more people still coming then
our tax revenue would not be declining.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And that's the big issue is we have tax revenue declining.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
We have individual businesses revenue declining.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I mean it's June 17th and I have customers that are telling me that they're
$20,000 down in sales this year or last year's June.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
They're laying off people.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
They're letting people go.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
They're not working.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
These are big issues in our community.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so that's really where I come to.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I look at all of this and that's where I go back to the people that I represent
and that's our community and they are hurting and we need to figure out the root
cause.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so I do think that if we realize that the arches reservation system has been
an impact and we can use TRT funds.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And if we find out that it's opposite and we have to reimburse those TRT funds
from our general fund, I think that could be a caveat of the motion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, Mary.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Please again and then I'm going away in a little bit.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Stephen, I have some questions for you.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I mean, to me, if it comes back that it isn't impacting our revenue.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Well, then we have that data to help us move forward what, you know, how are we
going to, you know, change the way, you know, maybe we're going to have to do
more tweaking with our advertising.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Maybe we're going to have to figure out some other way but it would take that
off that, you know, so I don't see why we would have to reimburse it but that's
something we could decide off.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Sure, you could revisit the item as well.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
You didn't either make them in the motion to make it a caveat or you could
revisit this after the study's completely concluded.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I mean, this is like any of the data, data mining that Brian referenced too.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Sometimes you want to know the correlation.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I guess for my motion, like I said before, you know, we're getting ready to do
a budget amendment and a budget thing really quite soon when we look at
everything and we see where we're at.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Well, if that's the case, you know, I don't see the hurry of this because I
think it should be part of a whole but I'm really concerned if we were there
that story about our finances that we are paying for a want and not a need.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
When we have told our own department heads know the things that they say they
would really make their jobs easier.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
We did that during the budget season, budget time.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
So I'm just not at all comfortable paying for this out of our general fund at
this time.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And if we wanted to go and look at everything and then put it in the in our
workshop, I'm okay.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
But I'm not okay to say to not use spend the money without it being from the
promotion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
But the motion was made that you will approve this item if it fits into
promotion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay, I'm Brian.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I see your hands up and I'll get to you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Let me weigh in just a little bit and Mary.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'm going to go against you, not just Commissioner Hedin.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So it is you as well.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This is more than a want.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This is a need.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And we're talking about the budget season here and the fact that we're denying
people things.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We're considering pickleball.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We're considering EMS. We're considering all kinds of things.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And the reason that we're in this pickle, no pun intended, is because of the
fact that our revenues are down by nearly $3 million a year.
Chair Bill Winfield:
When you go through this, Grand County is almost in a recession.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This is a need to be able to answer this question and to move forward with it
because you can build a lot of pickleballs, courts, with the money that would be
coming in here.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This is, and again, I say it, this is a no-brainer.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We should all want clarity on this situation so that we can move forward.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And so I'm in favor of the motion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'm in favor of moving this forward.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This reservation system is another item, just like the TRT money that needs to
be put to bed and move on so that we can go on with some other issues within
this county.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And I want to talk real quick a little bit about the idea of expanding and
partnering.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I would not be interested in any way, shape, or form partnering with the state
or the city.
Chair Bill Winfield:
The more people that get their fingers in this, the more diluted the study will
be and then the more useless the study will be.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And so expanding it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
No, it's just a very simple.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Is this affecting our economy?
Chair Bill Winfield:
Because our economy is in a huge negative.
Chair Bill Winfield:
How do we move forward and get out of that?
Chair Bill Winfield:
Is part of that this?
Chair Bill Winfield:
And somebody mentioned, who in a way, I think it was a county attorney with the
reservation system.
Chair Bill Winfield:
That's never been proposed.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We ask that the reservation system just not be made permanent because it still
needs to be.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We are seeing numbers out at Arches where we're at 2015 numbers this year.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Dead Horse Point is doing a great job of competing with Arches now with two
parking lots.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So there's a huge need here and expanding.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I don't know.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We just want a simple answer.
Chair Bill Winfield:
What is this doing to our economy?
Chair Bill Winfield:
And let's move forward with whatever the answer is because I'm willing to
accept that answer.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And I think that that's what we all need to be looking for.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And so Commissioner Martinez and then I think there's some others.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Yeah, thanks.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Go ahead.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Motion and state that I'll move to approve the Kem C Gardener study being paid
out of promotional TRT funds with the caveat that it be reimbursed if the study
comes back that there is no impact.
Chair Bill Winfield:
But basically the same motion is just clarifying the repayment of TRT.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Well, I think we should let our county attorney have the opportunity to study
it before the other way it's open-ended the other way.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So dealing with the motion there's a couple different flavors.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
You can move the motion to amend the previous motion or you could offer or
substitute motion.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So the motion was made, right?
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
He made a substitute motion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay, so it's a substitute motion.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Let me just hear that first part of it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay, so it's a substitute motion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
It's the same, but we make sure it's paid for regardless.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I second that.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So motion by Commissioner Martinez seconded by a substitute motion by
Commissioner Martinez seconded by Commissioner McCurdy.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Further discussion?
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'm still against that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think if it is such a if it is a need and not a want I think a broader study
would be more useful.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And I think it's still a price tag.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean, sure, it'd be great to pay for it at a TRT.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
But again, I don't know how close to the line we are.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
This is such a politically fraught topic.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
But I just I'm going to vote against it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McCurdy and then Commissioner McAnlis.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I hate that we delay this long just in talking back and forth.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
The study should be done.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
We could be moving on.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McAnlis.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Ron, I just wanted to speak to your what you said, Jacques, about being a
politically motivated thing.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I believe that all of us on this board would want or commission would want our
economy to grow.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I mean, if we don't grow, then we don't have money.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Wait, I'm talking.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I'm just curious.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I sometimes wonder where you guys stand on tourism.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I would love to hear if you guys want to kill tourism because that's certainly
what it looks like our community is in right now.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Or if you are for tourism.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I know that Jacques and I have had meetings and coffee and you said I'm
pro-tourism, but when it comes down to the votes, not always does it look like
that.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So yes, I'm pro-tourism.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Yes, I'm pro quality of life for this community and people being able to
survive here and all of the different aspects, whether it be housing.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
That's some of the, just curious about tourism and where you stand on it.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think my statement, when I said it was political, I meant the TRT
interpretation.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I didn't mean to be honest.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Yeah, no, I didn't comment for us well, but that is exactly what I know.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I didn't mean that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I didn't mean to spend the TRT motion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner Hadeem.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I'm not going to vote for this and it has nothing to do with whether I support
tourism or not.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It has to do with, I don't think this study is going to tell us enough.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Again, I think if we expanded it, we work with the city, we say, oh, is it the
quality of our public lands?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Is it, you know, then we'd have more value and we have spent almost 1.2 million
dollars over 2025 budget.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I've never, I've been on this commission now this is the fifth year.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We've never been in this position before.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So to me, it's like somebody standing on my chest.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We just keep spending money and it's at a certain point.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We've got to stop, pull on the reins, evaluate where we're at again, to wait
this out for a month or two and to go, let's evaluate where we're at fiscally
then make some moves.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We got to stop spending money at a certain point.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's out of budget.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We have to.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner Martinez, and then I'm going to call for a vote on this one.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Perfect.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I just thought that there's two things that we really need to be doing.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
One of them, yes, is we need to start tightening our belt and watch that bottom
line.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
But the other thing that we need to do is we need to start grilling that top
line.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And Arches is our number one attraction.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I think that, I think we really need to look into this.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I will call for a vote on the substitute motion by Commissioner Martinez,
seconded by Commissioner McCurdy to pay for the Kem C. Gardner study and
reimburse with general funds if it proves that it does not meet the criteria or
TRT.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So those in favor of this motion substitute motion by Commissioner Martinez.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Aye.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Those opposed.
Chair Bill Winfield:
The motion passes with Commissioner Hadeen, Commissioner Hadler, and
Commissioner McGann against.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And we will move on to a discussion item establishing procedure for
reassignment of county liaison midterm.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I just want to make this really quick.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And, you know, I think we've had a long discussion over this.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I don't want to get into it too much other than the fact that the bylaws that
were in the last packet were wrong.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So there were some, I put in the new bylaws and that being said, my
interpretation of these bylaws is that the local advisory board shall nominate
those new members.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So, and when you look at that, it says that it would be those first five
positions, which is the director.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Excuse me.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Really quick.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I have my notes, but it would be the director or so the first five, the local
director designee, the county attorney or designee, a representative of the AG's
office, at least one official from law enforcement.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And then the fifth is the county executive, which I assume, Steven, that is the
commissioner.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
It'd be the commissioner or the designee.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And so, you know, my overall point to throwing this on here is I just feel like
if we're going to do things that, in my opinion, are fairly aggressive, I think
we need to have our ducks in a row.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We needed to have the right bylaws and we needed to make sure that we were
following those bylaws and we weren't.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I don't want to change it.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I think that we're all good where it sits now that Bill is taking that
position.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I will note that that meeting where the chair and the vice chair were
appointed, the vice chair actually wasn't at that meeting.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
When you look at them, I did attach those minutes also.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
She was notified before the October meeting.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And so I appreciate all that.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I don't think anybody's debating any of that.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Again, I just want to make sure that we do things appropriately.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We're using the right bylaws and we're keeping our ducks in a row.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And then my final statement is I also feel like these kind of actions are just
a waste of our time.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's a waste of my time.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It was a waste of your time.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It was a waste of turning to time.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's just like, it's a waste of time.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We surely have better things to do.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And where I would like to see this commission eventually go is having kind of
an overall, maybe it's a, we spend a few days together and we go, where do we
go?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
What do we believe in?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
What do we want to see in this county?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We get some overall visioning and we start moving in a direction.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I feel like right now we're just like spinning our wheels, to be honest.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And we're trying to clean some stuff up and I think that's all great.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
But this to me is a waste of time.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
The last item.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And again, the reason I brought it up is we did not have the appropriate
documents in the last packet.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I think that, again, if we're going to do things, we need to have our ducks
in a row.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
That's it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McCandless and then Commissioner McCurdy.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I just went into motion to table this item since it should be a procedure that
a policy and procedures that a committee works through.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Oh yeah, it's not, I just wanted, it wasn't really a like, I didn't really want
to develop.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
That's all I wanted to say.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
But if you guys want to come up with a policy and procedure.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Hello, motion by Commissioner and let's the table this.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's just a discussion item.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It doesn't, it's not an action item.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It will be discussions.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
But if the discussions ended, then.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Commissioner McCurdy.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Oh, to to a motion.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
And there cannot be a discussion?
Chair Bill Winfield:
No discussion on table questions.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Oh, table it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'll talk to you later.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We will table for this.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And now I call for a vote.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We are calling for a vote on.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Whenever you've got a motion to table and you need to vote on the motion to
table.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And why do we do we have a second on that?
Chair Bill Winfield:
If you saw my say second, Mike did say it so well.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay, so a vote to table this items.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'll call for a vote.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Those in favor.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Those opposed.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
You know what, I'm abstaining.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay, so the motion passes.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Chair Bill Winfield:
One abstaining and two opposed commissioner had been in commission again with
Commissioner Hadler abstaining.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McCandless.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Now make a motion to go into closed session for pending or reasonable imminent
litigation and character professional competence or physical or mental health
eliminated.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I get you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I got both.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I use that.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
He said that I was.
Chair Bill Winfield:
In favor of pulling into closed session.
Indistinct:
Do not say it again.
Indistinct:
Even.
Okay, I will open this Grand County Commission meeting June 17, 2025 at 3.30 PM
present our Commissioner Heden, Commissioner Hadler, Commissioner McCurdy,
Commissioner McGann, Commissioner McCandless and myself, Commissioner Winfield,
and we expect to be joined by Commissioner Martinez at some point on Zoom.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And we're going to start off at the workshop here and Todd Thompson, who is the
Associate Regional Director for USU. He was going to lead us through some
exciting things that he's been doing in a position that we voted last year to
create, for the small business development center.
Indistinct:
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Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Got some amazing sound effects going on there.
Indistinct:
...
Chair Bill Winfield:
So we'll wait till we get through the sound effects of the computer.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We get it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Yep, thanks.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I thought I muted it over here.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I guess it didn't.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Well, I appreciate it.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Yeah, I know.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It was a Twilight Zone.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Something like that.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Well, I appreciate you having me come.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I met with Commissioner Winfield, I think it was a couple of weeks ago, maybe
three weeks ago, kind of talking to him about what we were doing at SBDC.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The great thing about SBDC is we have about 16 offices throughout the state.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
This is not part of my PowerPoint, but I'll just kind of give you a little bit
of a background.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the things that we are trying to do, one of the things that the state
BDC directors trying to do is trying to have all of the SBDC housed at USU
throughout the state of Utah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It'll just make it easier for us working together and making sure that we serve
all the clients that we possibly can in the state.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
My position, I think you voted on it last year, but if you weren't here, my
position is in San Juan County, and I also help out Grand County.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The way my funding is, though, I do about a 90-10 and 80-20.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I spend most of my time with individuals or people that want to open up
companies or need help with management, leadership, accounting, finances, those
type of things in Grand County.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So it's not necessarily someone who's opening up a business, it's somebody that
needs help with their business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if they need help with market research, we help with market research.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
If they want to take their company national or international, we help do a lot
of that.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so, and I'll go into a couple of examples.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I can't necessarily tell you who the companies are right now because I'm in the
process of getting them funding.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I told Commissioner Woodfield that, and I said, you got to wait on a couple of
the companies that I'm going through.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But there are a couple that have received funding from the revolving loan fund
that I can mention him and his company.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He's down on Main Street by Desert Rivers Credit Union, so I can actually talk
about him and what he's doing.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He's excited.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so we were able to put together a business plan for him and get him
funding.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I'm going to share my screen so you all can see it.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And I'll go through and tell you some of the things that we do for our clients
here in Grand County and throughout the state.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So everybody, did I share that or?
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Not yet.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Click on it again.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
There we go.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
There we go.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Let me go up here.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So this is some of the things that these are some of the services that we offer
for people here in Grand County.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I'll go through really quickly on business plans, startup assistance,
management and leadership, marketing and sales, customer relations, business
accounting and budgeting, protecting your business, business valuation, employee
management, market research, class cash flow management, government contracting,
buying and selling a business, e-commerce and international trade.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Now, I would like to say that I know every single one of these wonderfully and
beautifully and I know how to do everything.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the things that we can do with SBDC is, for example, if there's market
research, we have somebody that does market research in Salt Lake City.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if we have somebody that wants to do really intense market research, we have
somebody in our community that will work with me that will come down and meet
with that client and look at what they need market research specifically on.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So we go back and forth helping each other out and making sure that our clients
get any help.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Like, for example, I don't know if you all know, but I speak fluent Spanish.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so our clients here and I've met with clients that they only speak Spanish.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so through the Multicultural Center, they're sent up to me and I'm able to
speak with them and help them create their business plans.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the things is, is there's a lot of people that don't know how to write a
business plan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They have a great business idea.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So I have to sit there and help them write a business plan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
For a quick example on the business plan, I had I'm working with one client
right now and they don't speak English at all.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I asked her to do a business plan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I gave her a template on how to do a business plan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And she wrote me a seven sentence email.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I had to create her business plan with her and for her to help her
because she's trying to get funding.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so not only did I have to write her business plan, but I also had to write
her financials and do her financials because they have to have three years of
cash flow projections.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They have to have monthly income statements.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They have to have sales projections.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So there's certain things that a client has to have to be able to get any type
of funding.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Whether that's through a bank, whether that's through the SBA, those loans too
are through a bank or even through a micro loan fund through the state of Utah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They need to have a proper business plan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so what I'm finding is there's a lot of people that come to me that don't
know how to write a business plan at all.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I spend hours upon hours upon hours helping people write business plans.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I've got some clients I've spent 20 to 25 hours on because they don't know how
to really do any of that kind of structure.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I had a client last week that got a $3,000 grant.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's called the Wildcat Fund Grant, which we'll go through.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But I helped her get that grant, but it took us a really long time.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I mean, she had a hard time getting things up on Zoom, I mean, to give her
presentation.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So it's a lot of holding hands and making sure how they can get that money.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So there's a lot of processes that will go into it, and I'll get in there real
quick.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the things that we offer is not necessarily just here locally, but we
offer workshops that people can go to.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Hopefully, this will click on it and open it up.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Okay, there it is.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if people have questions, like, for example, if they have tax planning
questions, if they need a marketing clinic, how to start a business 101,
Facebook, Instagram ads, create and manage ads like a pro.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So they're able to go in here and register for free.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It doesn't cost any money at all.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Anything we do does not cost the money.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's all free for them.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So, you know, in-person legal workshop, English and Spanish, or English and
Espanol, and then intellectual property clinic, virtual meeting.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So every time I meet with clients, I give them all of this information, making
sure that they know they have any questions.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
If they want more information, then they can go on here and look to see and
register.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if any of you had a question on how to open up a business outside of coming
and speaking with me, there are other options that we have for people to get
free help and free assistance whenever they want to at their own time.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if they can't meet with me during the day, they can go on here and attend a
workshop at night.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so we give them all that information.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And we readily have workshops available for people all the time.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
We also have what we call an entrepreneurship, an entrepreneur academy for
people that want to open up a business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And I can actually go on mine to show you what that looks like.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's different than the workshops, but people can, so people can go on and they
have, we offer classes to them, like how to form a business by financing your
business, marketing your business, managing your employees, e-commerce for your
business, protecting your business, cybersecurity, managing your customers.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
There are some things that are going to come soon, like international trade,
managing your cash flow, and then business startups and business growth.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So we try to give them as much information as we possibly can, whether that's
with me or whether that's online.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And people could go on and study themselves and learn what they need to do to
be successful in their business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Now, over the past six months, I have assisted 30 different clients with
different business needs.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
This is business plan creation in both Spanish and English, financial analysis,
marketing strategy, grant writing, and presentations.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The revolving loan fund, which is a lending program of money that is given to
the county and the county is able to help out with economic development.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
We do bank loans.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I've not helped with some of the larger loans.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I am working with a company right now that wants to build here, either here or
San Juan, that would have about 15 employees.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so those are some of the loans that I'm working on.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The networking part, smart business decisions, management training.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so over the past, and I put 200 hours, but when I went back in and looked
at my system, I'm really looking at about 300 hours and then more doing research
on their businesses.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the things I find is when they come in with an idea, they don't
necessarily know how to build that business correctly.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They have a great idea.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I have one client that has come in, and she's got a fantastic idea, but she
doesn't know how to really create her product the best way that she could
possibly create that.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So I'm able to help her, and I've been able to help her, and we're getting very
close for her to be able to really start a very successful business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But it's taken us a couple of months, a month and a half, from the time she
wanted to make her product until I had her go to someone else, like what we call
a co-packer, to be able to create her product.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so there's a lot of time that I spend doing research, making sure that
people are going down the right road and making the right decisions.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
If people are going to spend a lot of their money, a lot of their time, I want
to make sure that, one, they're making the right decisions for themselves.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
You know, if they want to buy a business, but that business has lost $200,000
over the last two years, meeting with them and kind of talking them through
that, seeing how that looks, to see whether or not that that's a good idea for
them.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Maybe working with partners that they don't like, but they're just trying to
open up a business and work with anybody, that doesn't always work.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so it's kind of like a marriage doesn't always work.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So those are kind of, that's a little humor.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So those are some of the things that I've done with people in our office up
there at USU.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And this is just a really quick sample business plan template.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And this is why, not necessarily the writing part of it, but the financial
projections take a long time.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They take many hours.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And that's the most important part.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Generally, the financials and the business plans about three to four pages.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And that's the one part where most people, if they're trying to get any type of
funding, they don't know how to do.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so me being able to work with them on how to do that and how to put that
together so that they can go to Desert Rivers Credit Union and get a loan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I work with Lonnie Campbell at Desert Rivers Credit Union quite a bit.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I'm able to sit there and put this business plan together, put the
finances together and send people down to him so they can be approved for a
loan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so it's not always the easiest process, and it's very difficult.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's very frustrating for people.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But there's a lot of hoops that they have to jump through to open up a business
because I don't want them to lose money.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so that's one of the things that we're working on, I thought it may have
been for me.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But those are the things that I'm working on.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I would tell you, I don't know 100% of everything, but we have a really good
community with SBDC and we help each other out.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if there's not a question, I don't know.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Most of you have met Roger.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He used to be here.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He did a lot of the SBDC work here prior to me coming.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But we help each other with clients that we have.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I think that that's all on my part.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I didn't know how long I had.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I didn't want to really overwhelm and kill you.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I would like to tell you every customer that I deal with, some of the customers
are in the process of getting loans.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Coyote Crossing is one of the customers that we have.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They got approved.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I'm not going to go into the financial part of that of what they got approved
for, but he was approved for a long.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
If you go north on Maine, go past Desert Rivers Credit Union, I think it's 850
North Maine, you'll be able to see him doing a massive amount of work on that
building.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He's excited to open up his business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
John Early may know who he is.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I think he's been in the community for 50 years.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He's the old visitor center.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
He takes people on tours on camping and climbing, but he's really excited about
that business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So that's one of the businesses that we've really done well with him.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
When he first came to me, his business plan was 37 pages long.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And just let you know, business plans should be about anywhere between 9 to 12
pages long.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So we really had to help him streamline what he needed to do before we got to
the revolving loan fund and get him the money that he needed to be able to open
up his business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And he's about ready to open it up.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so I'm excited for him.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the things we look at too is we look at the number of employees that
we're bringing into the community.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I'm working with another company right now that this time next year they'll
have about 10 employees.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But we're right in the middle of getting them funding as well.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They've already partially opened up their business model and business plans
incredible.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But once we get that funding done, I would like to come back, even have them
come talk to you because they'll have probably seven, eight, nine employees that
they're going to hire because of their business.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So I think the economic development of what we're trying to do is make sure
that not only are we getting these people money and funding, but we're making
sure that they're going to be hiring people from our community.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And the struggle we have there is, well, there's a lot of hotels, there's a lot
of restaurants, there's a lot of other places that are hiring too.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But we're just hoping to bring jobs to the community as well.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And that's really part of what we do at SBC.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So I'll stop talking.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And if anyone has questions, please ask.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Well, we're excited that the program's back up.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's been to me a long time since it's really been rolling.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So it's exciting.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So we're glad that you're there.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Are we seeing any businesses that are diversifying our economy at all?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Anything outside of?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Yeah, outside of tourism.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The one I just talked about is outside.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Well, I can say it's outside of tourism because that has nothing to do with
tourism, but it kind of does.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Because we do have Airbnb's, we do have homes here, but, you know, it would be
like any, you know, of the economy.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It does touch it a little bit, but it doesn't have really anything to do with.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So you're seeing seven diversities.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so, and I actually can tell you who they are.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
That's Knox Lane.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They are a company that is providing, they'll provide appliances like small
scratch dent appliances, floor model appliances.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So they've already opened up their business, but we're just trying to get them
to where they can run more efficiently, run more effectively.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But that business right there has nothing to do really with tourism.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It has everything to do with people buying appliances, kind of like you would
on the Wasatch Front or anywhere else in Utah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So that's one business that I can say because they've already opened up.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I'm helping them get more funding so they can get more product into their
store.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I talked with a small business owner today as well.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I don't want to mention his name yet, but I will refer him to you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I've also referred him to serving following loan fund already, because he's the
top in six to eight employees and has something totally outside of tourism here
as well.
Chair Bill Winfield:
But I'll pass him over to you.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
That's great.
Chair Bill Winfield:
If we can't move that one.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
That's, I mean, one of the things we're trying to do is look at whatever
company that's coming that does not necessarily have to deal with tourism in and
of itself.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Trying to, like you said, with the revolving loan fund trying to get people to
be able to benefit.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
One of the reasons why they use the revolving loan fund, they don't necessarily
qualify for a bank loan or, you know, if they're running everything through an
LLC, they've run everything through LLCs from what I've seen.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's hard for them because it's not showing that they're making a massive
amount of income.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if they've already, if they already own one or two businesses and
everything's run through their business, they write everything off.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So it's not necessarily showing that they're making all kinds of money.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So it's harder for them to get that regular low through a bank.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Right.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So that's some of the things that we're working with and helping them.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
Chair Bill Winfield:
The other thing I would mention too, you mentioned bringing in employees.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And I think that we need to be encouraging some of these people to consider
bringing in employees rather than robbing from a fool.
Chair Bill Winfield:
It's already pretty stressed out here locally.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And by encouraging them to do that, also they need to be thinking housing and
how they help make that possible in their businesses.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Because if, if we robbed from one business to get another business started, it
isn't going to be the best scenario for us.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And just encouraging them to think long-term along those lines, I think it'd be
good.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And then I had a question you mentioned that you're doing a bunch in San Juan.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Is that mainly in the valley or do you deal with the entire county?
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I deal with the entire county, but I would tell you it's not much because I
have to meet with them by Zoom.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I'm not going to drive to them.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The reason why the way I'm funded, the way I paid, we focus on Grand County.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And, but if somebody, if somebody wants help, you know, I'll help them.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But it's for every, every, for every 10 San, for every 10 Grand County
businesses, I help.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I help one in San Juan.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
But, you know, I do work with some bankers out of Monticello, another one out
of planning.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So if they do have customers that need some help, you know, we're, we're
willing to, to help them because one of the things too is if they're in the
valley on, if they're creating something for the valley and we have people that
live in our community, that will drive to their business and work there, we're
still affecting people's lives and helping people.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so, but it's, it's, I probably say the majority of my time is spent with
clients from Grand County.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Anybody else?
Chair Bill Winfield:
Questions?
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
No.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'd echo Trish to say, it's nice to have a functioning as SBDC again.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
That's great.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
I would say if, you know, if you know anybody, you know, we've heard what we
work with companies also that may need help with managing leadership or
anything.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
You know, one of the, some of the things we do with people can get grants.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
The wildcat fund is a grant that people can get.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They have to do a business plan and they have to do a pitch to three people
from Weber state.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's not very difficult.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's $3,000.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And they just get to $3,000.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
It's, it's not, you know, they have, they do not have to provide receipts or
anything like that.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They're just given that money.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Or if a company has 25 employees and they need their employees to be trained.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
There's something called cut there's, there's a grant called custom fit and
custom fit will pay for 50% of the training.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
And so if you know anybody that their company needs training, they think that
their employees need training, they can get training.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
Now custom fit won't send them to Hawaii to get training, but if they needed to
go to Orem or Lehigh or somewhere else like that, they would do that.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
They just have to put in a requisition and have that happen.
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
So there's, there's those types of grants that they will, that we're really
trying to help benefit existing companies as well.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Well, we appreciate the time that you've invested here.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And clearly it seems like you're helping a lot of people.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And that I think was the ultimate goal when we made the decision to fund this.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So I look forward to seeing some diversification and some small businesses come
out of this.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Again, thanks for your time and for the update.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Thank you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And so was that being the flows of our workshop?
Chair Bill Winfield:
I would say we take a brief recess and we will come back at four o'clock.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I will call this regularly scheduled commission meeting to order.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Those friends are the same.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We were here earlier with the workshop in footing that we have here.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And we will all stand for the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag.
All:
of the United States.
All: :
And to the republic for which it stands
All:
One nation under God indivisible. With liberty and Justice for all.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And so thanks everybody for being here.
Chair Bill Winfield:
It's good to see y'all.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We love the full house.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Believe it or not.
Chair Bill Winfield:
there is a citizens to be heard that will start now at four o'clock and if
Chair Bill Winfield:
you're here for the public hearing that will be later regarding high density
Chair Bill Winfield:
housing overlay so that'll happen a little bit later in our meeting if
Chair Bill Winfield:
that's what you're here to speak on you'll want to wait for that citizens to
Chair Bill Winfield:
be heard I'm glad to start us off here if we've got people in a certain boat
the citizen the public hearing has to be after 6 p.m.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
It's not money for the public hearing for the land use yeah it has to be after 6 p.m. so that's after 6 o'clock for the public hearing and we're just
glad
Chair Bill Winfield:
that you're here so anybody citizens to be heard if one starts off agreeing you
Chair Bill Winfield:
were first please oh there are we all there in a second there thank you I came here to kind of give you a small update on the Red Rock Valley event that we
Red Rok Rally speaker:
had this weekend just like we can't care I know some of the event people you
know
Red Rok Rally speaker:
they just come in and ask for a permit and they just so I'm here I've got a
Red Rok Rally speaker:
I could be here I was a great success we didn't have any instance that I'm
aware
Red Rok Rally speaker:
of just give you an idea on the event itself it was held up Spanish child
Red Rok Rally speaker:
Spanish belly trailer we had local participation there we had some food
Red Rok Rally speaker:
vendors over there and spoke with the food vendors they sold out all three
Red Rok Rally speaker:
nights ran out of food we had some local vendors that were there they did very
Red Rok Rally speaker:
well our vendors that did show up or sponsors a lot of them sold out on their
Red Rok Rally speaker:
products and so we had a lot of local dissipation come in and we actually have
Red Rok Rally speaker:
locals that signed up for the rally so that was pretty awesome I went around
and
Red Rok Rally speaker:
talked to some of the businesses in Moab when we were advertising our advance
we
Red Rok Rally speaker:
would get we would ask him that they'd give us a discount code for like motels
Red Rok Rally speaker:
and restaurants and things like that and some of the motels and hotels here in
Red Rok Rally speaker:
town they said as soon as we started advertising which would have been
Red Rok Rally speaker:
advertising for quite a while but a lot of the motels hotels built up within 48
Red Rok Rally speaker:
hours so and a lot of restaurants were happy so that was awesome and just
Red Rok Rally speaker:
want to thank you for the support that we got from you we got a lot of
Red Rok Rally speaker:
support from the BLM from the Bureau of Land Management and the OHP programs in
the
Red Rok Rally speaker:
state of Utah had a lot of support there and we just had a great time I will
tell
Red Rok Rally speaker:
you it was very hot and it was record high temperatures I think one day was a
Red Rok Rally speaker:
hundred and six if I remember but everything went good we had one medical
Red Rok Rally speaker:
with a little bit of heat exhaustion that individual was brought out treated
Red Rok Rally speaker:
at the hospital released but each one of our guides and our guides on our
trails
Red Rok Rally speaker:
we had anywhere from four to six guys one of them had seven guides on one
Red Rok Rally speaker:
trail every one of our guides carried a case of water and every day and they
Red Rok Rally speaker:
would run out of water giving folks even what water they had so just so you
Red Rok Rally speaker:
know all right so Stevie's telling me I have 30 seconds I like that but and if
Red Rok Rally speaker:
you have any questions or anything please ask me real quick also mark is
Red Rok Rally speaker:
online if you've got any questions for him thank you thanks can't stop thank
you and we normally and citizen be heard don't interject by the board thank you
Chair Bill Winfield:
next all right please gentlemen and we'll go to the lady that was beside you
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
okay hi this is kind of cool I know almost every one of yug ain't it for
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
you I've been to the gym with you actually dating one of yours moms and but
Chair Bill Winfield:
Please introduce yourself
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
I'm Mike Tony Lee I'm here partially representing the pickleball people which
is almost that whole side of the room I
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
wrote it down thank you for the chance to speak today I'm here on behalf of
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
these guys local residents who play pickleball regularly and have been
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
waiting patiently for six years dedicated for the dedicated courts the county a
lot
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
of money for these courts and we have been very hopeful and now we're hearing
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
that the funds might be pulled right now we're playing in two places the
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
Center Street gym which just has two courts and we often get bumped there
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
if there's any other thing going on we get bumped out of there the other is
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
the high school tenants courts which are temporary we have to chalk the lines
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
every time it rains we reach out no problem but it's becoming more and more
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
difficult to play there with we can't be on school grounds now if there's any
any
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
school kids around okay here's the personal part pickleball isn't just a
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
sport it's a community as a retired business person who's lived here for 49
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
years I've had my business here for 40 years I lost my tribe I lost my family
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
when I retired I didn't see that coming like all the other subs the
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
contractors I I just kind of lost my family when I retired I started playing
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
pickleball this is my new family it's way more than just playing and we have
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
people I have written down that we have people in their 20s but driving
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
over here I realized no we have teenagers also and there's nothing cooler to
see
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
the kids coming home from college and playing side-by-side with their parents
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
and we also have a guy that's 88 years old at place and so this is not just an
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
old person sport we keep each other active connected and this is a very good
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
mental thing for all of us we're asking we're not asking for a luxury we're
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
asking for fairness other towns much smaller than ours have permanent courts
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
tourists play with us every week and can't believe that we don't have any
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
courts it's time we invest in something meaningful for our locals I've talked
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
to I've heard talk of that well maybe we'll do it cutting corners please don't
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
do that do it the right way the first time being a contractor I know firsthand
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
if you cut corners if you do the job wrong the first time it will always be
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
wrong like just do it right the first time find a way to do it let's stop
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
making excuses and make this happen we're not asking for everything just for
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
something we've more than earned more than that we've earned the last thing I
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
didn't write it down was one of the council persons told me that maybe I
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
should go to the city and ask them for help I'm a great painter I'm not great
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
at this and I would like to cut out the middle man which is me I would like
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
to see you guys go to the city and I would like to throw the school district
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
in there too thank you guys for your time it's would be a benefit like we would
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
also be able to hold tournaments and everything else thank you I just am here
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
also to represent the my pickle of community my name's and good speed could
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
we have everyone here from the community stand up please we have over 80
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
people in our contact with us who have participated or interested who come
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
through town and want to know when and where we're playing Michael commented on
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
most of things that I wanted to touch on but I also wanted to share with you
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
that there is an epidemic of loneliness here in the world and pickleball is
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
changing that for people when people come and have community and move and
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
connect we have parties together outside of when we're playing it is a
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
fantastic way it's in our it's a family for most of us it is a beautiful way to
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
bring health and movement and it is great for brain health the coordination
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
racket sports are said to be the most powerful ways to keep our bodies healthy
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
and our brains healthy so we really want to be in a big huge advocate for
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
whatever we can do to cheer on this and built for us having some dedicated
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
spaces welcoming spaces offer tournaments bring more tourists in we have lots
of
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
community people from out of town coming in looking for us and it's hard to
find
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
us and luckily when they do find us they're quite like they're like whoa
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
this place needs it's kind of embarrassing actually but we don't have a
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
dedicated space so we would love to just do whatever we can to be in support
and
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
just and we realize there's a lot of things a lot of money that needs to be
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
considered but this is I think for the health and wellness of Moab to help us
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
be stronger this would be a great way to advocate for friends thank you thank
Chair Bill Winfield:
you please remember to introduce yourself my name is Bruce Dessel I've
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
lived there for a long time and not to be terse or think about it but I'm
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
surprised you guys would kind of blow a bunch of money on another out-of-town
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
consultants in my opinion it's widely held that the timed entry in arches now
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
correct me if I'm wrong that's where you're considering putting the money
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
against I don't have that right in my opinion it's it's widely held that the
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
timed entry is worth now I understand it might go against people's libertarian
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
ideals of public lands use but we all know arches is parking space limited so
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
you can let all the people in the world you want into arches but if they
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
just have to drive around and can't even park they're not gonna have a good
time
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
and I'm gonna feel good about Moab so you know I won't go on about pickleball
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
but I think Moab is about recreation and this is just another facet forget the
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
funny name and lump us in there with you know volleyball baseball basketball
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
and all the other cool stuff we do here in Moab thanks thank you
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
I'm Deb Plays and I am a pickleball player I understand that you're debating
the budget items
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
today and the budget meeting scheduled for next week we have been discussing
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
pickleball courts for several years always it seems to be pushed to the back
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
of the to-do list I would encourage you to view these courts as something
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
different than what has been discussed in the past some of our neighboring
towns
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
have been hosting pickleball tournaments these tournaments are well
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
attended by out-of-town guests there is no reason that Moab could not better
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
compete with these tournaments than our neighboring towns our climate is
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
conducive to spring and fall tournaments the clientele would have little or no
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
impact on other events national parks trails or other high tourist impact areas
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
they simply would use the grounds at the arena and contribute to our local
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
hospitality economy please keep the courts on your budget view them as not a
(Deb Plays) Pickleball Public Comment:
cost but a potential revenue generator thank you for your consideration
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
yes sir yes sir
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
when you just say if it's doing okay father and he'll know the king creek
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
project has now become the preliminary business municipality of echo canyon
which
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
has changed playing field entirely I spent many hours reviewing sp258
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
preliminary municipality code I'm not sure what can be done to mitigate the
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
detrimental impact of this project now that it's essentially out of the
county's
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
hands but I still want to share with you all it's entirely possible and maybe
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
ahead under sp258 the technical Canyon is now a municipality but not yet a town
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
there's no outside entity that will monitor the building process no tracking
(Dave Crother) Kane Creek/Echo Canyon Public Comment:
placement of the field in the floodplain no design reviews no inspections
nothing
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this responsibility is left to the developers themselves it can also build
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to whatever master plan they choose even if it's dramatically different than
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one of which can you once approved no tenet governor's group the lieutenant
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governor's responded to my questions on these subjects with well I cannot find
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any explicit mention of any oversight or monitoring that's related to echo
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Canyon either by the state or Grand County info as well as look part five of
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the incorporation code does not mention any other public body that will ensure
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canyon adheres to their original development plan I'm asking you Dave
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also provides if you lose their responsibility on the part of the
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submitted the application both of which are corporations one of these
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corporations has already been dissolved the other may be dissolved in their
future
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probably known when this happened there were no longer to be convinced the
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landowners to be held responsible also echo Canyon will almost certainly never
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transition to a town this process can only begin with another president's
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reaches 100 that is clear the majority of these homes will be second homes
whose
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owners have a permanent resident elsewhere can't be considered resident
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back okay after six years it was in a government will dissolve it and return
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what's left to the county in summary the county will probably have very low
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say and what I think and what the echo Canyon developed bill and how they
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build it and for the lieutenant governor's office no other can you do
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no either we trust these developers to do the right thing we trust that they
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will be responsible to the people of our family and to the county itself thank
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
you thank you um to me should be about this that's our time s entry I'm Mary O'Brien from Castle Valley the attribution of local business
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impact at all to arches timed entry is absurd in the April to October chart I
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handed you the data are from the database all visitation numbers are
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normalized to the year 2019 which is pre covid that is the number of visitors
is
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different for each National Park but the years before the after represent the
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
difference in their visitation compared to 2019 by percent as you can see all
of
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these five southwestern parks have similar visitation trajectories before
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and after 2019 they all drop during covid closures in 2020 they all
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experience a rebound in visitation in 2021 when people hit the roads to get
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
outdoors with the exception of Zion National Park by 2024 they are all
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experiencing fewer visitors than pre coat the pre covid year only one of
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these parks arches has timed entry and it begins in 2022 and continues through
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
today Grand Canyon National Park has experienced a greater decline in
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visitation than arches since 2019 though it does not have timed entry moreover
a
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
2022 usu study showed that a majority of arches visitors prefer timed entry and
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
arches workers prefer timed entry on what basis and arches national parks
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post covid visitation trend and therefore any amount of county economic
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trend be attributed to timed entry when similar post covid trends are observed
in
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similar parks that have no timed entry I guess economists can be hired to look
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into anything but for this commission to spend $63,000 of taxpayer money when
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you're already over budget for this implausible timed entry hypothesis seems
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particularly senseless and unaccountable to Grand County taxpayers thank you hi there my name is Colleen Beaver and I am a pickleball player and I
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
just want to wrap this thing up everything that has been said is well
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
done and in conjunction with trying to say what we do and what pickled off
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
pickleball does for the community but I have a little few stats here well first
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
of all in 2010 is when we brought pickleball here with the Moab senior
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
games and it was introduced to Moab and from then it's just grown and grown and
grown
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we in 2023 we incorporated not incorporated but we have friends of
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
Moab pickleball which is a non-profit we have members we have dues so there's
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
that and in 2023 36.5 million people played pickleball at least once which is
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
14% of the adult population a lot of people are in to pickleball in 2024
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
I can't read my writing oh there was a 45% increase in pickleball play from
2023
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to 2024 and the average age in pickleball is decreasing with 25 to 34 age
groups
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
having the most players now it's not just an old person thing so anyway we
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
have you know it's just like we're an afterthought we were given property where
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
we're told we were gonna have property at the high school at one time we got
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
all excited and started raising money and then they took that away and then we
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
were told we were going to have court courts property out at Old City Park and
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
that was declined after we got our hopes up again and so anyway we were going
Colleen Beaver - Pickleball Public Comment:
with the flow we would just love courts and that would bring more people into Moab so thank you thank you please don't hello everyone my name is Keith Hill
from
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
Moab and all of a sudden I feel a urge to try pickleball I don't have any notes
I
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don't have any stats I'll try to be brief I'm here because I understand that
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
there was a motion made to strip the Moab chamber of its voting rights with
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
Moab Tourism Advisory Board professionally I serve as the director of
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
operations for a company that owns and operates about 10 tax-producing
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
businesses here in town and although I know some of the other voters on that
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
board I don't have the relationship that I do with the chamber that's been
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
fostered through monthly luncheons series of workshops and other community
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
events so from my perspective it seems a little concerning and counterintuitive
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
to take votership rights away from an organization that has such a broad
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
reach and perspective of the businesses that generate that revenue so I'd like
Keith Hill - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
that to be reconsidered thank you thank you I'm Ronnie Schultz and as of January 2025 I'm a current board of director for the Moab area chamber
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commerce Moab tourism advisory board bylaws need amended to comply with the
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
changes required for HB 456 it takes effect July 2025 the city Moab has been
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
on this board not as a voting position but chamber has been on this board for
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
20 plus years as a voting position I fully support the city of Moab should
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
have a boat motion was made to replace the city of Moab with a Moab chamber of
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
Congress I watched the two recorded meetings the end of the first recording
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
was going to explain who and why but internet and power was interrupted and
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
the recording stopped within minutes of the second recording a motion was made
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and immediately seconded then a very short discussion with an alternative
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motion increasing the board to an eight-member board was not seconded motion
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to remove the chamber as a voting member passed on a five to two vote what
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concerns me is why wasn't this deliberated further I feel that advisory
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
board was not educated on the changes to HB 456 that take place effective July
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
before the interruption of internet or power I believe legal counsel was about
to
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weigh in on these requirements but this conversation was never picked back up
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
tonight maybe legal counsel could explain how the board is supposed to be
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
diversified to meet these requirements I would encourage the Commission to
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review 17-31-8 within HB 456 and determine what it says specifically
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
section 3i and ii currently seven are voting members three are non-voting
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members five of the seven are employers or an employee of the company they
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
represent the Moab area Chamber of Commerce and Canyonlands Natural History
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Association are neither under 3ii it states at least two of the board's
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membership shall be employees of recreation facilities convention
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
facilities museums cultural attractions or and I believe or is a key word here
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
other tourism related industries located within the county these two board
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members who do not represent individual companies meet the requirements of the
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
law good the board have explored the following four options to accommodate
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
the city being in voting position number one replace chambers vote which is
what
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happened number two replace Canyonlands Natural History Association's vote
number
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three replace one of the five employees or employers vote or number four
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increase the board nine members to represent our communities businesses and
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
reinstate the chamber as a voting member I asked the Commission to support
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
the Moab area Chamber of Commerce as we are the voice for our community and
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should have a vote on how funds generated by our members via TRT taxes
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are spent I thank the chair and commissioners thank you go ahead the card you're on your way up hello my name is corn Phillips and I serve as
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the Moab Chamber of Commerce executive director and has been in the
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position since March of this year I attended the recent Moab tourism advisory
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board meeting during which the bylaws regarding board members were to be
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evaluated following the introduction of HB 456 effective July 2025 given the
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
businesses in the city limits generate more than 50% of the TRT funds HB 456
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states that the county shall be shall include a board member to represent the
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
city's interest I'm not in disagreement here I believe the city should have a
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
vote on how the TRT funds are distributed up until this point the city of Moab
has
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served on the Moab tourism advisory board as a liaison but not voting
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member during the recent meeting the voting position of the Chamber of
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Commerce was removed in a 5-2 vote to keep the seven-person board giving the
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voting position of the chamber to the city other options are available to keep
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the vote of our collective business community on this board HB 456 does not
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limit the number of board members to seven the tourism parks advisory board
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may add additional members to them there was not a need to eliminate a voting
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position to get the city about on the board the decision deserves more
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
deliberation chamber members generate funds that the Travel Council is
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spending the for-profit businesses that generate these funds should have a
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vote on how these spots are spent removing the chamber boat is removing
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the representation of our business community and leaving it in the hands of
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
a very small group of business owners I ask that you work with county attorney
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
Stephen stocks to weigh all available options to include keeping the chambers
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voting position giving the city a voting position and adherence to HB 456
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and adding another board member as permitted by HB 456 to represent a
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collaboration facility within the county thus expanding the board to nine members thank you have anybody else Teresa please
winning Teresa Kings I'm here to talk about the bylaws for the mohawk area
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chamber for the Travel Council I sat in that position as a chamber board
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
member on the Travel Council and I've also been a Travel Council board member
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
many many years ago this position on the Travel Council board has been there
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
for I'm gonna say close to 40 years it was well coveted and fought for and
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
thought about for many years to have the chamber have a voice in the Travel
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Council's business the way that this came about was rather interesting the
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
Travel Council board did not have written bylaws to review at their meeting
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
that wasn't included in the packet or else I would have gone to the travel
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board and had my opinion spoken then otherwise I'm here I think it's
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important if the optics of this are are not very good I think that there's
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
personalities at play here and I hate to say that but I believe that that is
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
true and I really think that it is important that the business community has
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
a place of course they can have a place without a vote but as you all know when
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
you do votes how important your vote is and I believe that the Chamber of
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Commerce plays a very important role in giving their voice and opinions and
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discussions about these subjects and I hope that you will consider another way
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
to do this the two these things did not have to be combined it was a very
simple
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
thing to include the city and their boat having nothing to do with the chamber
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
that did not have to come up at the same time and it just came up that way
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
and I think it's unfortunate you can have seven people eight people nine
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
people can have them all voting even number odd number some people go to
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
meetings some people don't the number of people I think is pretty irrelevant I
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
think the again I will say it again the optics on this to not have the business
Theresa King - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
community have a vote is unfortunate and I hope that you will reconsider that position we have anyone else in the chamber see Quinn there is there anybody
online more I don't see I like having the pickle ballers we usually don't get
applause
okay all right one last call anybody in the chamber outside the doors that want
Chair Bill Winfield:
to speak citizens the earth come on in all right thank you we will move on then
Chair Bill Winfield:
the next item I'm missing my pickle ballers presentation and up so you don't
Chair Bill Winfield:
want to stick around for some great hours from the last night's contact I'm
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breathing you can try it all up in okay Dana we would make any headway on the
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phone at the game
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you'll be doing nice guy living in I got you we were supposed to have an update
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on our external body I see oh no I just looks like we are minus anyone from
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Larson so we will move on I know that they did present to the audit committee
Chair Bill Winfield:
but it do not have a representative from Larson's with us so we can now go into
Chair Bill Winfield:
our department reports next up will be active trails and transportation
Madeline
Chair Bill Winfield:
and then I just want to thank you for being patient waiting until the timing
Chair Bill Winfield:
was optimal for this so thanks Jim for some day thank you I'm gonna need about 30 seconds to set up here okay so just get set up here it's like a nothing
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
no I'm not saying that let me go for it without notes so bear with me maybe
find them if you would prefer to have them we could go to something else
Chair Bill Winfield:
Maddie while you find that it's up totally up to you or we can wait for I think this should be okay okay let's go um my name is Maddie
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
Lagois I'm the director of the Grand County active transportation and trails
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
department known as G cat and this is my 2025 annual report this is an overview
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of everything I'm hoping to squeeze into this presentation some things to
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know are that I haven't presented an annual report since last spring so I did
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include a recap of 2024 as well as more recent things in 2025 and then also
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because there's some new commissioners I did include like a little bit of
context
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just about the programs kind of how they've developed over the years and
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
also some of these slides have a lot of notes on them and for the sake of
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time I'm not gonna read everything on them but the information is there so if
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you have questions you can follow up with it so to start with our mission is
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to partner with local municipalities and land managers to develop and maintain
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non-motorized trail and active transportation systems we also assist
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with visitor management and education and so within the DCAD department there's
two
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programs we have our trails program which includes a variety of projects and
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
then the field staff for that is the trail crew and then we have the
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variety of different projects and the what's on the ground for that are the
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trail ambassadors so this department it's really based on partnerships so this
is
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
just a list of some of the land managers and different stakeholders that we've
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worked with to develop these programs this is a kind of a lay of the land one
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question I get asked frequently is why Grand County has a non-motorized trail
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crew and not a motorized trail crew and so again there's a lot of
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very different histories to kind of how those different recreation groups have
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developed and for the non-motorized side Grand County has really been the one
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spearheading a lot of non-motorized trail development and the county's
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involvement in that arena this is the 25th year of that essentially and all
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of the trails that Grand County has built is responsible for maintaining so
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that's kind of how we've ended up with the trail crew and then for the
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motorized side it's been a little bit more complicated because there's a lot
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more players who are involved in the actual implementation of trail maintenance
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side one thing to know is that whether it's Grand County or the BLM or
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nonprofit everyone's basically applying to the same state grants to fund that
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maintenance and so it's kind of looking at holistically everyone's point that
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same fund there's also a timeline that explains the development because there
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is always some confusion about what is trail mix and what is GCAT so this
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provides a little bit of context I won't go into it in depth but basically some
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key dates to note are that in the year 2000 the Grand County trail mix
committee
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was established in 2010 that's when Grand County partnered with an umbrella
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nonprofit to have a trail crew to start building trails and then 2019 is when
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
there was a restructuring and so that's when those field staff became the GCAT
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department.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
This is an overview of the entire department budget which is over four million
dollars.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
That purple is all for the Spanish Valley Drive pathway into UDOT grant and so
that's the majority of the department budget.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
I've pulled it out here for clarity so when you pull out one big project fund
what you're left with is the green is different types of tax revenue and then
the blue is all different types of grants and that orange is a interest.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
We've also received a number of awards over the years so this year we received
a national award from the American Trails Association.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
They award just a handful of awards every two years and so Grand County was
recognized nationally it's very cool and then also related this year the
Division of After Recreation in Utah awarded specifically the Trail Ambassador
Program as a recognition.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So I'm going to talk about Trails Program, Responsible Red Program and that's
other projects we have this year.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So looking back at 2024, our main projects last year were working on Pike Dream
which was damaged by a flash flood and then also going through an intensive
maintenance project all along the MAG 7 trail system.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
This is a graph that just shows everywhere we worked the blue is all staff
hours and the orange is all volunteer hours which we'll talk about more later.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
We use an app to have staff be able to mark maintenance areas on trails so all
these black pins are areas maintenance issues that we resolved in 2024 so just
gives you kind of a scope of where we're functioning.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
Here's some
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photos of our trail crew and volunteers a lot of these are from the Pike Dream
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volunteers that we had and then moving into 2025 this year the trail crew has
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been focusing on the horse thief trail system doing that intensive maintenance
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so really going doing a thorough run through and rebuilding rock ramps and
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we've also been educating ourselves a lot about adaptive equipment and adaptive
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cycling and so one of the focuses this year we can see that's Tyson on that
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hands label, is going through especially horse thief and looking at areas that
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need to be widened because this equipment has a 36 inch wheelbase compared
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to a traditional upright bicycle which has you know a narrow a narrower base so
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this is an example of a project that's a bit more heavy-handed than maybe some
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of our maintenance but there was reasons that this was the approach that was
taken
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and that's because it was a choke point for that equipment it was steeply off
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camber and you can't see it in the photo that there's a cliff right there so
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it's all you know site specific but that was the reason that trail widening was
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the most appropriate for this spot.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
In addition to horse thief we're constantly just bouncing around trying to keep
up with system wind upkeep so these are just examples other projects the crews
worked on this spring includes trail delineation with paint that's one of our
breakaway bridges breaks out of flash flood we put it back in place and then
signage.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
We have some upcoming maintenance projects the crew currently has two weeks off
and then we start in the mountains in July and August.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
This season is fully funded by the Forest Service.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
We'll also be keeping our eye on picturing in case there's more flash flooding
and we'll try and be flexible and deal with that if it arises and then this map
just shows our upcoming to-do list these are all of our points that we have that
we have not resolved yet but are ordered by priority.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
There's three upcoming construction projects I'm gonna move through these
really quickly even though I love to talk about them just for the sake of time
but you can ask me follow-up questions.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
Some things to note are that we are very lucky in Greene County we have an
in-house trail designer which is extremely costly to contract out so we get the
luxury of having someone spend all of their time in our area planning and
designing these trails.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
The BLM also donates the NEPA which is tens of thousands of dollars not
hundreds of thousands of dollars to do and then finally all these projects are
grant funded.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So the first one that I'll just mention briefly is the Falcon Climb Trail.
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This is in Sandflats Recreation Area.
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It'll link to the Falcon Flow Trail and create about a nine-mile loop.
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The Brands area otherwise known as Bar M is our most popular mountain bike area
it's kind of the closest to that northern end of town and we've identified ten
different sections that improve the connectivity and flow and they also kind of
add to the true beginner, true advanced trails.
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We'll be phasing these in over the next two years but we do have a grant for
it.
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And then finally this is our kind of our biggest and most complicated project
is the Mud Springs Trail System which is actually located in San Juan County so
it's a partnership with Greene County, San Juan County and the BLM and then it's
funded by the state.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
And this area we're going to be breaking ground on in August which is very
exciting and it will be about 11 miles of trail for phase one that we're gonna
do our darkness to get done this season but we have only a three-month build
window that's very firm so we have to cut off construction on November 14th.
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And this area will be open to non-motorized activities including mountain
biking and then also open to class with e-bikes and there's a NICA on to the
next program.
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I might grab some water because I'm trying to talk really fast.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
For the Responsible Recreation Program I wanted to put in a little bit of
context into this.
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Basically looking at the last decade of visitation or trail use in this area
there's been kind of a steady incline and then during COVID you know things drop
down we've got a crazy spike.
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And so with this kind of gradual increase in visitation that does come with
some challenges on the trails.
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So the first challenge I want to talk about is just we have one of the most
active search and rescue teams in Utah and a lot of the incidents that they're
responding to are not avoidable but there are a portion of them that are related
to heat or dehydration that that aren't preventable.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
And then also for every person who really reaches that critical threshold and
they're calling 911 for help there's other people out there who are not calling
911 but they're maybe having like a bad time on the trail right like they're
dehydrated they make it back to the car but their experience of BOAP is maybe
not what we want it to be.
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The next thing is thinking about damage to our resources so natural and
cultural resources.
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So some challenges we can see when there's more people using spaces are trail
damage so that can include trail widening, trail braiding, off-trail travel
which can then also leave risk access when we have illegal off-trail travel
occurring.
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There's issues with trash and waste on the trails which can include human waste
as well and then also vandalism to cultural sites.
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And so the photos I have on here I have two photos of the those archaeological
sites with damage and then the Pack Creek Fire in the background.
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The Pack Creek Fire was caused by an unattended campfire so also related to
camping and recreation.
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And those two events they were really you know they're in the new cycle they
were highly publicized and those were both in 2021 which is the year that the
Trail Ambassador Program is met.
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And so you know part of the goals of the program are to help manage these
issues.
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And then finally the last category of I'd say challenges is that when you have
more people using these recreation areas especially if they're doing different
activities or have different desires in that area it's more likely to lead to
user conflict.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So these are just a photo of Delicate Arch that shows you know what Delicate
Arch looks like these days with a number of people sharing that space and then
news articles that are related to user conflict or negative press related to
overcrowding on trails.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So as I mentioned in 2021 Grand County established the Trail Ambassador Program
and it has three goals that are all related to those issues that I talked about.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So the first one is related to visitor safety and experience and so making sure
that people have the information, the maps, and the water that they need to go
safely explore the trails and have a positive experience.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
That also ties into activities that the Trail Ambassadors provide especially to
families to enhance experiences when folks are out there.
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The second is that resource protection aspect so just educating people about
how to you know protect what they've come to enjoy so staying on trail you know
resisting the urge to scratch on the rocks things like that.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
And then the third one which is the most nuanced is relating to that visitor or
that user conflict issue and so just talking to people about things that aren't
necessarily regulations but more of just like etiquette or considerations.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
So in our area some examples of like hot topics that people might talk to
visitors about are dogs you know they can expect to see dogs off trail or sorry
off-leash on the trail drone use and noise.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
This is again this is a break out of just the budget so which is as long
discussion lately so the blue is the film wrecked TRT both the TRT and then the
fund balance from that same item.
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And then we have two
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different grants involved in the program and then this is a timeline that shows
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development and so there's been sort of tweaking every year and then one thing
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to note is that we did actually have a very small pilot program in 2018 and
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19 that was a result from when we were out on the trail with the trail crew
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doing maintenance we realized that a lot of the maintenance we were doing was
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user created damage that seemed avoidable.
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These are the areas that the
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trail or the trail masters operates and this is one of those slides where I'm
not
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going to read every single thing but some key points to take away are that in
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2023 Utah State University did an assessment of the program and one other
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takeaway is that it does enhance visitor experience and then for 2024 I
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have a graph here that I can break down in more detail if you have questions
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but basically we've tried to increase our impact in our reach every year so
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that graph has been trending up and we have contacted people from I think it
says
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48 states on here that's now 49 states so North Dakota is the only one missing
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and then they've talked to people from all over the world as well.
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Looking back
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in 2024 2025 some highlights are the award that I mentioned previously we've
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tweaked the OHV ambassador scope of work to include a bit more trail
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maintenance because that was a desire that was expressed by the MTC the
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Motorized Trail Committee and then we've also responded to some requests from
the
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Commission proactively reaching out to organizations that are coming here
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providing the literature planning information and one trend we've been
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seeing this year is that folks who have talked to trail ambassadors previously
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are incorporating that into their trip so they're they're coming out to see
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ambassadors and get our new sticker for the year so we're updating our sticker
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every year to think of a bit of a collectible item.
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Here are some photos of the trail ambassadors the non-motorized and the
motorized program and also this is a an all-trails review that includes the
ambassadors so we're starting to see reviews of the ambassadors pop up online.
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These are some photos from the Motorized
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Trail Committee Workday so this is led by MTC but you can see Helton was out
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there helping them and one thing I'll note is that our full-time and part-time
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FOHV ambassador positions are funded by a grant and that grant cycle is open
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right now the deadline is July 31st and so either July 1st or 15th I'll be
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coming to the Commission looking to review that funding with the new
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application for 2026 and 2027.
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One subset of the trail ambassador program I want to talk about is our Healthy
Trails Initiative.
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For better or for worse we've
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become a bit famous for having people in poop costumes dancing on the
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internet and so I think a reasonable person would ask why and the reason for
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that is that you know even though it seems kind of frivolous on its face human
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waste in recreation areas is a serious concern because of public health there's
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a lot of pathogens in human waste and if those areas if certain areas have an
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issue with it they can be closed to use and then also it has a negative
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impact on both residents and visitors who are visiting these spaces so they're
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coming for an experience in nature and if they encounter human waste that
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degrades everyone's experience.
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So the way we've found that's best to approach
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the public about this issue is humor and people are receptive they like a poop
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suit so we have the dancing poop costume on the face but then behind that
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there are certain metrics that we look at to see if we're succeeding in that
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goal of raising public awareness about this issue so some of the metrics we can
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look at are the number of wag bags sold by local businesses the more
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people know about wag bags the more they're buying the number of poop of the
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plan posters that we have in businesses I believe they currently have 63 local
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businesses with posters in their businesses the number of conversations
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we're having with folks on the trail and then we can also actually look at
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the weight of human waste collected by the solid waste special service district
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so in 2023 it was about eight and a half tons of human waste last year I just
got
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the numbers from them they said it was about 17 tons of human waste collected
so
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that as for that amount is double the year before and I looked it up it's the
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equivalent weight to a school bus full of children and then we can also look at
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discovermoab.com has a little has a poop page and we can look at how many
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people have viewed that and that can be an indicator too of how much the word
is
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getting out and then finally one trend we're seeing that is really positive is
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that events are starting to become more aware of this issue so Jeep Safari
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actually requested their own wag bag receptacle this year some other
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projects so in 2024 we finished the desert is different video series with
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crux this aligns with the forever mighty campaign by by the Utah
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tourism and it's currently being used kind of a small-scale it needs a
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promotion plan so I think and then 2025 working on the back of beyond podcast
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which came to Commission a few weeks ago and that's nearing completion so these
are
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projects that we're working on collaboratively with the Bob office of
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tourism finally social media outreach is another portion of the response work
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program so we make posts about trail conditions trail tips and a kid waste all
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of those things so some key numbers to look at our post views are over half a
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million for 2024 and then the number of individual accounts reached is close to
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half a million so that's individual people who have seen our go up stuff
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going out okay switching tasks so that was our two main programs another big
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thing we're working on this year is the non motorized trail master plan
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update our existing plan was last updated in 2011 it's supposed to be
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updated every five years so different update we got a grant for $90,000 from
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you dot and we got $30,000 from the city of Moab to do this plan and the
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previous plan was primarily recreation trails and so what's different this
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time around since we're expanding that scope to include an active
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transportation system component and that includes the city of Moab this is
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a snapshot of the current plan that we have so there's a ton of information in
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here one thing that we're excited to do now that technologies evolved a lot
since
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2011 is to have a more interactive map and just sort of modernize it these are
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some examples of different plans that we're using for inspiration there's a
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timeline so we are squarely in stakeholder interviews and then we are
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finalizing our online survey that will go out to the public so this will be
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pushed out broadly a last section community events and outreach so to start
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with we have a variety of different ways we interact with business businesses
and
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have business partnerships so like I mentioned we have signage so we have
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that hoop of the plan but we also have other types of signage we provide to
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businesses when they request it from us and so we have I believe it's over 350
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different signs and posters out at 63 businesses some of those are large they
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might hotel they might have them in every room this plan for your Moab
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adventure is one that we hand out as well in addition to the poop one this
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is professionally designed it's all vetted by partners which is a bit of a
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process we also do communication trainings we had seven last year or
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scheduling those to the fall and those have a really good response rating
people
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have recommended them to their peers and then we also assist with the guide
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summit so for folks who haven't participated in this this is a
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voluntary training for guides it's well attended this last year there was 15
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different agencies federal and state agencies involved in it and over 115
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participants and so we help organize that and participate in it these are
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survey results so it is appreciated by the business community and then finally
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our volunteer program so Grand County is responsible for maintaining over 170
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miles of trail we have six field staff so the way we make that work is that we
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rely heavily on volunteers to help us with that mission and we have a few
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different types of volunteer programs we have our monthly trail works days
trail
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work Wednesdays we have an adopter trail program we have a volunteer trail
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ambassador program and then we also have relationships with schools and
churches
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so they contact us ahead of time and we'll get their group scheduled on the
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calendar and then we also have events so the spring spruce event is our
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biggest event that we have in LA this is our third time doing it we had 11
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organizations and different projects and I believe it was 75 of it was donated
of
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the expense of the event was donated by local businesses and then 25% was
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funded by the city this is a list of all the different projects so for this
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event we it's the focus is basically just work on public lands and so we
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have hiking equestrian not biking motorized climbing all types of projects
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and then we also had them on BLM land Utah open lands Utah Raptor State Park
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hosted several projects in the city as well my last slide I wanted to end on
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this one so because volunteers are such a major part of how we kind of keep
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these trails up and running we have an end-of-year volunteer event it's an
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appreciation event 33 different businesses last year donated over
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seven thousand dollars to the event to make it happen which we very much
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appreciate and this is just a time to have all our great volunteers and
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partners come appreciate them and I want to extend an invitation to all of
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you for this year to join us. Okay any questions?
Chair Bill Winfield:
That was a lot and you moved along quite quickly, we appreciate that. Thank you
very much.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
I can add one thing to the volunteers portion of it, which is that volunteers
help with the
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on-the-ground work and another piece of that is that in the eyes of the the
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grants their hour is also worth about $33 per per hour and so when volunteers
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come out and help us they help us with the work on the ground but also we're
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able to show that that's our community investment and use that as part of our
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match for grants so we can get money from the state to fund our staff who
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manage the volunteers who help fund that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
One quick question, why is the deadline November 14th for the Mud Springs trail
system, for building?
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
so so that whole project it's gone phase one has gone through the NEPA process
and
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during that process they identify that there is several different wildlife
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considerations so in the spring there's migratory bird nesting habitat and then
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in the winter there's elk and mule deer migration and so those dates are
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based on when those migrations will happen and then it just so happens that
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they kind of all link up to each other so we have basically August 1st through
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November 14th each year that's our only build window.
Chair Bill Winfield:
It would seem a little odd that you have to stop construction but we allow
mountain
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bikers out there after we've got the trails built.
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
it will actually be closed in the winter as well. There's two reasons for that
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there's wildlife also blood springs is true to it's very muddy out there so
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it's actually yeah it's a good thing for it to be closed because folks riding
out
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there are gonna end up with a lot of clay on their bikes so when what's the date in the spring where they where mountain bikers...
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
I'll have to check. There's a few a few different winter issues out there.
Chair Bill Winfield:
thank you move on we will start with some commission member disclosures if
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anybody has anything Mike my wife works for the sheriff department all right
the My standard- my son works for Sand Flats.
Chair Bill Winfield:
we will move into our Commission reports and Trish I will let you start us okay
I will try to go very fast on the night we had a planning Commission meeting
we're
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gonna be talking about that we specifically talked about HD HO so I
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won't go into that I did talk to Steven after that meeting because I felt like
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there was some kind of open issues and I hope you're gonna speak about that
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and on the 10th I had a conservation district meeting a couple quick things
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NRCS and Monticello they were concerned about their lease that that was being
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rescinded by the Trump administration that has been they're still gonna stay
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in that building so that's great they have lost 35 people statewide and they
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lost their IRA funding and jointed wheat goat grass is becoming an issue
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specifically in the county right away I did actually end up emailing Izzy and
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Bill Jackson about that so just kind of let them know and they have begun
spraying
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grasshoppers specifically on South people said Fisher Valley they're quite
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bad the water shed coordinator Arnie's position that position has closed and
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there's some really good applicants so we're looking forward to getting
somebody
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into position and then hauling water for livestock has begun due to extensive
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drought conditions on the ground on the 10th I had a cemetery board meeting
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there are five burials in May this was kind of an interesting thing they
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exhumed the body of Robbie Curie who was found in Arches National Park in 1983
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as a missing persons and so that person had eventually been identified and they
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had moved his body back to his family grave in Provo so that's kind of an
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interesting aside on the 12 CCP in price that's always a huge meeting there's
so
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much I tried to kind of distill it down you got as you guys know the trail gap
is
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in design on the Colorado River they completed the high visited those
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visibility painting and reduced speed limit signs here in the valley
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Colorado River Authority Mark Stilson talked about they are now we're
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getting very close to their negotiations they're hoping that that will
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be done by June and they're looking at actual the natural flow regime on the
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Colorado River instead of just some arbitrary number so that's great the
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division of outdoor rec was there and he did say that ORI funds are
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underutilized and he mentioned that they do have a trail crew down here
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and they've been working in Grand Staff Canyon the National Park Service was
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there and they did mentioned that timed entry they're having less issues with
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turnarounds about in April about 3% less issues with turnarounds people that
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did not have reservations they also mentioned from July 7th August 27th they
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have that pause on time entry the needles district got a solar system which
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is awesome to replace that's always been run by diesel power generators so
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pretty amazing and let's see the BLM stated that there was gas and oil wells
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being drilled near Cisco and there's an up-taking uranium exploration in both
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yellow cat and black cat the state state fire and state lands or sorry
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forest fire and state lands they're doing mitigation up around the Willow
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Basin area and the fire season has begun which you guys can probably tell
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there's been some fires down around landing and Utah wrapped there you know
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we know that it's open and they're hoping to get some new bike mountain
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bike systems in place and a trail up to the dinosaur quarry and then I did have
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a youth meeting just yesterday with you daft Department of Ag again talking
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about conservation easements and we hope to get a workshop put together soon
and
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then lastly I just kind of want to make a statement I'd like to extend my
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deepest condolences to the friends and family of Minnesota State Representative
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Melissa hortman and her husband that were assassinated in their home on
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Saturday hortman and her husband leave behind two children I want to praise the
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outpouring of empathy extended by both Republicans and Democrats alike that
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being said I also want to highlight the disgrace that I felt by our own senator
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Mike Lee who made it a mockery of the style act our representatives should
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
exude grace and empathy I am saddened by his behaviors gone busy couple of weeks right after the last meeting I attended an audit
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
committee meeting along with Bill and Brian we talked about the external audit
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
request for proposal and we also talked about that need for our opponent units
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
those are the smaller kind of SSDs that the better sprinkled around the county
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
that need to come forward with all of their particular audits so that the
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
county can complete its audit and submit it on time the submittal date for
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Clark County is on June 30th so we talked about ways to get some of those
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
component units in line and enable them to get their submissions in on time we
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
also scheduled another meeting in light of that especially in light of the
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
external out of RFP for June 13th so I'll skip down to that one too so we had
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
another one last Friday we met with other external auditor John
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Hatterly from Larson was at that meeting again we talked about ways to get
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
component units to submit on time that's kind of the holdup right now because
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
it's it is crucial that we get our idea in a timely manner another thing that
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
that John Hatterly brought up was that he said the state auditor reached out
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
to him and that they asked Larson as our external auditor to look into our TRT
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
compliance or aspects of it and they just tasked him with that the day before
so he
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
was processing that and he said that was kind of a unique ask and he came
across
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
as being uncomfortable without it it sounded like he thought that that went
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
beyond the external auditor scope of work in that it makes them interpret law
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
whereas their daughters as he put it just dealing black and white so that's
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
that's something that came out of that meeting and let's see I'll go back then
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
on the and I invite Bill and Brian can flush that out a little bit too I'm sure
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
they have other takeaways from those two meetings June 9th had another
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
meeting with the audit committee just kind of informal when Steven already
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
talked about better ways to get through our just just looking back at it in
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
light the new law and like the new audit findings that the TRT and how we
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
could make that a little bit easier for the county and everybody how I can
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
expedite the process and hopefully come into compliance and work through things
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think that meeting went pretty well and that meeting I think is agenda item
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
16 which is establishing metric for some of that past iteration of the law
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
TRT money let's see I'm June 10th had a trail mix meeting that was a great
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
meeting also Bill and Steven were in attendance at that we had a discussion of
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
OMA as it pertains to those those committees trail mix is a bit of a
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
unique committee and that they have regular citizens who have attendance
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
requirements and then it can be voted on to be members of that committee so we
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
talked about some of the challenges of that how we might just make it a little
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
bit more just come you know as Steve would say best practices and and make
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
sure that everything is presented to the public in an optimal way we talked
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
about potentially using an owl if there's meetings and definitely getting
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
recordings of the meeting to a good reporting of that one and posting it to
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
the state site etc we also talked about some of the mud spring stuff that
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Maddie just filled us up on or photos on and again it's due to start August
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
first hopefully we'll get the entire phase one complete and then we should
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
have a mega course which I'm extremely excited about if we could have it a race
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
here in the Valley next year that would be great for everybody business and
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
the bike teams here and and all the high school programs as well also had
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
an update on the non-motorized trail master plan as Maddie alluded to
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
there's gonna be stakeholder meetings coming up here really quickly the first
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
one is in two days it's on Thursday the 19th at 2 p.m. at the mark so if you
want
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
to go talk to them about the non-motorized trail master plan then you
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
can show up for that there's also a new piece of single track that Maddie had
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
mentioned open at the brands trails which is always exciting it's not that
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
long but it's connector from the Copper Ridge Road to the lazy trail let's
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
see on the 11th along with along with Melanie and Bill we hosted Steve Waldrup
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
who is the governor's housing head housing representative or affordable
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
housing representative housing representative Steve Waldrup's awesome if
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
anyone is familiar with him he was a former representative he knows his stuff
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
inside now he asked great questions Bill put together a really nice itinerary
to
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
take him on we went to USU and talked about some of the projects that are going
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
on there for like housing for potentially housing for students then attended a
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
feature like tech project just basically do east of the campus over off of this
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
it's milk creep right and that looks that that looks like a great project it's
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
gonna be multifamily housing to the tune of was it 420 units I think
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
something like in a couple of phases so not immediately but it but it looks
like
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
they're gonna be breaking ground here in a couple of months and I was really
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
excited about that it is in the city but it had it really honestly had a bit
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
on my radar so I think that's something that we haven't talked about a lot but
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
it is going to be some good housing that's going to be becoming available
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
for folks in the county soon we attended a feature like tech project
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
over at the current or the old assembly of God Church and then had a nice
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
ththo discussion with Steve also and I just want to commend him for coming
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
down and talking to us just all the all the respect in the world does a great
job
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and thanks for putting that together bill also tssd that same night set up a
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
workshop we need to go over bylaws and rules there's going to be workshop
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
on Monday also so they've asked we said to get involved a little bit some
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
representatives who came out and recommended that they add guy to their to
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
some of their current water drops in their spring to see if it comes through
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
to the spring site they're discussing developing to see if that's actually new
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
water or old water they they thought that would be the first
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
step and help you develop that old spring site
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
also with course I talked about priorities that they need to get
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
on with and the number one priority is to get Ryan Bell who's the water
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
operator out in Thompson's help he's just been getting behind and behind
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
he's also our operator for the city of Moab so he kind of does the awesome
stuff
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
when he's not working here and he's been very busy also there's a lot of basic
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
maintenance that's needed around the facility over at the SSD so we talked
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
about using this a little bit of money to just hire out some small jobs like
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
weeding and basic maintenance in those areas and also tssd did that day submit
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
their audit component to Grand County so that's
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
one more step let's see also attended a responsible
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
RIC committee meeting on Friday
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
yeah just wanted to they went over some of the trail ambassador stuff they're
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
shifting focus and cutting down the program for the summer it's hot they're
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
shifting focus to Milk Creek at the hikers there
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and then for the mountain biking up at porcupine campground
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
a lot of people ride the whole enchilada trail in the summertime and it's hot
and
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
you get a lot of people coming through there and that's kind of the last spot
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
where people can bail off the whole enchilada
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
before they go down porcupine rim which is which is long and hot
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
usually takes people three or four hours to get down to the river
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
so it's nice to have people stationed there with water and
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
advice also as Maddie said the OHVR grant committee
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
visited to to look at our the motorized ambassador program
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and we should be looking at a grant here in the next couple of weeks
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
also looked at shifting some of the the kind of the motorized part of the
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
program to include some sort of a trail component trail project
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
component which i think would be pretty cool
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and let's see if that was about it there i've talked about the spring
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
spruce up which was a great success most volunteers ever this year most
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
projects and i think everybody's seen the results
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
from now and let's see that's it for my reports just real quick for the public too i know you mentioned using an owl
Chair Bill Winfield:
for those that don't know what an owl is oh i'm sorry yeah thanks bill
Chair Bill Winfield:
it's um actually a video and recording
Chair Bill Winfield:
mechanism that can be used for our meeting so
Chair Bill Winfield:
as much as we'd like to have an actual owl for their wisdom
Chair Bill Winfield:
this is um a technical it's yes have an actual owl Mike go ahead i attended the grand county
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
transportation special service district meeting
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
the owl did come up in my meeting also they'd like to
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
have their meetings reported or publicized uh
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
just in random form but in video form uh
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
they accepted uh a big proposal from la grande johnson at
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
repaving repaving and fixing the shoulders from
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
the spanish valley drive uh four-way stop uh just down from the spanish trail
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
trail uh out to the county line uh
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
redoing uh la grande johnson our local business will be
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
doing uh redoing that paving because it
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
of give or take seven hundred thirty thousand dollars four hundred eighty six
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
seven hundred thirty thousand seven hundred thirty one thousand dollars
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
uh the competing bid was almost double that
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
uh just because la grande is a local company
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
is the reason why the bids were so far apart
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
uh i actually you'll be all receiving an email here
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
before me uh shortly i'm unable to to attend the recreation
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
special service district meeting uh tomorrow night i will be happening on
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
the river but uh it is an important meeting to attend
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
seeing that it will go into our budgeting meeting
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
on monday our special committee so if anyone you'll see an email here in a
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
little bit if anyone could attend that it's just
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
to catch dates and then take that into the budgeting
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
meeting for me uh other than that uh for future future
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
consideration i wish i could have said it earlier
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
with the clapping and everything but i'd like to uh resurrect uh the
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
acceptance of the grant and the rfp's i'd like to look at that proposal after
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
our budgeting meeting on the 23rd for the pickleball courts so i'd like to
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
bring that back up coming in for next commission meeting past
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
the budgeting meeting but other than that that's about it very good mary i guess so i i was uh in Salt Lake helping my
Commissioner Mary McGann:
daughter last week and i was in Durango this week so
Commissioner Mary McGann:
i don't have much to report on i would love to attend the meeting for you but
Commissioner Mary McGann:
tomorrow's my solid waste so i won't be able to but i do have a
Commissioner Mary McGann:
future consideration i think it'd be great if we had the
Commissioner Mary McGann:
housing task force come in and do a presentation on
Commissioner Mary McGann:
their dashboard it's pretty amazing and i think it'd be
Commissioner Mary McGann:
really good if we understood how it worked and what is offered on it so that's a future consideration. Thank you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner Martinez, would you like to join us?
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I'd love to join you guys, hello.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um so i'll try to keep it quick um let's see on the 17th i was also there at
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that uh i'm sorry on the 4th yeah the 4th i
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
was there on the uh audit committee review um
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
audit committee let's see we reviewed the internal audit report
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and then there was discussion on the inter on the airport funds that had been
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
mixed up with the general fund projects and then there was also suggested
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
direction for the internal auditor to look into the GCAT airport and TRT funds um and then i think Jacques talked about the RFP for
the external auditor is ready but has not gone out to bid yet
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um on the 10th i attended a meeting with amy hoss
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
who is the executive director of the colorado river authority of utah
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um and so she was talking about the informal deadline has passed on the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
interim interstate negotiations for consensus
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
framework and that's the agreement that deals with the lake pal
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and lake mead operations which expires in 2026
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um neither the upper or lower basins um have completely bought into anything to
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
any of the alternatives right yet um but they are like trish had mentioned
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
developing a new kind of little creative idea that's going to be based around
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
natural flow um on their for their base operations
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and that's kind of where the flow will be based on the average flows of the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
river and they'll also have a minimum and a
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
maximum on that um it's kind of funny but you know i've
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
read a little bit people are kind of thinking of it as a little bit like a
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
divorce between the upper and the lower basin states
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
with glenn canyon is the uh the connector right there
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
second let me keep going here um the neat thing about it is it's going
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to spread the burden of the hydrology between the upper and the lower basin
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
states uh and right now they're modeling it
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
the uh the average flow on a three-year period
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um the minimums on that's going to be 4.7 million acre feet
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
uh and that's to not affect the infrastructure and then the maximum on
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that's going to be 12 million acre feet not to cause any kind of spill over
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
the problem that they're having right now is the percentage
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
of the natural flow from Lake Powell the upper basin is looking at a number
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
about 55 percent and the lower basin wants to see 75
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
percent coming on down there um and then the other thing that she
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
also mentioned is that it doesn't really matter it might not
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
matter exactly what comes out of the bureau
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
out of the negotiations because the bureau of rec might not accept
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
this type of uh deal just kind of as is um
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
which and then after this is all kind of put in you know if they do go to this
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
natural flow it'll kind of be up to the upper basin
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
states right to all buy into the conservation
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
need so either which way we're still going to be
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
having um you know conservation to be looking
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
after the last thing that she updated us on
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
was the forecast for the Lake Powell inflow
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and that came in at 54 percent right now
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
also that that averages out to be about 5.1 million acre feet
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
so that is pretty concerning um that same day i went to the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Moab tourism advisory board and there was a quite a lot that happened inside of
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that meeting um we'll be discussing the um
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
the bylaw rewrite a little bit later so i won't go into that
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
but there's a new website that is live um and the project was completed on time
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
with a lot of good uh with a lot of hard work so
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
congratulations to the team for getting that taken care of
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
they ask that businesses go and look at their listings
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um and then email any problems that they have to
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
uh m seleta that's m s o l e t a
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
at discovermoab.com if they need to update their listings
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um we also approve TRT application process
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
for a 20 for their 2026 recommendation letter
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um that should be pretty neat and be able to
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
kind of just help help figure out you know how they how they think that the uh
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
the TRT mitigation and the TRT uh promotion funds
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
should be spent um we got an update from madden who's the new marketing agency
and
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
they're working fast to get ads in market right now
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and then we also discussed the metrics for the six percent target growth
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
right there and they kind of came up with the restaurant tax the city
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
resort tax and the rural hospital tax and then
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
they'll do it end of the year with the c gardener report when those numbers
come
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
out um on the 11th i attended the chamber
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
of commerce meeting um and right now they're working on a
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
business survey seeing if there's any interest
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
in businesses being involved or open for the weekend of the electric light
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
parade um they're looking to try to make
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
it a weekend event to boost visitation and activities for residents
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
they also had some interest to see if the county would be willing
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to put some lights up over the bridge that crosses the colorado river right
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
there um they just had their golf tournament
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
they raised fifteen thousand dollars three thousand of that is going to be
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
going to a scholarship uh let's see also on the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
11th i attended the water conservation workshop
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
with guissa um let's see there's going to be the one of
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
the things that came out of that meeting is is they requested that the county
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
adopt a landscape ordinance that'll allow residents to claim the two dollar
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
per square foot for replacing grass with water efficient landscaping
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um so myself commissioner mccandless and stephen stocks have started that
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
process and we're going to try to start
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
getting that moving moving along um the 2025
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
conservation plan will be discussed at this week's
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
guissa meeting as well on the 12th i attended the motorized trail committee
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and uh we had a presentation from the uh for maddie there about the oh
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
i'm sorry the ohrv grants motorized trail ambassador program
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
uh they're also going to have a rake and ride on the 28th
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
of this month at lackey basin up in the lisales
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um and then there was a thing that the draft ea
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
for e-bikes is looking to be out at the end of june
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and let's see here and then also on the 27th of september for public lands day
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
uh they're looking at projects for cliffhanger or the lost world trail
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
right now um on the 13th i was at the audit committee
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um the component units that we're still waiting on is the solid waste
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
ems the recreation district and the moab valley fire
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um let's see here uh we kind of talked about a possibility of grand county
maybe
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
assisting with the percentage of the audits of the component units
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to try to get them to use the same auditor as grand county
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
um maybe that would kind of help incentivize them to
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to get everything in on time uh we also set a meeting to discuss the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
deadlines with the component units to encourage more timely delivery
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and financials i think that's been set and then john hatterley uh like jock had
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
said noted a conversation with the state auditor asking him to test our trt to
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
ensure compliance uh john also noted on that that the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
state audit audit auditor's office is aware that
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
component units are due but suggested that we take care of
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
trail ambassador issues as soon as possible so the
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
financials are correct i think that's all i got thanks Thank you Brian. All right, Melodie.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
felt really really busy but most people talked about a lot of the things i was
at
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
or i've watched the meetings but um monday the ninth i was went to the
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
council on aging raven from the all timers association spoke
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
about services that they offer and they're committed to helping here
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
especially helping for dementia caregivers so if you go to the grand
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
our grand county care grand center well facebook page
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
they try to post what when she's coming down and i think that's on a
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
monthly basis didn't um go with on the you the housing
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
tour with steve walder that was great times that i know jock covered most of
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
things we talked about thursday the 12th they had a staff we
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
had a sand flat stewardship meeting um as of may end of may 2025
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
it's down 2.5 compared to 2024 they did mention the update on the e-bike
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
environmental access public comment that would be hopefully
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
available by june 30th um our comments be made on that they are
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
going to be having the star parties again this year
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
so there'll be the additional information coming out in star parties
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and they also have a really cool event it's going to be getting going on up
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
there it's going to be a walk along um theater
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
project i think the city helped fund that but it's what it really needs i
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
know there's flyers around town about that that's coming up later this
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
fall and then i also went to the county lands health care special service
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
district we reviewed the audit we got our
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
financials in and also approved the cib application for the master plan
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
for the feasibility study for the continuation of the maps area over by the hospital very good thank you i attended a
Chair Bill Winfield:
zoom call with ui there's a couple of items that
Chair Bill Winfield:
were discussed property tax and centrally assessed
Chair Bill Winfield:
i think um we're wearing out the centrally assessed
Chair Bill Winfield:
issue and not seeming to get anywhere with it but it looks like they're going
Chair Bill Winfield:
to try and tackle that again in this next year's legislative session
Chair Bill Winfield:
so that's what came out of that one i mean i was in
Chair Bill Winfield:
many of the same media was that both jock and brian and
Chair Bill Winfield:
melody at different points i wasn't in a civ
Chair Bill Winfield:
meeting um got a little bit emotional when nazi zanadi gave his goodbye as he
Chair Bill Winfield:
is leaving that board after 12 years i believe but
Chair Bill Winfield:
was quite interesting to hear his history and
Chair Bill Winfield:
his immigration to this country from i believe pakistan
Chair Bill Winfield:
so it's quite interesting there although we approved quite a few different
Chair Bill Winfield:
projects around the state at the cib meeting
Chair Bill Winfield:
which was held over in cedar city and then one of them that i abstained on the
Chair Bill Winfield:
boat was was the approval of an emergency loan for
Chair Bill Winfield:
grand county for a new airport fire engine and that will
Chair Bill Winfield:
allow us to get a new engine on order which takes
Chair Bill Winfield:
almost two years to complete that process and eventually
Chair Bill Winfield:
the faa will possibly refund that in the future and we can pay the cib loan
Chair Bill Winfield:
back so that loan was for 1.4 million and change with a one percent
Chair Bill Winfield:
interest fee on it which was quite good and i'm very
Chair Bill Winfield:
personally that my peers voted to move that forward for grand county as i
Chair Bill Winfield:
abstained just all there i was also on the steve
Chair Bill Winfield:
walder trip which was very good to hear what usu has planned for future housing
Chair Bill Winfield:
up there as well and then they're working with a
Chair Bill Winfield:
developer on that currently and then the two light tech programs
Chair Bill Winfield:
as well was um i'm excited to see some of that come on
Chair Bill Winfield:
board i was in the audit committee meetings that have been
Chair Bill Winfield:
fairly well represented by both jock and brian
Chair Bill Winfield:
as well and i think for me that's it as well so i'll move on to the elected
Chair Bill Winfield:
officials reports steven if you'd like to sure um we'll invite him to a couple meetings as commissioners know and maybe the
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
public uh just for all your guys is
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
excited for the phone if you invite me to a meeting i will do my best to come
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
meeting um commissioner had the request i attended trail mix meeting we talked
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
about open uh answer some questions about what the
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
goals are for open and what it is that we're talking
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
about that leads me to another critical point
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
whenever we're looking at open public meetings acts it's really important for
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
individuals to be engaged in the meeting
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the reason why we have open public meetings is that the community can see
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
an open deliberation and discussion um
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that's hard because we all have lives and we all have other obligations
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but when we're when when folks are up on the dais we want to make sure
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
we're in their meetings they're not texting during the meetings we're emailing
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
because the perception could be is that you're getting some information or some
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
help on the conversation even though it might be somebody asking
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are you coming home before 10 o'clock tonight which the answer is no
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um and make sure that that you're focusing on those things because that's
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the idea of governance that's the idea of having these open and public
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meetings so just a reminder on that as we go
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through this process and try to do it boards
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at times we'll we'll kind of falter or kind of need training on a particular
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item sometimes it's quorum sometimes it's attendance sometimes it's
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voting when the meeting hasn't been noticed upright and so we have to redo
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the meeting those things happen if you're ever
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confused if commissioners would like me to attend a board to kind of sit down
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and talk with them um some boards you know i've had the
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opportunity to attend the library board
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and some of the other unique boards i don't have the
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council on key or the council on aging i haven't gone to that meeting yet
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if you folks would like me to go to the boards let me know samford chairs or
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other folks on commissions or committees or study groups or advisor
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boards happy to do that um similar to that i attended the
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m tab meeting we'll be talking a lot more
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about that so i'll skip that part um
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i i want to say also and i'll echo the concerns that commissioner dean had
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there was a shooting this weekend there was somebody that went out and
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specifically targeted elected officials uh two people were killed and two
people
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were severely injured there were other people that were on
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the list you tried to go to a u.s attorney's house
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and try to go to somebody else's house it is
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terrifying when elected officials are targeted
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elected officials should be able to speak their peace
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and we should always play the idea not the man and that's
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really important and i know politics have gone
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and everywhere from nationally and locally to everything in between
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gotten a lot more focused on the individual we need to play the topic not
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the man and i vehemently oppose any violence
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whatsoever i'm excited to say there was a there
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was a protest this weekend people did it peacefully that's what the game is
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that's how it's set up you are protected and having free speech
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if you do it in a safe and non-violent way and it is exceptionally
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concerning when people are being killed and tracked their
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house uh i as a prosecutor as an elected
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those things need to be down cried they're not there they need to be
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highlighted they need to be made an example of
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um and so i wanted to state that i think that's something the community
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and nationwide public wherever that is not something that should stand
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that is not something that should be accepted
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so just want to make that note and that's everything i have thank you pretty good we have coven Mr.
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
Coughman please thank you you able to hear me all right
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yes sir wonderful uh chris coffman grand county treasurer
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i'm here to present on the 2024 collections investments and other
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updates i do see you have a very full agenda so i will try to keep it fairly
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brief um i do want to apologize i had planned
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to be in person at this meeting today but i was
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at a called up to a meeting at the capitol this morning where
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ux staff and other county elected officials met with
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the bill sponsor from a piece of legislation last year which i will talk
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about later in my presentation so i apologize for that
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but moving on one of my main jobs in the treasurer's office is to collect
property
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taxes and one of the important statistics
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that i calculate every year for the state tax commission is our collection
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rate and a lot of you have heard me talk
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about this year after year but some of you are new so i'll just
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cover it briefly it's the proportion of the taxes that
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we ask for versus the amount that we actually
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get and we don't get everything we ask for it because some people can't or
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don't pay their taxes some taxes are abated
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or canceled and so that collection rate is actually factored into the
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certified tax rate calculation that the state tax commission does
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every year and the state basically says look we know you're not going to get
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all the taxes you ask for therefore we're going to allow you to
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ask for more so that you come close to to that target budget amount that
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you're looking for the end result is that the better job
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that we can do at collecting taxes the less taxes we're going to have to ask
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for so that's why i keep a close eye on our collection rate
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and i do everything that i can to improve it because it saves
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our taxpayers money unfortunately 2024 was not
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a good news year on the property tax collection front
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similar to 2023 we had a handful of very large mostly businesses
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mostly hotels and condominiums that apparently were still struggling with
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the increase that they saw in the in the revaluation of the
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commercial properties that happened in 2023
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and that really had a major impact on our collection rate driving it down
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even lower than it was in 2023 so our collection rate this year was about 93.8
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percent versus 94.6 the year before
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and we had consistently seen rates in the 95 to 97 percent range prior to
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that i'm hoping that these businesses are
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able to figure out how to get their taxes paid
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on time given the new amounts that they have
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in front of them the silver lining to this is that it's
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not like we have a big problem with a wide
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range of different taxpayers unable to pay
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their taxes we really can point to a handful of very
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large delinquencies that are making a change
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in the collection rate here the downside is that
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we're going to have to ask for approximately two hundred and fifteen
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thousand dollars more in taxes next year than we would have
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if the collection rate hadn't dropped i should mention that the state tax
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commission uses a five-year average of the collection rate in their
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calculation so in your packet you'll notice i have a couple graphs
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one of our collection rate over the years the other of the five-year average
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and you can see the five-year average did drop a little bit
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but that that is evened out by the prior good years that we've had
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when we compare grand county's collection rate to other counties
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right now in 2025 we're right about in the middle of the other counties
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but when you look at a 10-year time span
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we have done a lot in improving our collection rate and we have the seven
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largest increase in our collection rate compared to other counties
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and again looking at sort of that 10-year time span
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had our collection rate stayed the same that it was in 2014
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we would have collected or charged rather about five point one million
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dollars more than we have so it really has been a benefit to our
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taxpayers to get that rate up and i'll continue to
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focus on that and and do the best that we can to
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increase that rate i also take a look at our
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collection rate for back taxes so these are delinquent taxes
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that people haven't paid in the prior mostly five years
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and this year was a 2024 rather was a good year
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for back tax collections not only did we collect
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a large amount but we also did a good job at collecting
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a good percentage of that so our collection rate was about 76 percent
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which was one of the higher collection rates we've had over the last few years
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the amount that we collected was about 1.2 million
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probably the second highest amount we've ever collected
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unfortunately that is just because 2023 was
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not a great year for collection so there was a lot of back tax to collect
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but also if we take a look at the back taxes that are outstanding at
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the beginning of each year and compare that to the amount of taxes
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that we charged over the prior five years
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we can see that even though it was a very large amount
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outstanding in 25 it's still only about 1.5 percent of the
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taxes charged over five years so it's not nearly as high
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and percentage wise as it has been in the past
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that said we do hope that people start paying more on time and we don't
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have these back tax collections it's better for them they save the
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interest in the penalty and it keeps that collection rate down
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and helps all the other taxpayers at the same time
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any questions on property tax collections moving on then a couple
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great moving on we i also pay attention to a couple other things in my office
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very closely one of them is electronic payments every time that
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we receive a property tax payment electronically
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it is a major benefit to our office it's
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automatically downloaded into our system the payments automatically deposited
into
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our bank account and it has made huge increases in
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efficiency in our office and 2024 was a banner year for
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electronic payments we saw the total amount of payments
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increased by more almost two million dollars
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and we also saw the number of electronic payments go up substantially
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right now we are close to having about half of our payments
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come in electronically which is just a huge progress that we've had over the
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last 10 years in that area we also have an auto bill pay program
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which is increasing in popularity we had a good increase in the number of folks
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signed up for that it's a great system where you can set
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it up and have your property taxes paid automatically from your account
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it saves the taxpayers who want to do it time and effort
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and it's great for my office because those payments come in again
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automatically and electronically next we'll talk about investments in 2024
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fortunately this is a very good news story
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we benefited from having high balances in our savings
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and also from high interest rates in 2024
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so the total interest earned in our PTIF which stands for public treasures
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investment fund accounts soared to almost 1.9 million dollars
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in 2024 interest rates remained above five percent
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for almost the entire year they did start to drop in November and December
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but it was an excellent year for collections and that's even
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with the millions of dollars that were withheld for several months at the end
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of last year that we still saw an increase in our
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interest earnings
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we also have some investments that are outside of the PTIF
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and we've had some changes and exciting things happening there
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first of all it was a good year for those investments with the interest
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earned going up from 140,000 to 171,000
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we did have a pretty big change which is that our long-time investment advisor
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who used to work for Zions Capital Advisors moved to a company called Raymond
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James and I did some research on both companies
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I negotiated the same fee structure we had at Zions
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at Raymond James and felt comfortable following our investment advisor
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to the new company where he was given more resources
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and more opportunities for investing our money
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also late last year it really looked like the interest rate environment was
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going to be a declining one in 2025 and so I did move an additional 1.5 million
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dollars into our investments outside of PTIF
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our investments outside of PTIF tend to be longer term
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we're limited in how long term we can go I think five years is the maximum
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PTIF tends to be more like 90 days out so PTIF tends to track very closely
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the federal reserve rates and the interest rate changes
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so the outside investments can be sort of a hedge against that they can provide
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a little bit more stable income and especially when the interest rates
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looks like they're going to be falling it's a great place to get your money and
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to lock in some of those better rates and even though the interest rates have
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not fallen as quickly as expected due to tariffs due to recession where
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he's due to all sorts of things they're staying fairly high and we
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are able to lock in some really good rates there
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so that that's all a very good news story also the sweep account that we opened
a
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few years ago for our general fund checking has continued to do very well
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earning about seventy four thousand dollars last year
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and this is on money that normally would have just sat in our checking
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being there to cover our expenses but we're able to keep it invested now
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I was also able to open two new accounts this year
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I worked with Mountain America Credit Union and was able to negotiate with
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them a couple of accounts where we got a guaranteed rate that is above the
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p-tiff rate so every month they take the rate that p-tiff is paying
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and they add on in in the case of the general fund monies
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10 basis points and then that's the interest that we get
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so it's really kind of a no-brainer to just take that extra money
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I opened a sweep account for the property taxes so that again we that
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money can stay earning even when it's not in p-tiff
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and then I also opened a savings account and it's not just a straight
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savings account it's more like a money market but
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I moved some a substantial amount of money from p-tiff into that again
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because the interest rate is guaranteed to be higher
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and we should earn about twenty eight thousand dollars a year more
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just based on that margin between the p-tiff rate and the rate that we're
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guaranteed at Mountain America so that was another exciting part
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on the investment story and you know like I said interest rates have not fallen
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precipitously yet this year and so we can keep our fingers crossed that we
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continue to have good interest earnings for the rest of this year
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any questions on investments from any of the commissioners Doesn't look like it, Chris. Thank you.
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I've got just a couple other quick updates we do continue to offer email
notices
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for folks who want to stop receiving their tax bill or their valuation via
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the postal mail they can get it by email we're continuing to promote that
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and hoping that that continues to increase and you went silent Thomas Chris
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we're not hearing you okay can you hear me now yes we're golden
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sorry about that I just mentioned that we're continuing to offer
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email notices to folks who want to switch from postal mail to email tax bills
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or valuation notices and I also wanted to do a quick update on SB 197 which
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was the bill that was proposed to switch tax abatements to deferrals
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like I said we had a meeting this morning with the bill sponsor at the
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Capitol trying to work on some areas of common ground and I think that
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unfortunately this is an issue that even though the governor vetoed the
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bill is not going to go away the senator certainly intends to bring it
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back in another form until he feels like he's addressed the issues that
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and concerns that he has so I'll give more updates on that as they come
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along but thank you so much for your time I also wanted to mention
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that I am traveling home from that meeting and I do have another agenda
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item and I hope to be able to call in for it if I happen to be out of range
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at that time if you don't mind postponing it I will certainly be coming
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back into range and be able to do it later on in the evening yeah and we'll try and move that up Chris in an attempt I'll let you know when we're
Chair Bill Winfield:
done with our consent and then if you are not in range then we'll
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come at the later so it works when yeah I'm sure you're coming over
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soldier summit there where it's limited service could we do it now
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yeah actually are you are you able to do it now Chris we'll just move that item
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up it's number nine will that work for you
Chair Bill Winfield:
absolutely okay then we'll just go ahead and move right into you're breaking up though with thank you so much I really appreciate that
I think he has to turn off his...yeah
I stopped my video so hopefully that will help
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
okay so I'm here to present approving some property tax deferrals for 2025
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every year it's my job to identify the property
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parcels that are eligible for tax sale and we do our best
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to help folks get those paid up in order to avoid the tax sale
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Grant County hasn't had a tax sale in over 15 years
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partly because we do our best to help people get
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paid up occasionally we do have some folks who aren't able to meet the
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deadline for paying all of their taxes and this year I did
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receive two applications for deferment these folks
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would be getting basically an additional year to pay those taxes
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to avoid the tax sale the grand total is about thirteen thousand dollars
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again that spread across all the taxing entities
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and these taxes don't go away they're just being deferred
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so that they can avoid the tax sale and have a little bit more time to pay
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and this is something that I bring to the commission most years so I'll entertain any questions all right it looks like Commissioner McCurdy
has
one I'd just like to make the motion I
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
move to approve the deferring of the presented property tax taxes until
November 30th 2025 second motion by Commissioner McCurdy seconded by
Commissioner Hadler any discussion? Being none I'll call for a vote all in
favor
that passes unanimously thank you Brian. Chris
appreciate you being able to hang in there and get that out to us
Chair Bill Winfield:
and then just for the public regarding the treasures report earlier if you go
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to our agenda item he has a great set of graphs in
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there that weren't able to be put up on the screen there and shared with
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the public but his entire thing is laid out there and
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it's actually very informative and simple enough that even I could follow it
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so all right we will let you go Chris thank you for your help there and we
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will start back up with
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yes commission administrator report Mr. Tyner yes sir Steve Gleason is the county's new airport director
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
and Shawn Yates is the new county engineer so we are glad to have them on
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
board both gentlemen have a lot of experience
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
and we look forward to their valuable contributions as we move forward.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Very good. Quinn, anything? you're
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always good all right thank you and we're still a
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bit shy of our six o'clock citizens to be heard maybe we can
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fit in the consent agenda how does this one
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okay so we're going to try the number five
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for Melodie's request only because we asked some presenters to come about 440 and it's
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
six o'clock and so since they've been sitting here I think we could
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
listen to them it's number five and then we can go back to
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
is that okay with everyone? Then they can stay if they want to but they don't
have to.
Chair Bill Winfield:
don't have to very good so who is presenting on that one number thank you can you all hear me oh it was right there
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
yes gave me okay thank you chair um you'll have to forgive me my it looks
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like my camera isn't working right now i would otherwise certainly have my
camera
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on when speaking i do apologize for that
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um and so it looks like we're up to item number five as was
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stated and that's determination of funding allocation for opioid settlement
funds
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and thank you for the to the for the idea for the presentations do we want to
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allow i guess um i'll just give a brief overview and
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then we can set back and set that up for the the
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recipient or the potential recipient organizations to
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to present and so the um there's a opioid
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there's this opioid settlement funding um that grand county agreed to enter in
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the one utah um opioid mo u
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and there are a number of schedules in that mo u that relates to
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um uses for the settlement funds and the county serves as a pass-through
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for these settlement funds and for the new commissioners that are
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that haven't seen one of these approvals or weren't around when these
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these funds first became available um we you know we did
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i did uh approach the the jail and the sheriff's office
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to see if there were ways that these funds could be used to
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support existing programming at the county that's already funded
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uh you know that we already you know support with our general funds
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um and that that wasn't the case in the way that it's
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in the way that it conforms with the the mo u and and
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opioid treatment in particular and so there are three organizations in the
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this is the third year that we would be renewing the third funding cycle
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and there are three organizations that have received the opioid funding and
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that's usara the wellness collective and the moab regional recovery center
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
and utah association of counties uac plays a large role in helping to
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
administer and provide all the information
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
uh needed for um you know just for passing through these funds helping
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
receive renewal requests and um as well as expenditure reports that
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
all kind of passes through uac um i will say um
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
there was uh katherine roads who's the uac representative
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
that it kind of takes the lead at uac she reached out to me because i i had
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
already submitted a report i believe it was on may 3rd at the
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
end of may the last day of may um that was a
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
report on the intended grand county's intended use of
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
funds for the for the following cycle um and there's an expenditure report for
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
the previous fiscal cycle due the 30th of this month
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
um and katherine did mention that there um
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
upon review of of you know the allocations that grand county has made
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
to organizations um there was sort there was a
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
a flagging or or a request for more information regarding
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
in particular the use of funds for trauma informed yoga
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
and that's one of the programs that the wellness collective offers
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
and so i reached out to brianne and i'm assuming that she's
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
going to be giving a presentation here um and brianne provided a very thorough
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
response describing the you know the intent behind trauma informed yoga the
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
credentials and the certifications and the exact process that that that entails
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
and i did share that information as well with attorney stocks
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
and we both felt that was a very strong clarification given
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
um and i circled back with katherine and and provided her that information
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
that we had reviewed it and it seemed very well satisfactory and
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
um that that was that sort of follow-up and investigation into the
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
use um what you know that she gave me an indication that that that was um
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
that was very satisfactory and sufficient um
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
to move forward um you know with that sort of use so i just wanted to go get
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
get right out ahead and and sort of outline that so
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
that's all i'll say um and yeah if we want to introduce the
Clerk/Auditor Gabe Woytek:
organizations thank you very much let me just okay so we have um we'll start with brianne from the wellness
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
collective brianne davis the director i have a little handout i'm gonna pass one around thanks for having me here today
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
um so i'm brianne davis and i we're a few different hats but
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
i'm here to represent the wellness collective
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and so for you those of you who don't know us very well we're a
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
a wellness center a non-profit wellness center surveying in the malab community
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
for the past two years and we serve individuals and families
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
offering holistic health programs that are all free or by donation
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and we're on a mission to foster a more resilient
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and inclusive thriving moab so since our opening which was may of
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
2023 we serve 2323 participants including 1574
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
through the opioid funded programs and so last month so just last may
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
2025 we had the highest attendance of any other
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
month in our history and that includes the opioid funded programs as well
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
um our focus is more on long-term recovery so
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
helping people stay well connected and preventing relapse
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
so with support with the oud settlement funding we've offered
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
recovery centered classes such as yoga with the 12 steps of recovery
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
community ear after puncture hikes to support recovery
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
therapeutic art and craft groups and trauma sensitive yoga
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and most of these offerings have been in collaboration or partnership with
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
usara and the recovery center and i personally feel that
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
the three of us are creating a real full circle of support
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
that meets people where they're at um i know that gave spoke at the concern
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
about the trauma sensitive yoga and whether it's appropriate for the use of
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
the opioid funds and so i just want to speak to that
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
that and i included on the handout some more information about it on the back
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
so the trauma sensitive yoga the tcts why it's called so that's trauma
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
centered trauma sensitive yoga it's not a recreational style yoga it's more
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
a clinical evidence-based model and it's used in
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
behavior behavioral health settings veterans programs and recovery centers
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
nationwide and it's more about nervous system
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
healing interoception and reclaiming self-agency
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and it is wanted so we surveyed attendees um
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
at the recent indigenous resource fair and the thrive mental health fair and
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
then the family support center's kite event
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and 60 of those surveyed said that they did want to see
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
trauma sensitive yoga available in our community
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and i i think that it's needed in our county we have
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
22 percent of adults reporting high a scores
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and that's above the utah average so that means one in four of us
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
are adults with heightened risk of substance use and long-term challenges
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
and so i can just speak to the fact that i'm one of those
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
four you know like i i grew up in a family with a lot of substance use and
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
trauma i lost a brother to fentanyl overdose a
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
couple years ago and so this work is really important to me
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
so thanks for listening and i'm really glad to be a peer support specialist in
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
the community helping other people navigate their own
Breann Davis - Wellness Collective:
path through recovery thanks for listening thank you for what you do and you know our condolences for your loss
Chair Bill Winfield:
and thanks it's it's heard our community in a big way thanks man and then Heidi Thompson is here with USARA
hello thank you guys for your time and consideration
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
um so yeah uh my name is Heidi Thompson i'm
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
a person in long-term recovery and um how you Sara has been using the
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
opioid epidemic funding is just continuing our services for the
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
community like where you said we all three all of the organizations we
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
partner really well together and we do a lot in the community we
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
will in this small community we all wear
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
multiple hats um but specifically with you Sara what we do
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
we do a lot of individual coaching so uh as people in long-term recovery
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
ourselves we use our lived experience to meet people where they're at and
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
just guide them on their own journey and then we also offer harm reduction
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
tools like Narcan we do Narcan
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
education for the community so explaining to people what Narcan is
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
it's a overdose reversal tool and we show people how to use it how to
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
identify overdose and we're able to provide that to
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
the community at no charge so that's extremely
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
beneficial um also fentanyl test strips uh that's
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
another huge thing that's taking over the community
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and it's completely saturated uh the you know substance supply so people
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
can be using it without even knowledge of
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
them using it so we also provide testing so people
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
test their substances before they use um
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and then we also do um sober social events that's one of our biggest
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
attended events monthly we try to do like a bowling event or we've been
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
doing these skate dates partnered up with Moab uh skate Moab
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and we also do offer all pathways meetings uh so like with the wellness
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
collective they come in through a yoga for us
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
which is a very heavy attendant we also do like a workout room can you play
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
basketball which is super cool and then we just do a general topic
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
discussion meeting and we also offer uh we're huge on acronyms
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
so so we offer a craft which is community reinforcement
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
family training that's for the loved ones of people that
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
they're struggling with substance use disorder so they have family members that
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
are using um we have support groups for them as
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
well we partner up with the recovery center
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and we're able to go into the gel and we do meetings there we also
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
um offer some of these harm reduction tools when
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
when people are released from gel they get a backpack
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and they're offered some of these tools as well so
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
so another way we partner with each other
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and just offer those services in the communities
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
also we show up in the recovery courts and we show up and support people that
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
way through we advocate for them we we show
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
and probation and and uh child and family team meetings with
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
dcfs so whatever these people are experiencing and whatever
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
systems they're navigating through we kind of just sit with them there
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
um and then uh just do outreaching um you know partnering up with with the
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
different um organizations and uh like i said
Heidi Thompson - USARA:
in a small town we all got to kind of come together and take care of our own so we do that however we best do you guys
have any questions for me
i think we're good we sure appreciate your time and you're coming in and
letting us know how it's going there
of course thank you guys again
I've got a two for her - I expect a basketball invite
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
two i'd like to do one more we have one more okay yep i'll sit there say your
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
time thank you guys thank you all right and then Doug Caylor and
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
or is it nora? Paula Cook from the recovery center our regional hospital yeah thanks for having us um so i'm
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
calling coke i'm an addiction medicine physician at the recovery center I'm Doug Caylor and I'm the Program Director.
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
at the yeah so we're grateful to have been
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
recipients of the okra assessment money the past two years
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
and acknowledge that opioid assessment money should be taken very seriously
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
especially in light of misappropriation of tobacco money
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
over the years so realizing that opioid use disorder is a significant threat to
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
families communities and people with the high mortality and morbidity rate
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we know that people who don't get treatment have a mortality rate of
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
about 20 percent a year and people who don't get treatment continue
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
in their disease at a rate of about 93 percent
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
so we're really grateful to partner with our partners who you've met
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
and other players in the community for corners and the free health clinic and
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
mrh the funds that we've been awarded in the
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
past have gone to the treatment of opioid use disorder
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we value our clinic as a clinic that provides
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
low barrier compassionate care we provide evidence-based treatment that's
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
funded excuse me foundationally based in medication
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
and also psycho social treatments so we provide
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
medications that help with cravings and withdrawal
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we provide therapy and groups and we will plan on continuing to do that we
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
have been able to expand a lot of our services
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we increased our visits last year by 47 percent
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we had about three and a half thousand visits last year which for a small
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
clinic is very this huge volume and we have about 349
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
individuals people getting treatment now that's not all
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
people for opioid use that's people for other substances as well
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
but we do offer specialized treatment for opioid use disorder as you may know
in
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
terms of a opioid treatment program which is a federally regulated program
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
where people can get methadone it's the only way people in this country can
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
get methadone so we're really lucky to have that in
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
our community we're one of the only well we're the only
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
rural town besides logan that actually has
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
a opioid treatment program in the state of utah
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
so we really appreciate the use of funds because we don't get
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
reimbursed by many of our clients as you can understand they don't
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
often have access to insurance we have some difficulties with medicaid in this
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
part of the state in terms of funding for behavioral health
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
so we appreciate all the funding we can get and we need to continue to improve
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
and increase resources and programs for our patients
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we don't have access to you know substance specific intensive
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
outpatient programming for our clients continuous nine hours of
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
treatment a week which is recommended for most
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
people we don't have transitional housing as you all know
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
and we don't have residential treatment so we have a lot of things to look to
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
we are working as heidi said to ban treatment in the jail where a lot of
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
people end up on health charges related to their opioid use
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
so we're grateful to go in there and provide services give them access to
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
medications then of course continue to provide
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
medications when they present to the clinic and also as they present to the
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
hospital so we're grateful to do that we really
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
appreciate that the the focus in the country has been
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
better appropriation of these funds and i don't think utah is guilty of this
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
but there have been other states where these funds really have been
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
misaligned so i appreciate your care and concern for this topic
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
that these funds go to the people who are affected by this and the families
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
who've lost people for this this is blood money
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
this is very important to the families who've lost people from this disease
Dr. Paula Cook - Moab Regional Hospital Recovery Center:
that we really carefully assigned so we appreciate your attention to it thank you no one else yeah very good any questions
Chair Bill Winfield:
i think it's good thanks for both of you coming up and for the rest of the
Chair Bill Winfield:
folks back there as well i think it's just good to hear where these
Chair Bill Winfield:
funds are being used and how they're benefiting people that have
Chair Bill Winfield:
struggled with this in our community so i don't know the family
Chair Bill Winfield:
that probably hasn't been affected by this in grand county in one way or
another
Chair Bill Winfield:
so really appreciate what we do there and
Chair Bill Winfield:
mike uh got any question before the motion here uh are the uh allocation of percentages
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
the state percentages need to be named in amount yeah i think that um yeah we we would decide that in the past
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
from watching last year's meeting almost 60 of the funds went to usara
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and then 20 to the wellness collective and 20 to
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
um the recovery center so that's but i do believe it's up to
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
the commission and that was the product that's changing that's correct um has i'm sorry okay okay
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
has there been any feedbacks as far as those percentages that were allocated
the
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
last couple of years is is that something that
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
is a good working um uh division between the three entities i
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
think we all agree that those entities are deserving and do great work
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
um it's the status quo something that works for everybody
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
i guess the best they haven't really heard from any probably an uncomfortable position again for them to say hey i want more money
or
yeah so i mean i maybe i'm making an assumption but i would assume when you
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
do budgeting and you've had a certain amount it would
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
probably be best to just i mean sure i'm sure you like more but but the
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
reality is if you get more somebody you're taking it from somebody else so
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
personally i probably just leave the percentages alone
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and i guess if you guys want to debate that before next year you know that's
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
something you guys could do internally and
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and probably come to us with a proposal but i would probably leave them alone
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
just because for your budgeting purposes go ahead mike i moved to approve the allocation of opioid settlement funds
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
with the following allocation allocation percentages these 60 percent
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
uh usara 20 wellness collective and 20
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
percent i think recovery center recovery center
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
uh state person and associated funding agreement for each
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
recipient entity upon completion of review by the county attorney.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Motion by commissioner McCurdy, seconded by
Chair Bill Winfield:
commissioner mccandless any further discussion all right i'll
Chair Bill Winfield:
call for a vote all in favor
Chair Bill Winfield:
aye passes unanimously thanks for your time and thanks for the patience.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Thanks so much for what you guys do. It's so much appreciated.
Chair Bill Winfield:
so at this time we're a little bit late i will move in to our second citizens
to
Chair Bill Winfield:
be heard which should have been at six o'clock but
Chair Bill Winfield:
we will pick that up now at 6 14 if we've got anybody in the
Chair Bill Winfield:
lobby here that would like to speak i do know that we also have a public
hearing
Chair Bill Winfield:
and if you're here for the public hearing on HDHO i would
Chair Bill Winfield:
say that you wait until that public hearing is
Chair Bill Winfield:
so if your citizen be heard please come forward
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
introduce yourself sir good evening my name is Everett Hildebrand i live in
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
spanish valley uh this week and i help organize and
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
attend the no kings rally here in grand county
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
i'm happy to report the event was entirely peaceful
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
with strong turnout and a respectful welcoming atmosphere
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
about 550 people attended representing roughly nine to ten percent of beloved
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
population about five percent of grand county
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
overall people from all walks of life showed up
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
a diverse cross-section of our community united by shared values and a
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
commitment to civic participation the rally centered around a deep concern
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
for keeping our public land safe protected and accessible to all
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
just as importantly it was a demonstration of community support and
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
solidarity while a small group of counter protesters was present all
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
interactions remained civil which speaks well to the tone and
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
maturity of the event and to our ability to have civil discourse
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
in grand county it was a productive day that connected community members to
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
local organizations sparked meaningful conversations
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
and reinforced the value of open respectful dialogue
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
i also attended senator mike lee's liaison meeting last thursday
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
where the main topic of discussion was the proposed sale of public lands
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
there was a clear and widespread local opposition to the idea
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
while senator lee's office framed the proposal as a solution to support
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
affordable housing most attendees remain skeptical of that
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
justification the meeting further underscored the
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
strong local concern about preserving our public lands for the benefit of
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
current and future generations thank you guys
Chair Bill Winfield:
thank you do we have anybody else that would like
Chair Bill Winfield:
please come forward councilman councilman um i'm here to speak in as jason taylor and um also made this councilman as well
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
i want to speak a little bit about uh the chamber
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and um and what happened at the meeting the other day
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and i i would hope that um i was pretty taken back
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
i was excited about the city's involvement in hb 456
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and and having a vote on the board that was that's exciting for us
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and um exciting to work with the city um as everybody said you know that this
is
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
a great way for the city to work born and congruent with with the county
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and the travel consultant and um but i was i was blown away
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
or taken back with they said hey when it was made the motion to take the seat
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
away from the chamber of commerce um i've been
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
involved with the chamber of commerce for
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
over 25 years i've been the president of the chamber
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
i've been on it on the board you know for the time
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and like trisa king said you know like she thinks she's that
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
it's probably been on there for about 40 years and um
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
as looking and in the bylaws you know it is written that the chamber does have
a
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
seat and the chamber is such an advocate for
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
businesses the chamber is the one place where
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and it does an excellent job of pulling its members
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and talking about what the travel council is doing all the time
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
i can i can honestly say that in 20 years that they are reaching out to its
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
members and saying how does this affect you
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
you know what do you think of this what do you think of that and they're
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
bringing that back to the travel council
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
as one voice you know in what works for the business community
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and i think that it's um i think that we're all busy we all have a lot going
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
on and i think that when this came up on
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
the agenda um a lot of people hadn't really had
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
much thought about what to do and it wasn't given
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
the consideration and the options that it should have been given
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
and i would hope that we can go back and that we can
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
um and that we can look at that and say hey
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
is there a better way you know um ronnie who spoke before said that there
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
was four options and i think that that was
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
three more than what we're brought up um
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
then we're brought up at that stuff so i i hope that you guys would send this
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
back and maybe to either the travel council
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
or you guys say you know say hey here's some options that will work
Moab City Councilmember Jason Taylor:
you know let's let's not um i'll throw this out before we expect all options thank you thank you sir anybody else
Chair Bill Winfield:
in the chamber yes please come forward introduce yourself my name is pete gross um
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
i'd like to echo the sentiments from uh dave closser
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
um two weeks ago and also it says we heard regarding became great development
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
also known as not rebranded as echo canyon
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
um so i don't need to belabor those what he said i already said everything i
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
i would have said um i understand that the
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
that echo canyon might be creating a preliminary
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
um municipality board and i think Commissioner Hadler would be an excellent
appointment
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
for that position if you wanted it if you guys approved
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
um also uh earlier today and citizens to be heard
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
i heard some excellent comments from mary o'brien
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
um i would i would strongly urge you to follow her free advice that could save
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
taxpayers in kran county sixty thousand dollars
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
for yet another study that pretty much is just going to come up with the same
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
conclusion maybe tweaking might even be worse than you want to
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
hear that than some of some of the board here so
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
i mean the commission so i urge you to unanimously reject
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
wasting sixty thousand dollars of taxpayer money on yet another study
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
that's just going to probably come up to the same conclusions
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
um sixty thousand dollars of free advice i think that's a good deal should take her up on it thank you thank you anybody else
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
um i'm going to a couple of things i want to talk about
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
um first off is i have no economic dog in the fight in grand county
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
not a business owner i'm not a tourism
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
business guy so most of my stuff is just coming from being a citizen
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
regarding the uh reservation system and the spending of this money i
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
i would agree sixty thousand dollars it's not small change but
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
there's some real indication that that has had some impact on the economy
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
we don't know for sure uh the reservation system
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
that would be there are some indication that the sales tax revenue between the
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
city and county since 2021 has decreased by five and a half million
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
dollars a year now one shouldn't have to connect dots
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
we're an economic community is entirely based on rec on recreation so
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
if we lose visitors our revenues are going down whether it's sale tax or trt
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
and there's only one way to to make up that difference we either
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
cut services you guys do or increase tax itself uh in a grand
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
scheme of things i i think sixty thousand dollars would be money well
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
spent to find out what is the basis for this and what do we need to do
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
to fix it but um i would encourage you when that
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
comes up to to endorse that study and move forward
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
uh the other thing i would would bring up here is
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
uh information on the my glee bill um i know people are concerned about that
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
it it affects uh 0.5 0.75 of the public lands in the united states which is
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
somewhere on the border 286 million acres
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
uh the language specifically in the bill says that it is to be priorities given
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
to tracks nominated for by states and local governments adjacent
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
to developed areas with access to existing infrastructure
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
suitable for residential housing and reducing the checkerboard land patterns
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
are isolated and inefficient to manage so you know
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
there's a lot of misinformation going on
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
regarding that bill that we're somehow going to lose massive areas of public
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
lands are going to be sold off it's simply not
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
the case that most people including myself would
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
never go for that this is strictly to find
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
areas and and and lands adjacent to communities and the bill is
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
very specific it's to be used for housing
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
so with that uh i know it's not on the agenda but
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
i will speak in opposition to the gentleman who spoke earlier i think it's
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
a good program thank you thank you we have anybody else the chambers here would like to speak what about online
Chair Bill Winfield:
do we have anything if there's anybody online please raise your hand
Chair Bill Winfield:
or let us know that you'd like to participate not
mostly a lot from that and so okay that's very
great all right it looks like our 614
Chair Bill Winfield:
citizens to be heard is over and we will move on
Chair Bill Winfield:
i'm going to open the public hearing and then we will come back to your item
Chair Bill Winfield:
gabe so we will go back to item number three
Chair Bill Winfield:
which is christen hoffheim and the public hearing for the land use code
Chair Bill Winfield:
amendments article 4.7 high density housing
Chair Bill Winfield:
overlay district hello well um this has been worked out the number of times
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
this um recently saw the planning commission and i'm just going to give
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
you guys a feel of what they said the planning
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
commission voted for three with Mary Hofhine
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
OB
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
recommendation he attached um ordinance um there were a couple
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
areas that were specifically um that they were that they were allowed
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
to vote on those areas included a
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
local area and the definition surrounding that
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um i'm sorry my mouth just completely dried up
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
to do some liking um so the local area will be proposed and
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
an alternative definition that didn't include the 75 miles that was just
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
similar exactly like it it was before um it will be everywhere i voted against
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
that but the rest of the commission decided to forward
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the definition as it is in the packet the other area of concern or thank you
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the other area that they um there was a lot of talk on was the ownership
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um as expected i'm sure by you guys um again ob mary and laura wanted to keep
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the ownership as is the one that was decided upon
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
was it's written in green and it is listed as
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
triple i um some additional information that i just think is
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
important for the for the public and the commission to have
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um from my last count there are 53 um deed restricted units that have received
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
ceo um roughly 54 this is just you know
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the desert souls project has 34 deed restricted units coming online
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
those are being built currently ledges which is an apartment complex
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
has 98 deed restriction um deed restricted units coming online
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
permits for that building permits for that have been pulled
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
so site plan was approved building permits have been pulled
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um i'm a little i'm not sure if they've started building i know there
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
was some preliminary work happening and i don't know where they are in the
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
so there's pulled a few pulled those today to make sure those were staying
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
forward um there are roughly 60 vested units that will not be built
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
final flat was never recorded on phases three through five
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
i'm sure you guys have all read the ordinance so i'm not going to go into
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
you know bands and house of that at this time because
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
we could talk about it next time um but some things that i just
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
wanted to point out and make sure that you and the public understand because
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
planning commission had some questions about this um
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
all of everything that is been approved is vested with a final flat that's
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
already important so these changes don't
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
affect all areas of what is on the final flat it will affect
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
immediately will not immediately and approved it will affect as soon as it
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
goes into affect these rules and regulations and
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
how it's administered through lawsuit so those definitions would change
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
immediately who could be approved would change immediately
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
but anything that was that is recorded on a deed restriction
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
and has especially if it's been purchased by someone who's not a developer
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
would require it going back through final flat
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
final flat amendments or we could through the county attorney's
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
office office enter into separate deed restrictions
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
individually with people with property owners and then those
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
would be negotiated within the county attorney's
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
office they're not part of the ordinance but
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
it's just a way so that people could buy into these changes
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
is does that make sense for everybody because it was a little bit confusing
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the planning commission so i think i just want to
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
make sure you all understand that part um and that's the way up unless you have
specific questions for me.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I just want to make sure I had
Commissioner Mary McGann:
it right down and i disguised it what what what's the recommended new split so oh yes sorry the um
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the commission the planning commission recommended
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
and again this was a split vote not all commissioners were for this.
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um 30 of the deed restricted units in an issue
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
hd to development designated under this section be held by individuals who did
not
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
qualify as actively employed houses don't increase by 10
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
percent um so technically um it would
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
essentially be a 50 50 split of the total units would be
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
non deed restricted so that and it would just be ownership
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
not occupancy that is i want to make sure that you guys all understand that
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
very very clearly occupancy is never in question
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um this 30 is we chose the commission chose 30
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
based on the fact that 20 of the HDHO developments were already unrestricted
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
they don't have deed restrictions applied to them they could be owned and
linked in
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
by anybody um so 30 assuming that that 20 is owned
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
by someone who doesn't live here um that 30 brought it up to a even 50 50 split
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
of the total units so that hopefully that doesn't
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
cause a lot of questions all right.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
So that expanded expands ownership but it will still be workforce but deed
restricted to workforce housing residents Everything yeah uh
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
occupancy was never in question that will always be limited
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
to people with n-word in grand county or the 75 or the local area
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
as it's now defined um or could be defined
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
having to smoke um this would just open up some of them to ownership outside of
Grand County.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right Mary did you have another question?
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I just wanted well I just wanted to make sure
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that when i read through it sounds like
Commissioner Mary McGann:
it's a work to help with that loaning process yeah so that was a big concern that was one of the main catalysts for
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
adjusting this um and that all of the language that was concerning
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
as far as i am aware has been removed it speaks now
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
firmly and completely to the county can institute legal action or
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
proceedings necessary to ensure compliance with this
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
section including about limitations and then it talks about
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
you know damages and it would all go through the courts which was the
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
concern that we wouldn't just be removing c-o-o's which i think was the
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
major um for some of the lenders.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
With there never being a question on occupancy in the workforce by the way just
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
i i thought we spoke about like why would we care about the other 50
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
percent like it could all be outside ownership as
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
long as workforce we're living in there.
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
And that is one of your options as the commission you guys can choose to not
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
go forward with a planning commission but the infrastructure would be
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the deed restriction will still be there um but the reason that the commission
the
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
planning commission and we we spoke about this at length is because
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
their belief that is that the intent and at
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
or when this was written was for was to create a pool of local
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um houses houses that could only be purchased by
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
locals naturally bringing the price down and this was something that was
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
discussed um in prior public hearings at the
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
time it went through so
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
many of the many of the planning commission members actually voted to
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
not touch ownership at all they wanted to it to remain
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um the 80-20 as it was um designed. well i'm i doubt that yeah but we can't
debate Let's also remember that this is a
Chair Bill Winfield:
public hearing and so we'd like to let the public have their opportunity and
Chair Bill Winfield:
we'll have an opportunity when this comes back before
Chair Bill Winfield:
us to do the vote and make any changes so do you have Something i was just gonna say exactly that
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and then i'll make sure i'll send out those two planning commission meetings
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
all commissioners and i highly recommend you
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
watch them because i think the the planning commission did an
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
excellent job of diving deep and bantering this so i'll send those out all right thank you so if you will allow the public
Chair Bill Winfield:
thank you do we have anybody that would like to speak
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right mr o'brien please come forward and introduce yourself so i'm Bob O'Brien i'm from Castle Valley.
Bob O'Brien:
and i'm going to speak today as a citizen of grand county
Bob O'Brien:
not as a council member of the town of castle valley
Bob O'Brien:
or as a planning commissioner uh in grand county
Bob O'Brien:
i agree with a lot of the uh things that are going to be changed about the
Bob O'Brien:
HDHO that you're considering but i'm going to urge you
Bob O'Brien:
not to vote for two of these changes because they
Bob O'Brien:
reduce the possibility for local actively employed households
Bob O'Brien:
they'll own a house and there really is an important thing about
Bob O'Brien:
owning houses the first change actually involves this thing of going
Bob O'Brien:
the change would be this right now you have to live
Bob O'Brien:
in the in grand county or the 45 uh 45 432
Bob O'Brien:
area code but it would extend this from the corner of main and center streets
Bob O'Brien:
to 75 miles in radius so that would include
Bob O'Brien:
montabello green river and blandy what this does is
Bob O'Brien:
from my this means if you work in those areas
Bob O'Brien:
and meet actively qualified helpful things as defined in the HDHO
Bob O'Brien:
you can buy a house in moab so that means there's less
Bob O'Brien:
housing for people to own who are actively employed workers
Bob O'Brien:
in our community that they can buy under the HDHO maybe possibly affordable
Bob O'Brien:
housing for the second is this uh increasing who is
Bob O'Brien:
eligible for an HDHO deed restricted property
Bob O'Brien:
it's going to with which will also reduce the number of homes that are
Bob O'Brien:
available to those people that's what the HDHO was right written for
Bob O'Brien:
so local workers could actually have housing
Bob O'Brien:
and it basically says that 30 percent of the 80 percent of the housing that
Bob O'Brien:
was going to be purchased by local workers can now be
Bob O'Brien:
purchased by people who live in topeka kansas salt lake city
Bob O'Brien:
it's a little bit different than christie i think that comes out to
Bob O'Brien:
the 30 of the 80 added to the 20 it means that
Bob O'Brien:
56 of the housing owners own housing is all
Bob O'Brien:
reserved for ownership of locally pro households and 44 percent is not
Bob O'Brien:
quickly i'm going to say much more than this but
Bob O'Brien:
buying a house provides an avenue for actively employed households
Bob O'Brien:
to pursue one version of the american dream
Bob O'Brien:
that is a pathway to build wealth and or at least security i urge you not to
Bob O'Brien:
approve these two changes because they're going to
Bob O'Brien:
have fewer houses available for locally employed active households
Bob O'Brien:
thank you for your work to make our community better for those who work here.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Thank you sir, do we have anyone else that wants to speak
Chair Bill Winfield:
at this public hearing yes ma'am please come forward now traditionally we give people more time than three minutes
Commissioner Mary McGann:
during public just because if there are time to
Commissioner Mary McGann:
talk about that's just been a tradition that that Well thank you, but we'll kind of try and keep
Chair Bill Winfield:
it as short as possible we have a very long meeting but three minutes
(unclear) Public Comment on HDHO ordinance:
Speaking to the same two...
Chair Bill Winfield:
Introduce yourself, because people on zoom don't necessarily know you
(unclear) Public Comment on HDHO ordinance:
Each of you on the commission requested Grand County residents to vote for you
in part
(unclear) Public Comment on HDHO ordinance:
because you are concerned about affordable housing some or all of you
(unclear) Public Comment on HDHO ordinance:
have promised as a commissioner to focus attention on workers
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
you know the people some of you who claim are being forgotten
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
you all know that emts school teachers police officers health workers
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
and other workers in their family in their families
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
in grand county have trouble finding affordable housing in grand county
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
soon you will either vote to keep the maximum amount of high density housing
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
more affordable for workers in grand county
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
or you will vote to undermine the HDHO purpose to provide home builders
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
with the incentive of building densely in return for providing grand county
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
workers with a chance to actually own their own home not rented from a
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
developer in salt lake city or las vegas
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
the HDHO was a compromise get the chance to build and sell homes at a higher
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
density for each type of zone in exchange for selling 80 of the houses
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
to workers in the 84532 zip code that is grand county and adjacent
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
spanish valley any reduction in that 80 to include competition from workers
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
in blending monosello and green river will drive up the price for grand county
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
workers in in two or so weeks you vote to grant up to 44 of that density
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
to an investor with more money than most workers
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
you will be reneging on your pledge to help ensure that you will help workers
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
in green grand county own their own home in grand county
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
as the saying goes which side are you on workers who want the stability grand
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
county workers who want the stability of owning a home
Mary O'Brien - Timed Entry Public Comment:
or investors second homeowners and developers who want a larger profit
(unclear) Public Comment on HDHO ordinance:
support the HDHO as it is or get it thank you thank you do we have anyone else?
Please Mr. Reilly.
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
Good afternoon my name is Ben Reilly i'm the executive
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
director of the housing atonia in southeastern newtaw i was around when
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
this policy was adopted and worked on so it's been
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
administrative program for the last five or six years so i have
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
quite a few comments on the changes i'll start with a lot of things that i
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
agree with people talk about the local area expanding the local area employment
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
remote employment i don't have an issue with that i don't think hosue doesn't
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
have an issue with that i think that's good to expand that definition a little
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
bit more i'm okay with expanding the lease
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
or reducing the lease requirement i think that will
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
probably add some kind of going to my list of changes as they come as they go
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
down the list reducing the lease term from six to
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
three months i think that will create some additional
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
administrative hurdles obviously we're going to have to be re-qualified people
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
more often you know there's only three months i i'm generally in
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
of not opposition approval of that because i i understand that it's
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
generally for parks workers and temporary workers and i think that a
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
lot of the HDHO was kind of meant for that temporary worker so
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
generally in support of reducing that that lease term
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
one one quick note that i'll it does strike something about the title company
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
notifying hosue that's somewhere in there it that has been kind of a big
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
headache for hosue since the since hhlo started we've had a lot of
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
trouble with title companies in real estate
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
not local real estate agents because i think the local real estate agents have
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
really have a good handle on the program know it and know how
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
to tell their buyers to notify hosue but we've had a lot of issues with
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
not a lot of issues but not being alerted when
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
of conveyances happening i note that because
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
there are has been some administrative hurdles with the program and i think a
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
lot of the changes that we'll get into in a second we'll add to that
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
um so uh we have talked to christie we're hoping to like get that
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
taken out like uh in our work done in a separate session but i know that you
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
know pnc's got a low capacity right now so i'm
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
as a general scheme you know i hate to make a lot of changes to hhlo
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
other than like definitions of enforcement and lendability
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
that will add to that um administrative hurdle both for hosue and for the pnc
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
in their current state um quickly about lendability i don't have a
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
a dog in the fight and lendability i other than i want to see it succeed i want
to
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
see that the enforcement is something that grand county can enforce
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
and that lendability is totally like not an issue i want to see that htho
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
units are on a fair even playing field um i know we're already here she'll
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
probably speak to that um she's been a good proponent in
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
helping proceed put together language for that
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
um the biggest obviously issue is the ownership exemption
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
um i'll kind of give the same spiel that i've given to
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
the whole subcommittee through the process through planning commission to
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
hear you know i was here during that again during the
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
process of creating this and i do believe that this
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
program was intended to as a secondary market for
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
locals to have a market to buy a home so i
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
hosue and myself are generally opposed to the ownership exemption
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
because we feel like that was a core tenant of the of the program
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
um to allow uh locals to buy homes so i i encourage you not to touch that
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
um but i understand let me see what else i have in my notes so
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
yeah really just that that ownership portion um
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
you know when it comes down to adding more administrative hurdles
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
you know that's just another thing that we're going to have to differentiate
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
between do they are they an owner living in
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
there or they have a renter and um you know again working with p and z
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
hopefully you know staffing increases i know
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
chris is doing a great job but you know they're she's kind of a one person show
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
so i just i would caution you to add more administrative hurdles right now when
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
we have a p and c that um but p and z and hosue that are you know a little
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
understaffed so um generally i would say the changes
HASU Director Ben Reilly:
are good and i'm happy with them other than that ownership exemption ownership exemption exception thank you thank you mr
...
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
so i'm Rarni and i'm with Primary Residential Mortgage here in Moab
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
the local lender i'm here today in regards to the public hearings
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
for um the changes on the excuse me i took part in the sub housing committee
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
meetings um supporting the recommendations that
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
might see planning and zoning we had several key players give you
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
feedback i also attended two out of the three
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
planning and zoning meetings and the input on the lending challenges faced
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
within the current code i watched the final planning and
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
zoning meeting and feel they did a really great job
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
deliberating the changes to the land use code that were asked of them
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
this decision wasn't made lightly and i appreciated the commission's
conversation
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
on working with one another i feel that they were very educated on
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
HDHO many questions and hypothetical situations were brought up
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
in the end they were not all in agreements but the proposed changes did
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
pass with an approval the lending challenges weren't
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
something that was in disagreement this was more cleaning up the code with
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
recommendations from legal counsel within the enforcement and remedies
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
section to make sure the verbiage of grand
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
county's enforcement doesn't supersede along there's
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
it needed to be cleaned up so it's clear to what enforcements grand county
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
can legally impose i recommend under section 4.7.6
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
c the enforcement section where it states grand county reserves the right to
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
force all remedies including the sale of a property
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
as outlined in grand county's land use code
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
be updated removing the verbiage including the sale of a property
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
this could still be problematic for lenders
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
within section 4.7.11 it defines penalties for violations and legal action
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
that can be taken by the county so i'm asking is just kind of really
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
look at that because you're what you're really saying is hey we're going to
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
force you to sell your property if you violate anything then grand county's
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
going to ask you to sell your property so we just maybe take a look at that
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
and legal counsel my final thoughts the HDHO was a pilot program
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
and as such everyone knew there would need to be updates
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
as we learned how the program affected lendability occupancy
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
and sale of properties the program has been somewhat successful
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
and has failed in other areas if the program was a true success
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
we wouldn't be here today and all units would be built
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
and sold or at least started and not sitting empty
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
i agree with the recommendations by planning and zoning with a minor change
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
within section 4.7.6 c through the HDHO removing the verbiage
Rarni Schultz - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
including the sale of a property and thank you to the chair and the commission.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Thank you. Anyone else? Yes please come forward Hi everyone i'm Courtney Kizer and i'm here on
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
behalf of myself and i'm also one of the original
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
developers of milky flats which is an HDHO project
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
and we're one of the few HDHO projects that has units for sale
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
i'm personally very excited to see this public hearing open
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
we've been asking for revisions this program for years to more fully
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
encompass the needs of our local community and workforce
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
i support the document before you it's the culmination of a great deal of
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
collaboration with the input of many individuals
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
representing a range of different organizations and interests
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
including representatives from MACLT, HASU,
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
county commissioners sitting here today private lenders HDHO housing providers
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
real estate agents representing HDHO projects
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
HDHO unit owners county staff including the attorney's office
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
thank you christie for everything and the planning commission
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
commission the resulting document is very much a compromise
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
like the 30% deed restricted units could be owned by
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
of the counties the writers of the ordinance have been publicly clear that
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
they wrote it for occupancy not for ownership to meet that deed
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
restriction but that's not the question right now
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
is how do we make the program work which is why i think that that
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
compromise of the lower percentage instead of just getting rid of the
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
planning commission meeting where they a majority of the planning commission
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
landed on that percentage i think is great and i'm for it
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
um what you see today has been pared down immensely from our first tasks but
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
ultimately for the better i believe it will be very effective
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
encompassed encompassing the people that have been missed
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
by the verbiage of the original ordinance without losing the original
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
spirit the only item i would like you to
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
reconsider is what ronnie had just mentioned about 4.7.6.c
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
um about forcing a sale of a home um
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
then the reason for that is fha denied the program specifically for these
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
types of beverages and fha loans are really
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
critical because they are low down loans for people with less than perfect
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
credit or who otherwise struggled to qualify
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
traditional mortgages as such it's a critical pathway to home ownership for
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
many local buyers i ask you to prove this document with
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
as little fanfare or additional changes as possible
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
so i can assure you it has been through the ring of if you receive questions or
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
comments that you need help answering please do not hesitate to reach out not
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
only to public servants or staff but also to
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
the private individuals who see the implications of this code on a day
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
to day basis we can help you to understand the reasoning
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
behind these changes if you don't understand them
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
the goal is to get locals and housing asap
Courtney Kizer - Public Comment on HDHO:
and i believe the document in front of you will go a long way in achieving them thank you do we have anyone else please come forward i hope you're okay
with me standing but we'll been sitting long enough here
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
so lindjax again uh for somebody doesn't have dogs in these
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
bodies seem to have a lot to say but i think what i can do is offer a little
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
bit of perspective maybe because i'm not directly involved
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
we've been wrestling with affordable housing
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
workforce housing ever since i well i won't say that
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
for at least the last 20 years i've sat in your
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
chair for a four-year period eight nine ten years ago
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
we were wrestling with it then uh and and one of the things that have
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
began has become kind of apparent to me
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
is that we're not going to solve this housing problem until we
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
have more density and i don't like density per se i live in a property
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
when i was on a commission we we we down zoned there used to be
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
rural residential was one unit per acre and when i was on the commission we
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
voted because we we knew we had to increase housing density
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
and we went to two i voted for it i didn't like it because there was a five
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
acre parcel behind my house katie corner and i knew
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
it was a valuable piece of property it was going to get developed and it did
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
get developed so it went from five houses to
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
to almost ten back there but if we're going to solve the housing
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
problem we have to have more density and the other thing i would notice is
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
that and i agree with bob uh we were i
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
was a young person were once in a path of homeownership and
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
in the u.s is the best way to achieve love and
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
but i would also say that it's it's better to have
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
some housing even if it's rental than to be homeless
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
and i know we started out renting uh as a young couple
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
before we were able to work ourselves into a small home and then work out
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
so i'm kind of uh i think under this housing issue it's there's no one
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
silver bullet we found that out there's not either ahead so it's it's
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
this combination of higher density and doing things that
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
make it easier for these young people to get in loans
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
it's providing housing the rental housing whether it's trailers or
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
apartments in the in the meantime
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
so i would encourage you just on a big perspective it looks to be like this
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
will help provide some housing again it's probably not a perfect
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
solution so if you do it you make the changes it
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
doesn't work you come back in a year and maybe you can see some other
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
adjustments so i would encourage you when this comes
Lynn Jackson - Public Comment on HDHO:
in front of you for both to to support it thank you thank you anyone else regarding the public hearing that would like to speak
Chair Bill Winfield:
do we have anybody new online that would like to speak on this i think is the best nothing all right we will leave this public meeting open... Didn't see
you back there with your hand up.
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
I was debating. I find myself in a strange
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
position of agreeing with Lynn Jackson Make note of that!
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
I make note when I agree with you on something The idea that especially the
closer to town
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
because transportation is a big part of affordability
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
and most of the jobs are closer to downtown
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
so the more we can increase density in town i think it also makes it more
Pete Gross - Public Comment on Echo Canyon/Kane Creek Development:
affordable to be able to own a house thank you thank you sir am i missing anybody else that would like to
Chair Bill Winfield:
speak all right we will leave this public meeting open Is there anyone online?
Chair Bill Winfield:
I asked and he said no. At our next commission meeting we will have a very
spirited debate about this
Chair Bill Winfield:
very topic so please um look forward to that You noted that it'd stay open until Wednesday?
Chair Bill Winfield:
I didn't know when it would stay open on
Chair Bill Winfield:
so that is this coming Wednesday correct Wednesday the 25th at 5 p.m when you open open for written comments until Wednesday the 25th at 5 p.m
open for written comment until Wednesday the 25th at 5 p.m
Chair Bill Winfield:
Anybody wants to send in an email that doesn't
Chair Bill Winfield:
feel comfortable coming in please do so or do that in
Chair Bill Winfield:
addition to coming in and speaking either one
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right thank you and we will move on before i do the consent agenda i
believe we have Gabe... Did he?
Chair Bill Winfield:
okay so you can do that whenever we can do that whenever all right then we'll
Chair Bill Winfield:
move into the consent agenda try and get back in order here i'm
Chair Bill Winfield:
shuffling papers trying to keep order with the numbers game
Chair Bill Winfield:
so regarding the consent agenda
Chair Bill Winfield:
we will have the approval of the meeting minutes from may 20th
Chair Bill Winfield:
may 27th and june 3rd the ratification of payment of bills total bills
Chair Bill Winfield:
seven hundred and sixty eight thousand seven hundred and seventy dollars and
Chair Bill Winfield:
thirty one cents total payroll of two hundred and eighty
Chair Bill Winfield:
thousand one hundred and twenty three dollars and ninety five cents
Chair Bill Winfield:
for a grand total bills and payroll one million
Chair Bill Winfield:
forty eight thousand eight hundred and ninety four dollars and twenty six cents
Chair Bill Winfield:
c will be the ratification of local consent for spanish valley vineyards
Chair Bill Winfield:
d is ratification of local consent outer bike
Chair Bill Winfield:
e is ratification of contract for bailiff services for the seven district
Chair Bill Winfield:
court f is ratification of emergency
Chair Bill Winfield:
purchase of airport fire rescue vehicle repairs
Chair Bill Winfield:
g is accept marketing budget contribution of twenty five thousand from contour
Chair Bill Winfield:
airlines and allocate to the moab office of
Chair Bill Winfield:
tourism for air travel promotion h letter of support friends of moab folk
Chair Bill Winfield:
festival grant i award independent internal audit
Chair Bill Winfield:
services rfb to gpp analytics
Chair Bill Winfield:
j is extension of grant funding request for arroyo crossing track d paving
Chair Bill Winfield:
and k is madden media 2025 media plan and l is approval of contract for
administrative law judge.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I moved to approve the consent
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
agenda as presented and i want to remark that this may be the longest consent
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
agenda uh since i've been a commissioner.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, motion by commissioner Hadler. seconded by commissioner McCurdy all
in
Chair Bill Winfield:
favor of present agenda mr martinez
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right can you hear me yes we got it thank you
Chair Bill Winfield:
that passes unanimously and we will move on
Chair Bill Winfield:
to item number six yes fiscal year 26 invasive species
Chair Bill Winfield:
species mitigation ism grant award contract utah department of agricultural
Chair Bill Winfield:
and food udaf grand county noxious weeds department
Chair Bill Winfield:
dizzy thank you and thank you for patiently waiting back there through all No worries, It's very interesting. um hi everybody i'm Izzi with the Grand
county noxious weeds department um well review on this grant um it's an
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
interest term that i apply for every year and it was a big variety of projects
in
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
grand county um maybe the most visible project is
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
our giant red and grass removal project where we remove
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
our property and the one that we're about to start on
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
you go ahead remove a project where we do where we remove go-heads all
throughout
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
public areas and well that's the state but ...
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
There is not a recommended motion but i could make it
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
uh i'd like to accept the fiscal year 26
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
invasive species ism grant award contract does that sum it up sure if you want to mention maybe the dollar amount there
the award of sixty six thousand seven hundred dollars with no match required
all right motion by commissioner mccurdy seconded by commissioner hadler
Chair Bill Winfield:
all in favor oh excuse me any discussion sorry to rush that
Chair Bill Winfield:
sure Jacques.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Goathead removal - the greatest thing on this whole agenda
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
all right one of the banes of my existence with it with the
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
shed full of bicycles and kids Did you have something? Mike?
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
okay really quick sure go ahead and we appreciate you being here i think we
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
could have put this on our even longer consent
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
consent agenda but we would like to let us see your
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
face and show your appreciation for bringing these grants thank you for All right so i will call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
on that item all in favor hi thank you that passes unanimously
Chair Bill Winfield:
and we will move on then to
Chair Bill Winfield:
the community wildfire defense grant cooperative agreement between rim to rim
Chair Bill Winfield:
restoration and grand county noxious weeds department this
Chair Bill Winfield:
looks like Izzi again with Kara for backup um it's gonna be good and then for us back here
Grand County Noxious Weeds Department Elizabeth "Izzi" Weimholt:
I have some handouts they're just like swag, thank you Kara.
Grand County Noxious Weeds Department Elizabeth "Izzi" Weimholt:
There's stickers and more information on this program um
Is it the sparkly goathead sticker? oh that's okay
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I already have one um but yeah so this is a really awesome grant that um
rim to rim restoration and it's a five-year
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
grant of a total or a $75,000 i've recovered
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
and the big part of this grant is that we will have funding for a brand new
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
position within my department um that focuses on fire
Grand County Active Trails & Transportation Director Madeline Logowitz:
fuels mitigation and (unclear) . They're very intertwined.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
it's they're very interesting all right melodie okay i'll make a motion to
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
approve the community wildfire defense grant cooperative agreement between
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
dramatic restoration and grand county noxious weeds department in the
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
ward of 375 000 over a five-year period now i'm I'll second that.
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right motion by commissioner mccandless seconded by commissioner heden do
we have any
Chair Bill Winfield:
comment all right so seeing that i'll call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
all in favor
Chair Bill Winfield:
that passes unanimously thank you Izzi.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
It's six to zero with commissioner McCurdy absent Oh, yes, six to zero with Commissioner McCurdy absent. Thank you, county
attorney.
Chair Bill Winfield:
hanging in for a very short five minutes there
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right we will move on to item number eight
Chair Bill Winfield:
which is a bid award for courthouse h mac replacement this
Chair Bill Winfield:
cell is steven bvowles and possibly sean representing Shawn but i worked with him through this so i'm Steven Vowles
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
finance officer i was a returned officer in his bid
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
uh and it is about uh a nature back system replacement for this building right
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
here in fact it's starting to feel a little more
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
yes that's probably gonna depend on um actually so
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
a bid was submitted we received six responses
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
we narrowed it down to three and then from that three we narrowed it down
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
to the lowest cost provider cci mechanical that's we're
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
recommending and we actually went back and validated
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
that the quality of the materials and service
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
and everything was was even and uh this was the low cost leader
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
um they're out of saint george uh now this
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
the cost of this the bid the bid came in at
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
101 150 but sean did tell me he wants to put an optional six thousand dollars
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
what's called cooler guards so the actual contract may may go up
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
to 107 108 uh but it's 89,541 is covered by insurance
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
so there's going to be 20,000 out of pocket for
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
for us and it's also important to mention that these
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
this cost of this was on the pre-authorized list and it was approved it
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
was budgeted but under our budget scrutiny we're
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
you know presenting it again for your attention
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
so again just to summarize hvac replacement we want to get it
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
approved as soon as possible we all know why
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
um total cost of a hundred six thousand dollars of which uh would they say eighty nine thousand five hundred...
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'd move to award the courthouse hvac bid to cci
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
mechanical and to execute the associated contract once approved by legal
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
if it has not already been completed all right motion by commissioner hadler seconded by
Chair Bill Winfield:
commissioner mccurdy any further discussion or questions yes Was the was the insurance related to the hailstorm last year?
County Financial Officer Stephen Vowles:
i believe yes and then they called and the guards that you discussed earlier that might be
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
an extra six thousand, that's to prevent that cool thank you all right seeing no further questions i will call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
those in favor of the hvac
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right that passes six to zero with commissioner hadine
Chair Bill Winfield:
absent and i will jump to number 11 which is
Chair Bill Winfield:
approval of the chems coda associates where in
Chair Bill Winfield:
and then save contract cruises for on-call county building inspections Since I'm here I'll stay here since I helped her
and for kind of background whenever whenever we get through this item
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and i think if the commission wants to vote on it we'll just ask for
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
my office to be able to review it before it gets signed um so this went to bid it was sent back there was a meeting
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
involving steve bill bill quinn and mark and they chose
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
shums coda as our contract service provider for building
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
inspection services there's been a number of readings on this
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
this contract will involve and adjusting how our fee schedule is
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um how our fee schedule is structured what are
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
the evaluation associated with our fee schedule
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
it will change that slightly in order to come
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
closer to what is the standard across the state
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
for fees being charged for building inspection services
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
everyone seems really happy with shums coda we have gone back and forth on
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
some negotiations and the scope of work that's presented
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
in the packet for one that we would like to
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
push forward i have a motion here because i realized that this was a
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
discussion item that got moved to an action item because we need this to have
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
them quickly so i do have a motion um that i could
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
hand to someone if they want to make it open thank you chris uh i moved to approve the contract for shums coda as
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
presented and authorized the chair to sign all documents upon
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
completion of legal all right motion by commissioner hattler i'll second second by commissioner mccandless do we have any discussion on
this item um i've just had a few constituents
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
reach out to me and and just want kind of a brief history of like
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
how do we get to this place if you don't mind and maybe you can or maybe
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
mark anybody just how did we get her i definitely had
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
you know people reaching out and they're like
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
what's happened so you know to the best of our ability just to snippet yeah from everything that we learned there are a lot of
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
localities in the state that are going to third party
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
it's more and more difficult for local entities
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
to have those trained to be able to provide those services
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
um with that said i personally would like for us not to write that off at this
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
point okay to hopefully shums coda it's as we
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
bridge this transitional period uh but i would hope that we could look
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
for and and obtain somebody that okay that
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
has the skill to do that to keep that service okay great local yeah i appreciate that thank you yes melod so we are going to continue to
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
leave those job description those jobs that are
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
open to county or after yes and that's what i would like to do What was the, what was the
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
timeliness and the fault on this just out of curiosity
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
meaning what you said that this this was an open discussion item to begin with
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
then they moved to an action items, so?
Indistinct:
So there is currently no...um we have Corey filling in as building inspector
right um there are certain codes that require um building inspections to happen in a
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
certain period with him just filling in part time
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
um this contract will allow us to get those inspections done
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
quicker right now i have um Lisa sort of administering our current
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
process but allowing her to be able to schedule those with people outside of
Grand County Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine:
cori's limited availability student help and just a little bit of the background on that because of where we found
Chair Bill Winfield:
ourselves without a building inspector um we lost Bill and then Corey went to
work
Chair Bill Winfield:
for san juan county he has agreed to work his first 40 hours in san juan
Chair Bill Winfield:
county and then in the first three days of the week and then come down here and
Chair Bill Winfield:
help us and i think he's even spent some
Chair Bill Winfield:
saturday time down here so he's he's going above and beyond to help us out of
Chair Bill Winfield:
the situation here and this will help alleviate
Chair Bill Winfield:
maybe get him a day off great all right any further discussion i do have a i do have a friend that's getting her building inspecting
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
i don't know if that's certification i think that's cool i just like what a
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
great idea that's exactly a need Without a doubt. All right so any further discussion?
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right seeing none i will call for a vote those in favor
Chair Bill Winfield:
of the motion why that passes unanimously with everyone
Chair Bill Winfield:
present all right if we will move back to number 10
Chair Bill Winfield:
which is the approval of the 2025 certified
Chair Bill Winfield:
tax rate and is this the one we needed to call chris on
no this is a big one and this is the state figures this out for us
it's in the packet let me um this is calculated it's a certified rate revenue
divided by a certified tax rate value equals our certified tax rate
for the year that's 20 times three so we've been in all operations it's
point zero zero one three three two for the library it's point zero zero zero
four two six i i can probably answer some questions on it but
it's kind of we just kind of
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Is it like a rubber stamp?
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
In the recommended motion it says 2023 grand county certified tax rates. It does mean 2025?
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
it does mean 2025. The next part of this—
yes next part of this to the other attachment grand pt 693 2025
so form pt 693 is the form that we submit to the state that
provides our tax rate and that does have the correct date on it
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
okay very good i'd like to make the motion i
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
move to approve the final 2025 grand county certified tax rates
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
as presented on proposed forms pt dash
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
693 2025 for grand county operations library and assessing and collecting all right motion by commissioner mccurdy second by commissioner mcgan
Chair Bill Winfield:
any further discussion or questions Melody.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
do we know if this is an increase from last year or it's the south tax it was
So this is our tax rate
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
so property tax rate our property tax rate and so is it increasing
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
from last year the same or just as what we collect for the state we have an
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
increase in the long time i have that pulled up on my desktop
sorry i want to answer i think it represents a slight deduction in the
property tax rate and a slight increase in the library tax rate
okay but it is on my desktop i'd have to look to confirm that
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
then that's fine i mean the numbers seem right around there but i'm just
curious how what exactly was okay okay anyone else
Chair Bill Winfield:
all right doesn't look like it so i will call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
on the property let's see it's grooville of the 2025
Chair Bill Winfield:
certified tax rates all in favor
Chair Bill Winfield:
the house is unanimously thank you everybody and we will move on to
Chair Bill Winfield:
number 12 which is the adoption of the grand county
Chair Bill Winfield:
privacy policy and i believe this is mr tyner yes sir the passage of house bill 444 requires a privacy policy to be
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
implemented this policy details how the county
Commission Administrator Mark Tyner:
will gather treat and safeguard information okay mike i'd like to make motion i move to adopt the privacy policy as presented
all right motion by commissioner mccurdy second by commissioner hattler any
Chair Bill Winfield:
further discussion seeing none i will call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
on the grand county privacy policy all in favor
Chair Bill Winfield:
aye all right unanimously we move on then to
Chair Bill Winfield:
number 13 designation of privacy policy chief
Chair Bill Winfield:
administrative officer this is mark again because i believe
Chair Bill Winfield:
matt is out of town and i'll tag in on this one just for the commission's information under the hb444
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
there's a mandate that we have to appoint an individual to be the grand
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
county uh privacy policy chief administrative
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
officer um it's the job that somebody will have to oversee
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and they'll be registered with with doors and listed on our website as
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
contact for privacy related questions one note
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and one kind of point of thought this is another way to get
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
information so somebody can do it's not it's
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
it's not a new grandma system for government records acts the
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
management act but it'll be a new way for somebody
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to contact grand county and say hey what information do you have about me and
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
what information did you come collect about me
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
so we have to have somebody that's going to be the uh
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
chief administrative officer for that policy and they'll be the point of
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
contact for those complaints oftentimes the most frequent complaint
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
currently is you don't have a privacy policy
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
so that's what they're dealing with there's also a state
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
website and i'm trying to recall the website
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
it's like utah privacy.com i'm trying to recall exactly what it is
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
oh it's uh i'll get here in a second but anyways there's a lot of information
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and there they'll collect data and information about different
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
um public bodies government entities and things that are collecting
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that information and it's privacy.utah.gov
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
so if you're interested in that you can log on and see the different policy
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
violations or the complaints that people have made about different
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
great groups and i guess one for example is somebody had complained that back
in
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
2016 an entity didn't take a take down a
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
school book you're a photo of someone so those are the types of
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
things that individuals can write a complaint in as somebody
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
collecting story and maintaining data.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Commissioner McCurdian.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I'd like to make motion i move to approve a move to appoint IT Director Matt
Cinesaros as the Grand County Privacy Policy Chief Administrative Officer.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Motion by Commissioner McCurdy, seconded by Commissioner Hadler.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Any further discussion?
Chair Bill Winfield:
Yes Mike.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Sorry to make it work more.
Cora Phillips - Chamber of Commerce Public Comment:
All right, all right, yes you don't have anything else to do.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, anything else?
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, seeing no further discussion i'll call for a vote on the Privacy
Policy Chief Administrative Officer.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All those in favor?
Chair Bill Winfield:
Aye.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Aye.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Mary was that a yes?
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Oh i'm sorry yes.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Just checking.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right that passes unanimously.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Thank you and we i believe that we are caught up with all of the mismatch up to
this point so with the exception of item two.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Item two what did?
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
They for the update on the external audit.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I don't know that we ever received a presentation.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We never received any of them.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Correct and that's why i just wanted to note it for everything.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Who did miss two?
Chair Bill Winfield:
You're correct.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right we will move on to number 14 amending the Molybdenum Advisory Board
bylaws on voting members.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I do know the city represents many of the businesses in this community and i
look forward to working with them and reinstating a positive economy for all in
Grand County and i think that this is a good start between Grand County and the
city of Moab to work towards changing our economy.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Mike did i see your hand up?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I'm going to make it can i just interject for a second?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
This actually has to do with i don't think it's right that a person has their
hand raised long before we've even had any kind of discussion and then that's
immediately who we go to.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I could just talk over people too.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Well i'm it's getting old you know it's getting old.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
So is talking over.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Yeah i i would agree that the hand up is the order that we'll go with and we'll
go to Jacques after Mike so and then come back to you Trish.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I'm sitting on i've moved to approve to amend the Moab Tourism Advisory Board
bylaws voting members in following board in following board recommendations.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I don't have those board recommendations.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Second that motion.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Looking for the there there are a number of items that are attached to item
number 14.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Following the MTAB bylaws draft for approval 6.17.25-2.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right motion by Commissioner McCurdy.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Second.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'll second that motion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
By Commissioner Martinez and then Jacques I believe you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I think so.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We'll open that comment and we'll go to Jacques.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
All right this thanks.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
This is i think we all watched that that meeting we we've heard from some very
involved citizens here tonight who made excellent points.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
First off i want to say that i think the city deserves a spot.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
The hundred percent in favor of the city getting a spot.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
There's absolutely nothing that says we need to kick the Chamber of Commerce
off of this board to give the city that position.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
There's plenty of other options out there.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think it was was Irani that that mentioned three other decisions.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think there's there's many more than that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
We could do we could increase the number of people on the board by one.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
We could increase it by two.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
We could we we could remove somebody else from the board.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean i'm very much in favor of CNHA but why be a chamber over CNHA?
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'm in full support of the chamber.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I was the representative.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I was the liaison from the commission to the chamber for four years.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
That body as Jason Taylor said does a great job of representing businesses in
the area.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
An excellent job.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think Teresa King put it very well when she said personalities were involved.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think that's completely undeniable.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
The optics of this are terrible.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I personally think that we should send it back to MTAB to get a better
discussion and a better solution.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think that if you look at that meeting that this was done very poorly, the
discussion wasn't there.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
There could have been a million ways they could have done this better and they
didn't handle it well at all and I 100% don't support this.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
If you listen to the people who spoke today, Ronnie and Cora and Councilman
Taylor and Teresa King, all those are folks with very viable opinions and they
said it as well or better than I could.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Definitely not in favor of this.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, Bruce.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I do want us to think about how we run these meetings.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Mike, I really think the world of you, but you sit there like this.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I do want to state that I do apologize for interrupting you.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I apologize for that.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
But if we are going to run an organized meeting, then let's get through the
chair's description of it or whomever is presenting and then we can have an
emotion.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
But I don't think it's right if it's like the first person with their hand up
and the person just sits there the whole time like this.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I don't think it's right.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So I want you, chair, I would like you to consider that and maybe counsel to
think about it.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I'm not if I'm not.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Yeah, anyways, I just want to state that I watched this meeting also this
morning.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I was mortified, to say the least.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It is very clear.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
To me, what happened is it's to exclude the chamber is I just I don't even know
where that came from.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It was very much a move to remove Ashley, period.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And then my guess is, you know, in a year or two, we'll put the chamber back
on.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And when I looked at the mission of a chamber of commerce, it says, you know,
businesses working to to gather to improve the economic well-being of a
community.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So how would we ever want to remove that position from that board?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's it's it's ludicrous to me.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I think again, just as Jock said, we had numerous a handful of people that
spoke to the relevancy of having the chamber as an as a member.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I would for me, I would like to see I don't even know if I'd send it back
without guardrails.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I might send it back and say you have nine members and work that out.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I understand not wanting to have an even number.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I appreciate that.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
But to accept this as is, I think the optics are beyond horrible.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And those who vote for it need to get ready to have some repercussions of those
types of optics.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's just wrong.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's absolutely wrong.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Next, and then Mary, then Melodie.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Yes, I agree.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I agree with Trish that I think it's best when many board members have an
opportunity to make motion.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I think that's why I've looked over a couple of times thinking, well, I'll make
a motion, but somebody, you know, I know it's it's, you know, so that when you
read the minutes, it appears like as though most people here are asleep.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
So I really uncomfortable with that.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I am also very uncomfortable with removing the chamber.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
We have Keith Hill, Rarni Schultz, Cora Phillips, and Theresa King, all very
outstanding citizens in this community.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And they also very passionately and very with good points that this is not a
good thing to do to remove somebody that has a position from this onset from the
beginning of this board being created was a voting member.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And for no legitimate reason, no reason was even spoken other than they didn't
want to have an odd, you know, an even number decided, this is the member, this
is the organization that loses its voting power.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I mean, there was zero discussion, I watched the media.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
There was, I mean, you know, it was just almost railroaded through.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And I do think it was personality.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And I don't think anyone, you know, you could deny it, but it's going, I think
the community recognizes it.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
So I think, I think to send it back and say, figure something out whether it's
eight members or you get another ninth member or whatever you do, you know, the
chamber deserves to be represented.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, Mike, Melody, and then Brian has got his hand up.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I lost six weeks ago.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Mike, listen to your boards.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Four weeks ago, Mike, listen to your boards.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Two weeks ago, Mike, listen to your boards.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
This week, don't listen to your boards.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
That's what I got from Mike.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Gears here.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Fire away.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I'll listen to my board this time.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Melodie and then Brian.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So I watched this meeting, like the day after it happened.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I what what's really hard for me is that the power went out or whatever
happens, I feel like what Rarni said.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so we didn't get the discussion because that's what I was curious about
because I had heard, you know, about the meeting.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so I watched it.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I feel like we're missing a chunk of the discussion or there's no
discussion.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I would, you know, I'd like to see them why they, you know, why they came
up with this decision because it is a big deal.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I mean, the chamber has been on there for a long time.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I don't know what the best solution is.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I haven't attempted to send back to them as well.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
But the thing about is that for me is that they are really busy for and they
have a lot to get done.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so sending it back to them just creates more work on them.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I think they have really important work to do.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I don't know what the solution going forward is.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I think it's a challenging spot to be you kick off a different member.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
It's just a challenge.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
But I don't know.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I don't know.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I've talked to a lot of people in the community as well about it.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I think that that it's really it's a really hard situation to be in.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I think that nine is a lot to can we have nine voting members and still have a
four or four.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
You know, is that something that could happen?
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
No.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so when you try to get these really busy people together to have a meeting,
you know, nine is a lot.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Eight is unacceptable, in my opinion, because that just creates an equal vote.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So I'm just I'm struggling with this one as far as what's the right thing to
do.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Commissioner Martinez.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Yeah, I'll just keep it quick.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I was at that meeting.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And, you know, I just want to address a couple of things that have been said.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
So first off, there is no excluding of the chamber.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
The chamber is still welcomed.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I believe that everyone said that they recognize their valuable input that the
chamber provides.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
We are simply transferring.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
It looked like the chamber's position and the city's position.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
They're just they're just flopping over right there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
There is no removal of a position as Trish and Mary had mentioned right there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Also, the idea that there was no discussion there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
There did seem like there was discussion based on it.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And when we looked at it on a seven board member, right, the only position that
was not required to be there was the chamber position.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
All other six of the positions are required by the statute to go there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And I actually ended up reading the statute for everybody.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And we kind of went through and we're looking at the names and who was required
to be there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
So I don't believe that's true.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
But I also do want to second what Bill had said.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
You know, I'm very excited to see the city on board.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I think this will be a great opportunity for us to start working together to
start rebuilding our economy.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'm going to go to the county attorney and then Jacques and then Trish.
Chair Bill Winfield:
A couple things to note.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So during the meeting, one of the employees who was running the meeting, I
don't know what happened, but they clicked something and it shut off.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
The second that happened, I was in the room.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I told everybody to not talk.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
We can't talk about anything that happens whenever those things go offline.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I think we grabbed.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
That's the one that came back.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Right.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
It came up.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
We grabbed Quinn
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Quinn came in.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
They got it back online.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Our question.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Then there was hardly any discussion.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yeah.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So what had happened there, I pushed back a little bit on the discussion issue.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
There was an alternative vote that didn't get a second.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I know that's uncomfortable.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I note a couple things for the commission.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
This is a minimum five member.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And this is you're in section 1731A.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
In that we have to have a majority member majority members that are in one of
the recipients of tax TRT or TRCCA.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Additionally, the balance to board members shall be employees.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
This is not something we've talked about before ever.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Technically, they're all supposed to be employees.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So realistically, the director probably should be the person that's on there.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I've never caught that before.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I was sitting here rereading it a number of times and it says they have to be
employees.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So it says at least two of the board's members shall be employees, recreational
facilities, convention facilities, museums, cultural attractions for other
tourism related industries located within the county.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
That's different than I think the hat that Ashley has been wearing.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
That was not a point that was brought up during the meeting.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
But I think that's just another item.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
They talked about a little bit about other things.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
There was also a discussion about the city's position on whether they have a
voting member or not.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
My position is they don't have to be a voting member.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
There is nothing in the statute that requires they are a voting member.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
The commission doesn't have to make them a voting member.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Now that's something that the city would like to have.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And I think if we read it representing the interest of the municipality, I
think it is an appointment.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And I've told the commission before I don't think it's a wise idea to tell the
city how they should do the appointment.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
But I think they get a spot.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Is there anywhere in here that says that it has to be a voting member?
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
No?
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Do I think they would like a voting member?
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Yes, of course.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So we went through that.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
There was a little bit of conversation.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
There was a lot of amount of confusion as well.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I think you had different people having different things.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
We had it put up for an alternative vote for eight.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Nobody besides Ms. Kornblatt talked about that.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And I made a point to stop the meeting and say hang on, let's talk about the
substitute motion.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And the only person that lent support to that idea was Councilmember Taylor.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So I just know you are, if you're asking for them to do something different,
you should be very specific.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
But also remember, you guys create the bylaws.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
They give recommendations.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
If you guys don't like the recommendations, that's what an advisory board is.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
They give it to us.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And so the commission is well within its rights to send it back, to decide
themselves, or do any number of things.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
But I do think it's a little odd if your advisory board comes to you with
recommendation and they say we recommend having pizza tonight.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
And you say no, we want Indian food tonight.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
You better recommend curry.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Like I get that.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
They've had the discussion.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Was it what you guys wanted?
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Maybe, maybe not.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
But again, they're an advisory board.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
You guys are the professionals.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
You guys have much more training experience in these issues and a fully robust
discussion.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So I'd leave that to you guys.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I'm happy to answer any questions that you guys have as well.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I know there are a few questions from the community.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I'm not going to go through all of them, but if you guys have specific
questions, happy to answer them.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Jacques, please.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Yeah, a few things.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
First off, a liaison is definitely not the same as a voting member.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Again, I do support the city being a voting member.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
My interpretation of the new code 456 is that they should be a voting member,
but that's just my interpretation.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
But I'm on a number of boards around the liaison.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'm on a number of boards.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'm a voting member.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And the boards that I'm a voting member have, it's a more important position.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
It's a position that has, you have, say, the position as T, the position like
Stephen brought up.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Councilman Taylor wanted to discuss that, but he was a liaison at the time and
he didn't have that right.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean, that's a huge difference.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
If he had been an actual voting member, he could have seconded that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
You could have had a better discussion.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
You might have had a different outcome.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
That's a huge difference for me.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Also, I think if you look back at this board, there haven't been, I mean, I
mean, if you wanted to do eight right now, we could do eight, see how it works
and come back with nine potentially in the future.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think nine is fine.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
If you look at quorums, you said they have difficulty making quorum.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Making a quorum with five out of nine is actually easier than making a quorum
of four of seven.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Percentage-wise, you can have four people miss the meeting and you can still
make your quorum instead of three.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So that actually, I think, would make meeting a quorum easier.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
You say the board's really busy and if we tonight decided to make it a
nine-person board, all we have to do is put out for another membership.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Jason's it's one more position to add.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
It gives better representatives to the community.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I don't see anything wrong with that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
If they're having difficulty making quorum, so you have four people there.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Having an extra person is a bonus.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
You get someone else there to have discussions with.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
That's kind of a no-brainer to me.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And the chamber just represents a much broader swath of businesses like the
gentleman, I don't know him, I think was his name.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
He said that he did, that he runs his, he just relies on the chamber for his
businesses vote.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think many, many businesses in town do that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And having a chamber there, I mean, that's why they were put on in the first
place, as Theresa said, they've been on for 40 years.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
We're going to knock them now just because we're changing this one.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
It would be just as easy for us to add an extra member.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So in line with that, I'm going to make a substitute motion that we amend the
bylaws to include the city and add one more position.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And that position be in line with the state code that that position involved an
employee of a tourism related business.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I personally think it should come from a cultural side of things.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think someone from a museum or a photo festival, or that's an area of our
community that's not represented on MTAB.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And I think that's a place that we could definitely use some help.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I would hope that they consider someone from that, but I'll make that
substitute motion.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I'll second that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Nine, nine, including including just city.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So the city's already, so that motion includes the city.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So that brings it up to eight.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And then I'm just proposing we do nine because that's a, it's a better number
to work with.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And keeping the chamber on.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Absolutely.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We've got a motion from commissioner Hadler to make the board a nine member
board with a second by commissioner had Dean and further discussion Trish.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'm really like a comment Trish.
Chair Bill Winfield:
You don't like it when Mike has his hand up ahead of time, but even after I've
given you a nod numerous times, you still like to sit over there with your hand
up and then you can reprimand me as the chair for what he's doing.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And I just think that you need to be aware also and be a little bit more
respectful rather than continue in public meetings to try and downgrade somebody
for what they're doing.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So now I'll go to your discussion at this.
Chair Bill Winfield:
That's a classic statement.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So a few things, and I appreciate the clarification as to the, the, it was
turned off and it's turned back on.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And basically what we're stating is nothing was missed.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So what I saw as far as deliberation and Michael, this is speaking to you, it
went on.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I watched it for 15 minutes.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
That was it.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So I wouldn't consider that Mike, I do greatly value boards inputs, the
planning commission, the two meetings I'm going to send you guys, you're not
going to like it because each one is a couple of hours.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
That to me is viable deliberation.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
There wasn't deliberation.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It was made.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
There was a little Stephen did and I wrote that down Stephen that you kind of
interjected like, Hey, because they literally tried to push that vote right
away.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And there was a substitute motion on the table and they tried to just dismiss
it and Stephen had to stop it.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So I appreciate you stating that.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So there was not to me deliberation.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And then Stephen, I appreciate your comment about people seem kind of confused.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So that to me states that there wasn't really vibrant understanding as to what
was going on.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So I hope that more than just a few of us are going to vote for the substitute
motion that will allow that board to retain the chamber and also add.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I like the idea of cultural.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I noticed that in the, in the verbiage of the legislation, that it can be
somebody from a cultural aspect.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I think that would be great.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So all right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Do we have any others that want to add to this discussion before we vote on the
substitute motion?
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Seeing none, I will call for a vote on the substitute motion to make the Moab
office of tourism board and nine member board, those in favor, including the
city, including the city and keeping, keeping the chamber on and keeping the
chamber on.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So that's a voting member.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So that is a four, both those opposed.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Nay.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So that passes four to three with Martinez against Commissioner McCurdy and
Commissioner Winfield, myself, against that substitute motion.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
So moving on, if someone else and raised, Mary, I read the next point.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I was going to put my hand up...
Chair Bill Winfield:
Very good.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So we will move on to number 15, appoint a board member to the Echo Canyon
preliminary municipality.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This will go to you, Mary, if you had your finger up first.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Yes, I would like to appoint Melodie McCandless to the this appointment of the
member of the Echo Canyon preliminary municipality.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I'll second that issue.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We have a motion by commissioner McGann, a second by commissioner Hedin to
appoint Melanie McCandless to the Echo Canyon preliminary municipality.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Any further discussion?
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I just, I just wanted to comment that I, I, the reason, you know, I think this
is a good idea is because Melodie probably of all of us are sitting around this
board has shown to be more middle of the road, like, like attempt, you know,
looking at things from different ways.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I mean, she, you know, I think she has her, her, her feelings about it, but
she's able to navigate the waters of emotions and such.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
She's done a really good job on that.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And she's a hard worker.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I'm impressed with how much she works.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And I think it would be a really good representation.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Commissioner McCurdy.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Ditto.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I would ask melody if she has the capacity to take this on and would prefer to.
I hope that's good.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Well, I think it's a hard spot to fill with all the controversy in our
community around it.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So I think that, and that would be the case with any one of us get off this
position.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I think that I am middle of the road person and I, and I, and I, I would do
it.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
A little scary, but I'm aware.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I will learn a lot.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
It's just like I've been learning a lot.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So anyways, I appreciate it.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And thank you for the recommendation.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I think the other piece, is that okay if I say so?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
The other piece, it is your district.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And so to me, it makes the most sense.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's her district.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Any further discussion?
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And we will, I will call for a vote on Commissioner McCandless to be the
representative to the Echo Canyon preliminary municipality.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Those in favor?
Chair Bill Winfield:
Aye.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Passes unanimously.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We will move on to number 16.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Determined a metric for TRT Rec Film and Convention Expenditures.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This is Commissioner Martinez.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Give me just one second here.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
This came out of our discussion that we had with myself, Bill, and Jacques, and
Mr. Stocks.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And what we were trying to come up with was a metric so that we can go through
and determine if expenditures are allowed under the Rec Film and Convention
Expenditures.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I'll just go ahead and start off by making a motion.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I move to set the metric for review of TRT 2AII Rec Film and Convention
Expenditures to confirm their primary intent was to attract visitors and promote
Grand County as a destination.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And that all TRT funds expended by Grand County active trails and
transportation over the years 23, 24, and 25 be reimbursed to fund 23 from the
general fund and that the unexpected TRT balance within the park trails and Rec
Fund 47 be transferred back to fund 23.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
This work is to be completed by June 30th, 2025.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Motion by Commissioner Martinez, second by Commissioner McCurdy.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Discussion Mike.
Indistinct:
...
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
That date corresponds with the July 1st starting of the House Bill, right?
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Yeah, it corresponds with HB 456 and it also corresponds with the day that our
audit is due, our financials are due.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
So it allows us to get our financials back into compliance as requested by the
state auditor and also makes that will be compliant moving forward for HB 456
and eligible for the mitigation grants as well.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Jacques, please.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'm sorry, Brian.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I had difficulty catching the whole motion at the whole scope of it.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I just wanted to add a I wanted to run anything by Stephen, but when we talked
about this and I agree this came out of discussions from our meeting.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And when we were talking about you know, actually, Brian, if you would, do you
mind restating your motion really quick and then and then I have comment and I
apologize.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I was trying to catch that, but it's a little it's a little difficult.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Yeah, I tried to highlight the words that I thought would be the the words that
we would want to maybe discuss on this, but I'll go ahead and restate.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I moved to set the metric
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
for review of TRT 2Aii
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Rec Film Convention
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Expenditures to confirm
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
their primary intent
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
was to attract visitors
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and promote Grand
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
County as a destination
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and that all TRT funds
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
expended by the Grand
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
County Active Trails
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and Transportation
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
over the years 23, 24, and 25
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
be reimbursed to fund 23
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
from the general fund
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and that the unexpended TRT balance
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
within the park trails
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and rec fund 47
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
be transferred back to fund 23.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
This work to be completed by June 30th, 2025.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Jacques.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Okay, thanks, Brian.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I appreciate the clarification.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So the part that I would disagree with is the second part when you say all TRT
funds and the active transportation and trails department be returned.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And I think by that you mean that we are saying that every bit of TRT funding
that that department received in the last three years we wouldn't even put that
to a test.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Is that what you're getting at, Brian?
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
We just automatically those all those funds whether they might be transferred
out by somebody.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Correct.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Yeah, after the conversation that John had or we had I think that it would be
in our best interest to go ahead and just move this all aside make sure that
we're compliant and ready to go by June 30th which is approaching rapidly.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Yeah, and thank you, Brian.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I really appreciate the clarification.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'm just trying to wrap my head around that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So I would disagree with that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think the intent of developing a metric.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think there's a lot in there and we did to clarify also Stephen, Gabe, Bill,
Brian and myself had a meeting where we actually went through a lot of these
items and I think we brought them to the commission last time and we looked at
the promotional aspect of many of them.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'll just throw out an example of one being a sticker that has Discover MOAB on
it and I think that can very reasonably be argued has promotion.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
These things end up outside of the county.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
They draw, they drive visitors to Discover MOAB websites.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So I think what we're talking about here in my mind is developing a metric to
look at all of those funds.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Not just ones outside of the active transportation department but ones inside
active transportation as well and even in my mind especially those funds.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And the metric that I thought when we had the meeting between the, you know,
that I referenced earlier, I thought during that meeting we came up with a great
metric.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean we discussed a number of items.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean we came up with, I forget what the exact number was but we came up with
maybe $70,000 worth of things that we all consider promotional at the time and
then the next day Brian sent an email saying that he didn't agree with it and we
had further discussion.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
But then in the meeting Commissioner McAnlis indicated that she thought that
some of those did qualify as promotion as did I.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
So I would propose, you know, I think the first part of Brian's motion in line
with developing a metric is great but I think that metric should apply evenly
across things such as the REC board and the active transportation department.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McCurdy and then Commissioner McCandless.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I really think we'll find out even more.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I'm a little worried and hesitant.
Indistinct:
I like where we're at but I would honestly like more added. The REC board...
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
The question of the REC board be finalized and the expenditures for the dates
on the expectation of that.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Also along with even in our budget talks the speaking more forward on to the
heavy fair funds et cetera along with that.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
It's a good starting point but I would like to expand on it where we're at.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McCandless.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So the fair funds and promotion.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I know that those I feel like those things —
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
They were listed in the green on that worksheet but I also, you know, watched
the audit committee and that's why I've been so busy watching everybody else's
meetings.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I don't want to have our tax funds froze again.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
You know, they are definitely
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
watching everything that we do
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and at this point in time
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
if we just want to keep on
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
finding it
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and also when they're looking at our,
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
you know, we have an audit
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
coming up that our financials
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
will do the end of the month
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and if we just fix them
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
so that we're not going to be in a position
where we have our funds frozen
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
again I mean just even Chris
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
mentioned how luckily
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
because interest rates were up
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
even with our tax frozen
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
we were still able to increase our interest
but interests are not up right now.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So having our taxes frozen and not getting any of our tax revenue from the
state is pretty scary.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I watched you guys go through it last year and I did not want to be in that
situation and so is it like $70,000?
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Probably not $470,000 of our tax rate and to come through that I'd rather come
out clean in the eyes of the state and then move forward with this matrix in the
future to set that as are these expenses fitting into our commercial funding and
use this matrix when it's the budget and just not not getting in trouble with
the state.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I mean it's it's not so I don't really want to put that money back in there but
I think that it's this wise thing to do.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'll weigh in also
Chair Bill Winfield:
in that same meeting
Chair Bill Winfield:
I believe there's been
Chair Bill Winfield:
several meetings
Chair Bill Winfield:
we've had a discussion
Chair Bill Winfield:
where the state auditor
Chair Bill Winfield:
called the county attorney
Chair Bill Winfield:
we've had discussions
Chair Bill Winfield:
where the state auditor
Chair Bill Winfield:
I honestly don't know
Chair Bill Winfield:
what Seth's position is
Chair Bill Winfield:
but he then called
Chair Bill Winfield:
also called Larson's
Chair Bill Winfield:
and it's getting pretty
Chair Bill Winfield:
concerning to me
Chair Bill Winfield:
and outside of Brian and Jacques
two different assessments of it
Chair Bill Winfield:
I had already previously discussed
Chair Bill Winfield:
with Mark and Quinn the fact that
we continue to look for ways
Chair Bill Winfield:
to justify all of this stuff
Chair Bill Winfield:
and the amount of time that we are
spending as commissioners alone
Chair Bill Winfield:
let alone the load on staff
Chair Bill Winfield:
and we've even considered
Chair Bill Winfield:
hiring a firm to come in
Chair Bill Winfield:
and go through the books
Chair Bill Winfield:
independently
Chair Bill Winfield:
I know that I think Gabe
Chair Bill Winfield:
would prefer to use somebody
Chair Bill Winfield:
that he's familiar with
Chair Bill Winfield:
we've suggested
Chair Bill Winfield:
the commission have somebody
Chair Bill Winfield:
hire somebody to come in
Chair Bill Winfield:
and do these books
Chair Bill Winfield:
and as we continue to
Chair Bill Winfield:
invest time here
Chair Bill Winfield:
and then money
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'm ready to put this
Chair Bill Winfield:
behind us
Chair Bill Winfield:
and move on to compliance
and staying away from the line
Chair Bill Winfield:
as I believe it was the state auditor
told Mr. Stocks
to get away from the line
Chair Bill Winfield:
and so I'm quite frankly
Chair Bill Winfield:
ready to be done with this
Chair Bill Winfield:
and that's my position on it
Chair Bill Winfield:
and that's why
Chair Bill Winfield:
I would support the motion
Chair Bill Winfield:
as the way it stands
Chair Bill Winfield:
to the amount of time
Chair Bill Winfield:
that we have embedded in this
Chair Bill Winfield:
is huge on all of us
Chair Bill Winfield:
so I'm supportive of the motion
Chair Bill Winfield:
the way that he has it
Chair Bill Winfield:
do we have any other discussion Trish?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Well I guess I feel
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
within the packet
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
the motion did not include
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
all of these additional layers
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and so I feel a little unprepared
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
to be honest
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
that I wasn't kind of given
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
the entire scope
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
of what we were going to do
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and again I think if we're going
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
to reimburse active trails
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
we would need to reimburse rec too
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
so I'm a little taken aback
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and I'm not sure how to deal with that
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
to me it's if we want to do
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
all of these things
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
maybe we postpone this
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
till the next meeting
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
make sure we have everything
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
fleshed out
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and we come with a motion
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
that everybody is very clear
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
as to the fiscal impact
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
very clear as to exactly
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
what we're doing
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
so that we're prepared
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and I'm not saying I disagree with you
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I just feel like we weren't
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
given all you know
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
given all the information
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
That's how I feel yeah I appreciate it
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'll go to Mike
Chair Bill Winfield:
I will comment quickly
Chair Bill Winfield:
that how could you ever be prepared
Chair Bill Winfield:
for a substitute motion
Chair Bill Winfield:
unless you had predetermined
Chair Bill Winfield:
that outside of here
Chair Bill Winfield:
so you do have to act on your feet Point of order:
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I want you know
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I'm uncomfortable with this constant
Commissioner Mary McGann:
back and forth between you and Trish
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I mean she said something
Commissioner Mary McGann:
you disagreed
Commissioner Mary McGann:
but anytime she says something
Commissioner Mary McGann:
you disagree with you go back at her
Commissioner Mary McGann:
you don't do that to Jacques
Commissioner Mary McGann:
you don't do that to me
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and I would just like to see
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that Commissioner Hedin
Commissioner Mary McGann:
could make a statement
Commissioner Mary McGann:
without a rebuttal thank you
and I think I made a very humble statement
I wasn't I wasn't combative
I made a very humble statement
I was making a statement as well
Chair Bill Winfield:
that I don't see how you could be prepared
Chair Bill Winfield:
for a substitute motion
Chair Bill Winfield:
and so Mary I appreciate your comments
Chair Bill Winfield:
we'll come around the room to Mike
Chair Bill Winfield:
I believe was next
Chair Bill Winfield:
and then Melody and then
I raised my hand
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
dangerous move
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I'll mostly agree with you
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I would have liked to see the finality
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
of where a rec board falls
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
but I also know that we don't have their audit reports
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
and this is a big step away from that line
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
hopefully that hopefully the state auditor
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
recognizes that also hopefully
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
but this is in my mind
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
this is next step
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
and there will be more coming up Melody I believe was next
Chair Bill Winfield:
and then Mary yeah and they didn't bring up
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I mean in the audit
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
he specifically said that Seth contacted him
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and told him that he needs to test the TRT spending
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
promotional spending
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and so where it pertains to trail ambassadors
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I mean that is the exact word
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
that he used in that audit report
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and so I think that going forward
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
we definitely use these rec film
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
you know this metric
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
for a rec filming convention
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and all of the different aspects
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
but for and waiting for another meeting
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
it's going to be due for July 1st
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and our financials are due on June 30th
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and I think that we'll see that fiscal impact
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
hopefully if we can pass this
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
we could see that in our budget meeting
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
we would see it very clearly
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
a better meeting on the 20th next Monday
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
when we're going to
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
and then we'll have a really clear picture
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
which is something that we all need
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
to be able to go over Mary please
but they have a reason
you know
and well taken
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Melodie, it would put a crutch
Commissioner Mary McGann:
but also
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I'm concerned about
Commissioner Mary McGann:
on this agenda summary
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and in this the entire documents
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and all the attachments
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there's nowhere that it says
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there you know it even says here
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there are no associated documents
Commissioner Mary McGann:
for an agenda item
Commissioner Mary McGann:
no so it's indicating that
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there's no fiscal impact
Commissioner Mary McGann:
while really the motion that Brian made
Commissioner Mary McGann:
will have a fiscal impact
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and I feel for the public
Commissioner Mary McGann:
it's important
Commissioner Mary McGann:
especially when there's a fiscal impact
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that it is presented in the packet
Commissioner Mary McGann:
so that they can get that
Commissioner Mary McGann:
so I think it should
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I would be much more comfortable
Commissioner Mary McGann:
if we postponed it
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and had that information
Commissioner Mary McGann:
for not just us to read
Commissioner Mary McGann:
but for the entire
Commissioner Mary McGann:
of our citizens
Commissioner Mary McGann:
which are so many
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that look at our packet
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and to have it say
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that the fiscal impact
Commissioner Mary McGann:
will be this much money
Commissioner Mary McGann:
because it will be a fiscal impact Mr. McCurdy
oh I'm sorry
Chair Bill Winfield:
county attorney go ahead Just just a couple
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
The Commission can do what they would like
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
things just always a bit of advice
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
so number one
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I think if you guys
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
want to set a mandate
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
for commission administration
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
staff you know set a policy
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
have them go through that
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
investigate that
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
identify that amount
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and come back to you guys
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and say hey look
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
here's what we've come up with
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and put that out
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I think that makes sense
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
if you look at your guys
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
as agenda summary
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the last paragraph kind of gives
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and see it's the guiding principle
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
for this review
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
will be to assess
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
if the primary tenant
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
of the expenditure
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
or activity was to attract visitors
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
if you guys have a clear goal
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and then want to task
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
like the next line
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
says department heads
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
will assess whether the funds
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
received were used
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
for establishing and promoting Grand County
to this nation
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you guys want to do that
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
give that obligation
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to calm admin
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to the department heads
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to go through a review
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
scoop up all those numbers
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and give them to you I think that's
a reasonable thing to do
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but if you guys want
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to make this easier
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
on staff
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the more information
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that you guys can give
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
in the direction
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
what assistant administrator
Hall and myself
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
were speaking about is
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
there's a little bit
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
of confusion
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
are you saying
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the GCAT program generally
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
are we talking about trail ambassadors
are we talking
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
about trail maintenance
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
so cleaning up
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
some of that information
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
in the motion
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
would be really helpful
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I get it I will tell you
the way in which
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
current way of doing it
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
having a number of meetings
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
going again
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and again and again
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I don't know
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that the commission
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
is making as much progress
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
as we'd like to make
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I think probably
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
assigning and delegating
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that task
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to your commission
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
administration
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and then having
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
department heads
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
do that
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I think that's
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
going to be faster
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you guys can have
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
all the meetings
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you want to do
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but it's going to be
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
a considerable amount of time
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that's option one
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
option two
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
create a subcommittee
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
task commissioner
hattler
commissioner
Winfield
commissioner
Martinez
you got
you three have been
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
doing it before
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
my concern
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
was we're starting
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to get into the realm
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
of doing more
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
than you know
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
a couple commissioners
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
in their spare time
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
should be dealing
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
without receiving
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the full
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
ordained blessing
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
of the commission as whole
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
maybe give them
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that job
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and give them
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that power
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
or option three
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
is what we're proposing now which is
we're just going to do
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but who do you
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
want to take this task
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and I think if you talk about that
and that's fun
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but we're going to need
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to flush out a little bit more
and I think you
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
could perhaps do that
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
right now I think we talk
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
about it
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but I think door number one
door number two
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
could both work
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
again whatever you'd like
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
but maybe
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
any of those options
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
might be a little bit easier
because if
commission administrator
Paul and I
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
don't know exactly what we're doing
but it's just my concern
commissioner
Martinez
yeah I think we've
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
kicked this
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
can around enough
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
jock you were there
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
bill you were there
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
when I looked through
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that through
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that list of expenditures
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I don't find
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
one single expenditure
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
where the primary intent
was to bring people
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
into grand county
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and and if there was
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I mean maybe
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
maybe I'm wrong
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
maybe there was something
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that slipped through
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
but all of those
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
was the secondary
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
outcome of
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
what was happening right there
none of the primary
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
intent was to bring
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
people into grand county
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
that's why I'd
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
like the motion
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
just to stand as is
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and I'd like to call for a vote
all right so
we'll call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
then if there's
Chair Bill Winfield:
no further I mean
I think Stephen's
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
right about clarifying
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean Brian said
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
the whole active
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
transportation department
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and yet there's
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean responsible
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
as Maddie explained
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
in her presentation
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
day is very different trails program
and I think
I think that deserves
a little bit
more clarity
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I like Stephen's option one
I think this is kind of
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
what we discussed
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
to begin with
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
in that meeting
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and that is to task
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
admin and
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
artists to go through this
and I think they
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
could do a better job
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I've been on
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
the subcommittee
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
for a long time
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I've attended
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
the numerous
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean SF Bill and Brian
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
meetings in the last couple of weeks
and I think
they can do it
more efficiently
than anybody else
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and get it done with less
testimony
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and I'd support
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
results of that work We had a Commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
two talks
Chair Bill Winfield:
so let's call
Chair Bill Winfield:
for the vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
on commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
Martinez's motion
could you restate the motion
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
yeah you'll have to restate
that before
as commissioner
Martinez
because there's
no way
Chair Bill Winfield:
I could remember
Chair Bill Winfield:
the length of that all right
I moved to set
the metric
for review
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
of TRT
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to AII rec
film
and convention
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
expenditures
to confirm
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
their primary intent
was to attract
visitors
and promote
Grand County
as a destination
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and that all TRT
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to AII funds
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
expended by Grand County active trails
Chair Bill Winfield:
and transportation over the years
23,
24,
and 25
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
be reimbursed
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
to fund 23
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
from the general fund and that the
unexpended TRT balance
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
within the park trails
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
and rec fund 47
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
be transferred
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
back to fund 23
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
this work is to be completed
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
by June 30th 2025
Chair Bill Winfield:
and do we want
Chair Bill Winfield:
some clarification
Chair Bill Winfield:
on admin
doing this
Chair Bill Winfield:
who are we directing to do this
with your motion
Chair Bill Winfield:
commissioner Martinez I would imagine
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
it would be admin
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
okay
Chair Bill Winfield:
so call for a vote
Chair Bill Winfield:
on commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
Martinez's motion as stated
giving admin
Chair Bill Winfield:
some direction
Chair Bill Winfield:
to repay
Chair Bill Winfield:
funds that went
Chair Bill Winfield:
to the Grand County
Chair Bill Winfield:
active trails
Chair Bill Winfield:
and transportation back to
and I don't remember
the numbers
as far as in the budget
Chair Bill Winfield:
were the what account
Chair Bill Winfield:
numbers those were
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
but I think
Chair Bill Winfield:
that we all have a good idea
Chair Bill Winfield:
of what this is about
Chair Bill Winfield:
so those in favor of Brian's motion
all in favor
Chair Bill Winfield:
commissioner Martinez
Chair Bill Winfield:
are you voting yep I
all right
so that motion
and those opposed
Chair Bill Winfield:
thank you
Chair Bill Winfield:
that motion passes
Chair Bill Winfield:
with the commissioner at the end
commissioner
Hadler and Commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
McGann opposed
Chair Bill Winfield:
we will then move on to item number
17
Chair Bill Winfield:
approve scope of work
and engagement
Chair Bill Winfield:
of the Ken C Gardner
Chair Bill Winfield:
Institute
Chair Bill Winfield:
for arches
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
timed entry
Chair Bill Winfield:
impact study
Chair Bill Winfield:
that scope of work is attached
Chair Bill Winfield:
but I'm sure that you've had
Chair Bill Winfield:
plenty of time
Chair Bill Winfield:
to look through all of those
Chair Bill Winfield:
this should be a no-brainer
Chair Bill Winfield:
and allow us to clarify
the impact
Chair Bill Winfield:
that this has been
Chair Bill Winfield:
on our county
Chair Bill Winfield:
and to put this discussion
Chair Bill Winfield:
again another one of these items
that we should be moving
Chair Bill Winfield:
on from and I believe
Chair Bill Winfield:
this study will allow
Chair Bill Winfield:
us to do that
Chair Bill Winfield:
so I will start
Chair Bill Winfield:
with some discussion
Chair Bill Winfield:
commissioner McGann
Chair Bill Winfield:
well I was going to make a motion
I move to approve
the scope of work
engagement
Chair Bill Winfield:
of the Kem C Gardner
Institute
for the arches
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
timed entry
Chair Bill Winfield:
impact study if the funds
Commissioner Mary McGann:
can be taken out
Commissioner Mary McGann:
of the promotional side of the TRT
as opposed to our
general fund
motion by commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
McGann
Chair Bill Winfield:
to pull the money
Chair Bill Winfield:
from TRT
Chair Bill Winfield:
or the scope of work
Chair Bill Winfield:
for the Kim Gardner
Chair Bill Winfield:
do we have a second I talk to Steve
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I've been in communication
Commissioner Mary McGann:
all day with Steve I mean
you know there's
lots of reasons
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
I wanted
Chair Bill Winfield:
we need a second Mary
all right
so commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
McGann made the motion
Chair Bill Winfield:
seconded by
Chair Bill Winfield:
commissioner McCandless
Chair Bill Winfield:
the reason is
Chair Bill Winfield:
first copy since I made the motion
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I could speak first
Commissioner Mary McGann:
is this is a want not a need
and and right now
Commissioner Mary McGann:
with us have spending
oh I think it was over
Commissioner Mary McGann:
a million dollars
Commissioner Mary McGann:
of un-vegetated funds
Commissioner Mary McGann:
to add another sixty thousand
to that
is is quite a bit
Commissioner Mary McGann:
when we're all
Commissioner Mary McGann:
you know when I'm hearing
Commissioner Mary McGann:
from many people
Commissioner Mary McGann:
very concerned
Commissioner Mary McGann:
about our budget and you know
Grand County Treasurer Chris Kauffman:
and you know if you want to do the study
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I'm you know
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I don't know if it's necessary
Commissioner Mary McGann:
but my main concern
Commissioner Mary McGann:
is we are taking money again
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that is not in budget
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and spending it
Commissioner Mary McGann:
when we have said
Commissioner Mary McGann:
over and over and over again
Commissioner Mary McGann:
we need to take a deep picture
Commissioner Mary McGann:
we need to slow down we're you know
there is a real good chance
Commissioner Mary McGann:
we're hitting the monsoon season
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there could be some impact
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there that we're going to have
Commissioner Mary McGann:
to pull out of our general fund
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there could be emergencies
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that happen throughout the year
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that we have to come out
Commissioner Mary McGann:
of our general fund
Commissioner Mary McGann:
there will be needs
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and if there needs
Commissioner Mary McGann:
then yeah we got to go
Commissioner Mary McGann:
we have to take it out of our reserve
Commissioner Mary McGann:
but this is not a need
Commissioner Mary McGann:
not everybody in the community
Commissioner Mary McGann:
thinks it's a great idea
Commissioner Mary McGann:
it's not like you know
Commissioner Mary McGann:
everybody's cheering
Commissioner Mary McGann:
to have this done
Commissioner Mary McGann:
but if this is something
Commissioner Mary McGann:
that really wants to be done
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and I've spoken to Steven
Commissioner Mary McGann:
and that if it can come out
Commissioner Mary McGann:
of the promotional side of TRT
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I'm okay with it.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Commissioner McCurdy. Trish was first oh Commissioner Hedin, I apologize okay when was this item added? Do you guys know
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I know that the first time
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I looked at the agenda wasn't there
could you tell me
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
please know when it was added
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and it's okay
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I mean I just I just know that it wasn't in the initial
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
it was added on Wednesday it wasn't during our...
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I don't think so but okay
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
it was after it was after agenda review, but...
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
but yeah the first time
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I looked at it
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
it wasn't there
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
so okay but anyways
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
just just to kind of
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
just to kind of throw that out there
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and I again
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I think this idea
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
of pulling one little thread
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
out of a fabric
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
is really impossible
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
but maybe done
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I would actually
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
especially if we could pay for
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
out of promotion
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I would think about
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
expanding the scope
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
of this study to look at
you know
kind of overarching
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
impacts on tourism
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and then that way
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
we might come out with a product
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
there we go
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
okay
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
timed entries the factor
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
tariffs by the president
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
or a factor you know
just my opinion
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
we would get more bang
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
for our buck
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
just an idea
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
and I'm not sure
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
what that would look like
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
though but
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
but just the thought
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
that that especially
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
if we can pay for it
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
with TRT
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
maybe we expand the scope
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
of the study
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
so that it would be
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
more valuable
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
to the MTAF
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
to businesses within our community etc
and so on
I think looking
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
at one small tiny factor
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
does it have a huge
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
amount of value
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
just an idea Commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
McCurdy
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
okay
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Mr. Stocks,
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
does this in any way
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
come near that gray area it's hard to say
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I mean the argument is
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that the Arches
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
reservation program
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
is impacting tourism right
that's the argument
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
then doing a study
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
on the Arches reservation system
whether you have it
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
or not have it
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
would the ultimate goal
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
be if it was adverse to the county
and adverse to tourism
and you know
requesting removal of it
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
then that would be
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
promoting tourism
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
if you found out
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that it didn't impact tourism
or impact tourism
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
then you know
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
usually immerse ourselves
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
yeah I guess you could
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
make the argument
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you reimburse yourself
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you can make a caveat like that
but I think that
but you know I mean
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
straight under promotion
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
how does it bring people
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
into the county
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
to study this well
what about
if you study this
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and say that
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
it comes out
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to a negative impact on Grand County
okay that gives you
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the ammunition to say that
that reservation system
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
shouldn't exist
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
and you could promote
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
tourism by
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
advocating for its removal
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
okay but if we I mean
the flip side of the coin
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the flip side
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you might be in a
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
external fund this sure
but again
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
it's I mean
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
the thing that I've spoken
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
to a couple commissioners
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
at different times
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
this is this
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
this particular item
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I don't know how
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
you can't say
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
that this item
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
hasn't been spread far
wide promoted
talked about
through every facet
I don't know
how many newspaper articles
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
how many studies
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
all of it
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
has talked about
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
this item
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
being a massive impact
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
on this community
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
whether for
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
or against promotion
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
for this community
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I mean this has been I don't know
a single topic
that has been
communicated
and talked about
more
promoted
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
or loved
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
or hated more
than this topic
in this community
that's it
yeah I think
this is something
that is supposed
...
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'm going to go
Chair Bill Winfield:
to Commissioner
Chair Bill Winfield:
Hadler and then
Commissioner Martinez
Chair Bill Winfield:
and back
Chair Bill Winfield:
to Commissioner McGahn
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
so in line
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
with what Trish said
I got a call
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
from the Mayor
who said
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
she's reached out
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
to a few of you also
and she said
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
the city would be
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
more than willing
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
to pay for half
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
of the scope of the study
if they expanded
the study
to look at
overall impacts
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
on our tours
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
of numbers over the last
couple of years
you know
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
it might
Commissioner Mary McGann:
the study might cost
a little bit more
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
it might
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
you know I'm just
throwing random
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
numbers out there
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
it might raise the price
to 80,000
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
60,000
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
but if the city
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
picks up 40 of that then
then we're still
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
saving money on that
and she said
that they
would be very
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
supportive of that
(Anne Goodspeed) Pickleball Public Comment:
and want
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and would like to help
(Bruce Dessell) Public Comment:
understand
(Everett Hildenbrandt) Public Comment on No Kings Rally:
overall
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
impacts
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
on tourism from
every angle
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
not not just the park
but including the park
I think
that is a generous
offer
I think it would
be great
to partner
with the city
another
another avenue
that we have
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
to work
USU SBDC Todd Thompson:
with them on something
that affects
(Mike Tony Lee) Pickleball Public Comment:
all of us
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and it could
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
lower the price
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
tag of this
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
and give us a
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
better economic
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
viewpoint of
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
what's going on.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner Martinez Thank you, Bill.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
So, yeah, I don't think that working with the city or working with the NPS or
working with the state is a good idea.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
There's one simple question that we want to have answered and that is what is
the impact that ARCHES reservation system is having on the county.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Mary had the white paper that she wanted to put inside there and one thing
about the white paper that was in there is that data right there only considered
six months of data.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Now we have three years of post implementation that we can actually study and I
think that Kim C Gardner will do a great job.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I looked at the scope and I think that it's spot on.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Second, the white paper, that was done by the RRC and I don't think that that
was a peer reviewed study.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I think that that was just that was just that was just put out by that company
right there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
It's not a it's not a peer reviewed study as Trish was talking about earlier.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
This Kim C Gardner will be a peer reviewed study and I think that it'll be
it'll be what we're looking for.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Now as far as does it fall within the TRT promotion?
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Once again, I think that you're going to be riding that line right there.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
The idea you know and I thought about this too is you know you look at you look
at our media plan that just got presented.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
There's a good portion of that media plan that is for data, data collection,
data services, which informs your advertising.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Will this inform our advertising?
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I think that's the question that we need to ask.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
So will the will the data or will the answer to this question right here inform
our advertising?
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And if we all decide that it is then I think that it would be a valid use of
the TRT promotion.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
But if it's not to inform our advertising then I would disagree with it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, I know Commissioner McGann was next but Mary you've already weighed
in with people in mind.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Let's let Melody go.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
That would be appropriate.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So I do think that if we keep it as just a specific arches reservation system
it fits in that line of being able to use it for promotion.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
If we add in the scope that the city's been wanting then I think it's going to
be straight out of our general fund because it's a bigger scope.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So we can leave it as reservation system which is what we the answer that we're
looking for is yes or no.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
You know, is the reservation system affecting the economy?
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
If so, there's something that we can do about it.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
If not, then all of those other things are going to be the reason why.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And there really nothing we can do about all of those other things.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
You know, but we could.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
The tariffs, the inflation, the recession.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Is there more people coming to Moab?
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Well, ultimately if there's not all people but I know that a lot of times when
I talk about how my customers are down in sales which is dramatic.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Then I get told there's a bigger piece of the pie.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so if there was a bigger piece of the pie and more people still coming then
our tax revenue would not be declining.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And that's the big issue is we have tax revenue declining.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
We have individual businesses revenue declining.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I mean it's June 17th and I have customers that are telling me that they're
$20,000 down in sales this year or last year's June.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
They're laying off people.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
They're letting people go.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
They're not working.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
These are big issues in our community.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so that's really where I come to.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I look at all of this and that's where I go back to the people that I represent
and that's our community and they are hurting and we need to figure out the root
cause.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And so I do think that if we realize that the arches reservation system has been
an impact and we can use TRT funds.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And if we find out that it's opposite and we have to reimburse those TRT funds
from our general fund, I think that could be a caveat of the motion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right, Mary.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Please again and then I'm going away in a little bit.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Stephen, I have some questions for you.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I mean, to me, if it comes back that it isn't impacting our revenue.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Well, then we have that data to help us move forward what, you know, how are we
going to, you know, change the way, you know, maybe we're going to have to do
more tweaking with our advertising.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Maybe we're going to have to figure out some other way but it would take that
off that, you know, so I don't see why we would have to reimburse it but that's
something we could decide off.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Sure, you could revisit the item as well.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
You didn't either make them in the motion to make it a caveat or you could
revisit this after the study's completely concluded.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
I mean, this is like any of the data, data mining that Brian referenced too.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Sometimes you want to know the correlation.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
I guess for my motion, like I said before, you know, we're getting ready to do
a budget amendment and a budget thing really quite soon when we look at
everything and we see where we're at.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Well, if that's the case, you know, I don't see the hurry of this because I
think it should be part of a whole but I'm really concerned if we were there
that story about our finances that we are paying for a want and not a need.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
When we have told our own department heads know the things that they say they
would really make their jobs easier.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
We did that during the budget season, budget time.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
So I'm just not at all comfortable paying for this out of our general fund at
this time.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
And if we wanted to go and look at everything and then put it in the in our
workshop, I'm okay.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
But I'm not okay to say to not use spend the money without it being from the
promotion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
But the motion was made that you will approve this item if it fits into
promotion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay, I'm Brian.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I see your hands up and I'll get to you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Let me weigh in just a little bit and Mary.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'm going to go against you, not just Commissioner Hedin.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So it is you as well.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This is more than a want.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This is a need.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And we're talking about the budget season here and the fact that we're denying
people things.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We're considering pickleball.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We're considering EMS. We're considering all kinds of things.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And the reason that we're in this pickle, no pun intended, is because of the
fact that our revenues are down by nearly $3 million a year.
Chair Bill Winfield:
When you go through this, Grand County is almost in a recession.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This is a need to be able to answer this question and to move forward with it
because you can build a lot of pickleballs, courts, with the money that would be
coming in here.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This is, and again, I say it, this is a no-brainer.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We should all want clarity on this situation so that we can move forward.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And so I'm in favor of the motion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'm in favor of moving this forward.
Chair Bill Winfield:
This reservation system is another item, just like the TRT money that needs to
be put to bed and move on so that we can go on with some other issues within
this county.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And I want to talk real quick a little bit about the idea of expanding and
partnering.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I would not be interested in any way, shape, or form partnering with the state
or the city.
Chair Bill Winfield:
The more people that get their fingers in this, the more diluted the study will
be and then the more useless the study will be.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And so expanding it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
No, it's just a very simple.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Is this affecting our economy?
Chair Bill Winfield:
Because our economy is in a huge negative.
Chair Bill Winfield:
How do we move forward and get out of that?
Chair Bill Winfield:
Is part of that this?
Chair Bill Winfield:
And somebody mentioned, who in a way, I think it was a county attorney with the
reservation system.
Chair Bill Winfield:
That's never been proposed.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We ask that the reservation system just not be made permanent because it still
needs to be.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We are seeing numbers out at Arches where we're at 2015 numbers this year.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Dead Horse Point is doing a great job of competing with Arches now with two
parking lots.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So there's a huge need here and expanding.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I don't know.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We just want a simple answer.
Chair Bill Winfield:
What is this doing to our economy?
Chair Bill Winfield:
And let's move forward with whatever the answer is because I'm willing to
accept that answer.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And I think that that's what we all need to be looking for.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And so Commissioner Martinez and then I think there's some others.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Yeah, thanks.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Go ahead.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Motion and state that I'll move to approve the Kem C Gardener study being paid
out of promotional TRT funds with the caveat that it be reimbursed if the study
comes back that there is no impact.
Chair Bill Winfield:
But basically the same motion is just clarifying the repayment of TRT.
Commissioner Mary McGann:
Well, I think we should let our county attorney have the opportunity to study
it before the other way it's open-ended the other way.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So dealing with the motion there's a couple different flavors.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
You can move the motion to amend the previous motion or you could offer or
substitute motion.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
So the motion was made, right?
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
He made a substitute motion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay, so it's a substitute motion.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Let me just hear that first part of it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay, so it's a substitute motion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
It's the same, but we make sure it's paid for regardless.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I second that.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So motion by Commissioner Martinez seconded by a substitute motion by
Commissioner Martinez seconded by Commissioner McCurdy.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Further discussion?
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I'm still against that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think if it is such a if it is a need and not a want I think a broader study
would be more useful.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
And I think it's still a price tag.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I mean, sure, it'd be great to pay for it at a TRT.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
But again, I don't know how close to the line we are.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
This is such a politically fraught topic.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
But I just I'm going to vote against it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McCurdy and then Commissioner McAnlis.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
I hate that we delay this long just in talking back and forth.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
The study should be done.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
We could be moving on.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McAnlis.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Ron, I just wanted to speak to your what you said, Jacques, about being a
politically motivated thing.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I believe that all of us on this board would want or commission would want our
economy to grow.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I mean, if we don't grow, then we don't have money.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Wait, I'm talking.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
And I'm just curious.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I sometimes wonder where you guys stand on tourism.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I would love to hear if you guys want to kill tourism because that's certainly
what it looks like our community is in right now.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Or if you are for tourism.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I know that Jacques and I have had meetings and coffee and you said I'm
pro-tourism, but when it comes down to the votes, not always does it look like
that.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
So yes, I'm pro-tourism.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Yes, I'm pro quality of life for this community and people being able to
survive here and all of the different aspects, whether it be housing.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
That's some of the, just curious about tourism and where you stand on it.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I think my statement, when I said it was political, I meant the TRT
interpretation.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I didn't mean to be honest.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
Yeah, no, I didn't comment for us well, but that is exactly what I know.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I didn't mean that.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
I didn't mean to spend the TRT motion.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner Hadeem.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I'm not going to vote for this and it has nothing to do with whether I support
tourism or not.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It has to do with, I don't think this study is going to tell us enough.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Again, I think if we expanded it, we work with the city, we say, oh, is it the
quality of our public lands?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Is it, you know, then we'd have more value and we have spent almost 1.2 million
dollars over 2025 budget.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I've never, I've been on this commission now this is the fifth year.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We've never been in this position before.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So to me, it's like somebody standing on my chest.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We just keep spending money and it's at a certain point.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We've got to stop, pull on the reins, evaluate where we're at again, to wait
this out for a month or two and to go, let's evaluate where we're at fiscally
then make some moves.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We got to stop spending money at a certain point.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's out of budget.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We have to.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner Martinez, and then I'm going to call for a vote on this one.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
Perfect.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I just thought that there's two things that we really need to be doing.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
One of them, yes, is we need to start tightening our belt and watch that bottom
line.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
But the other thing that we need to do is we need to start grilling that top
line.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
And Arches is our number one attraction.
Commissioner Brian Martinez:
I think that, I think we really need to look into this.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I will call for a vote on the substitute motion by Commissioner Martinez,
seconded by Commissioner McCurdy to pay for the Kem C. Gardner study and
reimburse with general funds if it proves that it does not meet the criteria or
TRT.
Chair Bill Winfield:
So those in favor of this motion substitute motion by Commissioner Martinez.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Aye.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Those opposed.
Chair Bill Winfield:
The motion passes with Commissioner Hadeen, Commissioner Hadler, and
Commissioner McGann against.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And we will move on to a discussion item establishing procedure for
reassignment of county liaison midterm.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I just want to make this really quick.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And, you know, I think we've had a long discussion over this.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I don't want to get into it too much other than the fact that the bylaws that
were in the last packet were wrong.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So there were some, I put in the new bylaws and that being said, my
interpretation of these bylaws is that the local advisory board shall nominate
those new members.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
So, and when you look at that, it says that it would be those first five
positions, which is the director.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Excuse me.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Really quick.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I have my notes, but it would be the director or so the first five, the local
director designee, the county attorney or designee, a representative of the AG's
office, at least one official from law enforcement.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And then the fifth is the county executive, which I assume, Steven, that is the
commissioner.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
It'd be the commissioner or the designee.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And so, you know, my overall point to throwing this on here is I just feel like
if we're going to do things that, in my opinion, are fairly aggressive, I think
we need to have our ducks in a row.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We needed to have the right bylaws and we needed to make sure that we were
following those bylaws and we weren't.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I don't want to change it.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I think that we're all good where it sits now that Bill is taking that
position.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I will note that that meeting where the chair and the vice chair were
appointed, the vice chair actually wasn't at that meeting.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
When you look at them, I did attach those minutes also.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
She was notified before the October meeting.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And so I appreciate all that.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I don't think anybody's debating any of that.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Again, I just want to make sure that we do things appropriately.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We're using the right bylaws and we're keeping our ducks in a row.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And then my final statement is I also feel like these kind of actions are just
a waste of our time.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's a waste of my time.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It was a waste of your time.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It was a waste of turning to time.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's just like, it's a waste of time.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We surely have better things to do.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And where I would like to see this commission eventually go is having kind of
an overall, maybe it's a, we spend a few days together and we go, where do we
go?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
What do we believe in?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
What do we want to see in this county?
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
We get some overall visioning and we start moving in a direction.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
I feel like right now we're just like spinning our wheels, to be honest.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And we're trying to clean some stuff up and I think that's all great.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
But this to me is a waste of time.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
The last item.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And again, the reason I brought it up is we did not have the appropriate
documents in the last packet.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
And I think that, again, if we're going to do things, we need to have our ducks
in a row.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
That's it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McCandless and then Commissioner McCurdy.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
I just went into motion to table this item since it should be a procedure that
a policy and procedures that a committee works through.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Oh yeah, it's not, I just wanted, it wasn't really a like, I didn't really want
to develop.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
That's all I wanted to say.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
But if you guys want to come up with a policy and procedure.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
Hello, motion by Commissioner and let's the table this.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It's just a discussion item.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It doesn't, it's not an action item.
Commissioner Trish Hedin:
It will be discussions.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
But if the discussions ended, then.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Commissioner McCurdy.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
Oh, to to a motion.
Commissioner Mike McCurdy:
And there cannot be a discussion?
Chair Bill Winfield:
No discussion on table questions.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Oh, table it.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'll talk to you later.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We will table for this.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And now I call for a vote.
Chair Bill Winfield:
We are calling for a vote on.
County Attorney Stephen Stocks:
Whenever you've got a motion to table and you need to vote on the motion to
table.
Chair Bill Winfield:
And why do we do we have a second on that?
Chair Bill Winfield:
If you saw my say second, Mike did say it so well.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay, so a vote to table this items.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I'll call for a vote.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Those in favor.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Those opposed.
Commissioner Jacques Hadler:
You know what, I'm abstaining.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay, so the motion passes.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Okay.
Chair Bill Winfield:
One abstaining and two opposed commissioner had been in commission again with
Commissioner Hadler abstaining.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
Commissioner McCandless.
Vice Chair Melodie McCandless:
Now make a motion to go into closed session for pending or reasonable imminent
litigation and character professional competence or physical or mental health
eliminated.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I get you.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I got both.
Chair Bill Winfield:
I use that.
Chair Bill Winfield:
All right.
Chair Bill Winfield:
He said that I was.
Chair Bill Winfield:
In favor of pulling into closed session.
Indistinct:
Do not say it again.
Indistinct:
Even.
Grand County Commission Meeting at a Glance
Presentation: USU Small Business Development Center
Todd Thompson reported that the SBDC supported over 30 local clients over the past six months with startup support, grant writing, and one-on-one business advising. He emphasized the importance of in-person services and language accessibility, and noted the potential benefit of rural capital access programs in southeastern Utah.
Timestamp: 00:00:24–00:24:24
Citizens to Be Heard #1
Comments covered a range of issues, including support for the Red Rok Rally, proposals for a dedicated pickleball facility, and strong opposition to the governance and transparency of the newly formed Echo Canyon municipality.
Timestamp: 00:31:45–01:02:12
Department Reports: Active Trails and Transportation
Madeline Logowitz discussed progress on trail maintenance and planning, improvements to bike lane safety, and continued efforts to support safe routes to schools. She also noted work on ADA-accessible infrastructure and highlighted upcoming projects supporting micromobility and pedestrian connectivity.
Timestamp: 01:04:25–01:31:13
General Commission Reports and Future Considerations
Commissioners reported on state-level meetings about infrastructure and water conservation, recent housing development tours, and audit findings regarding component units. Several commissioners expressed concern about budgeting and future planning processes.
Timestamp: 01:33:38–01:58:44
Treasurer, Clerk and Administrator Reports
Administrator Mark Tyner announced the appointment of a new airport director and a new county engineer.
Timestamp: 02:03:00–02:29:00
Citizens to Be Heard #2
Comments included criticism of HB 456 and recent decisions by the Moab Area Travel Council, opposition to the No Kings Rally, and reflections on housing and public land use.
Timestamp: 02:44:48–02:54:17
Public Hearing: Land Use Code Amendments – Article 4.7 High Density Housing Overlay District
Acting Planning Director Cristin Hofhine presented revisions to the HDHO ordinance. Public comments raised concerns about whether the changes would increase development or dilute the ordinance’s original goals. No vote was taken.
Timestamp: 02:54:52–03:27:16
Action Items
Approval of Consent Agenda
Vote: Passed unanimously
Timestamp: 03:27:08–03:30:32
FY26 Invasive Species Mitigation Grant Award Contract – Utah Department of Agriculture and FoodFY26 Invasive Species Mitigation Grant Award Contract – Utah Department of Agriculture and Food
The commission accepted a $66,700 grant award from the Utah Department of Agriculture and Food to support ongoing noxious weed management and invasive species mitigation efforts.
Vote: Passed unanimously
Timestamp: 03:30:32–03:32:54
Community Wildfire Defense Grant Cooperative Agreement
The commission approved a five-year cooperative agreement with Rim to Rim Restoration to fund a fire fuels mitigation specialist and expand wildfire prevention work.
Vote: Passed unanimously
Timestamp: 03:32:54–03:34:54
Bid Award for Courthouse HVAC Replacement
The HVAC replacement project at the Grand County Courthouse was awarded to CCI Mechanical.
Vote: Passed unanimously
Timestamp: 03:34:54–03:37:20
Shums Coda Associates – On-Call Building Inspections
The commission authorized a contract with Shums Coda Associates to provide on-call building inspections, as retirement of the county’s longtime building inspector and departure of another staff member has led to holes in services.
Vote: Passed unanimously
Timestamp: 03:37:20–03:43:02
Approval of 2025 Certified Tax Rates
As part of statutory annual requirements, the commission certified Grand County’s tax rates for 2025.
Vote: Passed unanimously
Timestamp: 03:43:03–03:46:14
Adoption of Grand County Privacy Policy
The commission formally adopted a privacy policy in compliance with state law, outlining procedures for protecting sensitive data within county systems.
Vote: Passed unanimously
Timestamp: 03:46:15–03:47:10
Designation of Privacy Policy Chief Administrative Officer
IT Director Matt Ceniceros was appointed as the county’s designated privacy officer under Utah House Bill 444.
Vote: Passed unanimously
Timestamp: 03:47:10–03:50:04
Amending the Moab Tourism Advisory Board Bylaws – Voting Members
The Moab Tourism Advisory Board recommended replacing the seat held by the Moab Area Chamber of Commerce with a state-required seat for the City of Moab. An approved substitute motion from Commissioner Jacques Hadler instead kept both seats and added a ninth seat for a cultural tourism entity to prevent an evenly split board.
Vote: Substitute motion passed 4–3, with Commissioners Martinez, McCurdy, and Winfield opposed.
Timestamp: 03:50:20–04:13:51
Appoint Board Member to Echo Canyon Preliminary Municipality
The commission appointed Melodie McCandless as liaison to represent Grand County in Echo Canyon’s early governance process, as the controversial Kane Creek development was approved by the state as a preliminary municipality. Commissioners emphasized the need for oversight and transparency, given recent public concerns about the new town’s legitimacy and purpose.
Vote: Passed unanimously.
Timestamp: 04:14:17–04:17:07
Determine a Metric for TRT Rec Film and Convention Expenditures
The commission had a split vote on new rules requiring departments to justify how recreation, film, and convention spending promotes tourism under state law. The policy directs unspent TRT funds to be returned and asks for past expenses to be reimbursed if non-compliant. Critics called the move unfair to the Active Trails and Transportation Department and called the process rushed.
Vote: Passed 4–3, with Commissioners Hadler, Hedin, and McGann opposed
Timestamp: 04:17:14–04:41:15
Approve Scope of Work and Engagement of Kem C. Gardner Institute for Arches Timed Entry Impact Study
The commission approved funding an economic impact study of Arches National Park’s timed entry system. While McGann said she wouldn’t support the study being paid for by the general fund, Commissioner Martinez, who has frequently emphasized strict legal compliance around tourism tax spending, introduced a funding mechanism for the Arches study that relies on post hoc reimbursement from TRT funds—an approach the county attorney warned may not align with state law. The substitute motion by Commissioner Martinez directed the cost to be covered by the general fund, with reimbursement from TRT funds only if the study showed a measurable impact on tourism.
Passed 4–3, with Commissioners Hedin, Hadler, and McGann opposed.
Timestamp: 04:41:20–05:05:21
Reassignment of County Liaisons Mid-Term – Policy Discussion
Commissioner Hedin expressed exasperation at how reassignments of commissioner liaison roles have been handled after recent changes on boards. The discussion item was swiftly shut down; the commission voted to table the item after McCandless noted it should be worked on by a policy and procedures committee.
Vote: Motion to table passed with Commissioners McGann and Hedin in opposition, Commissioner Hadler abstaining.
Timestamp: 05:05:32–05:10:15
Closed Session – Litigation & Personnel
Vote: Entered by unanimous vote
Timestamp: 05:10:15–End
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